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Jan 26, 2018 13:20:52 GMT
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Whilst we're on Rovers, the Turbo T Series powered Tomcat Coupe is pretty smart, whilst the Rover 200 BRM is a stellar 'hot hatch'. I've been looking at P6's quite a but recently, and have come to the conclusion that the BRM 200's colour scheme would look pretty smart on the Group 2 Touring Car.
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Jan 26, 2018 15:07:17 GMT
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The 200 BRM can be made to look pretty lairy...
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vulgalour
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Jan 27, 2018 13:22:54 GMT
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Hey, rattlecan, you have the honour of being the only person I've ever met who considers the SD1 dull and boring. 200/400 series cars can be dull if you drive them that way, that's the whole point. The range started with the small engine 1.4 manual, which is ever so slightly underpowered for the weight of the car which hampers acceleration but can still entertain. The 1.6 engined cars are the best balance for a daily and the automatics are no slouch. Then there's the 2.0 cars, usually with turbos, which are very quick indeed and quite sneaky since they don't shout about their performance credentials. Finally you've got the diesel engined versions, usually in the estates, which are dependable high mile munchers and will happily do their thing keeping you comfortable for decades and hundreds of thousands of miles. I'm not even getting into the cabriolets and coupés here, or the oft forgotten Tomcats. 600 series has less variety and is much more Honda. I'll admit they are a bit more generic and bland and not exactly going to set your pants on fire BUT the potential is there if you want to do all the performance Honda things and hide it under an unassuming Rover blanket. They really deserve more recognition than they get. 800 series is essentially the SD1 replacement and, in many ways, they don't measure up. They are a big comfortable barge and should be regarded as such. Comfort is not dull and boring and the 800s also come in a variety of flavours including silly Rover sporting spec. Very rare beasts now because of common 1990s car problems and lack of maintenance, but far from being dull or boring if you pick the right model. SD1 I have nothing further to add. I'm still astonished anyone could consider them dull or boring. They were an amazing thing when new and an amazing thing now, there's really nothing else quite like them.
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Jan 27, 2018 14:14:36 GMT
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What ‘cracking cars’ are they? case for the defence m'lud.....
after a poor start , they got the sd1 right , eventually!
the original 200 was (imo) a far better drive and generally nicer place to be than the equivalent escorts and astras of the time.
ok , another slightly dull but none the less very capable set of comfy wheels.... the 600.
no explanation needed here if you have ever driven one..!!! if you haven't... you have really missed out.
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Jan 28, 2018 21:39:29 GMT
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205 XS. Always overshadowed by the GTIs, but that close ratio box and rev happy, twin choke, aluminium TU3S engine......
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Jan 28, 2018 22:59:59 GMT
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Maybe not underrated and misunderstood exactly, but certainly not as highly rated as they deserve to be in my opinion as I never, ever hear anyone mention them... The Citroen BX GTI 16v I borrowed one of these for a week once when my car was off the road. It seriously went like stink compared to anything else I'd been in at the time. and while I'm stretching the rules of the thread a little, I'm going to throw in a Renault Fuego Turbo too because that was stunning visually at the time and the turbo was decent enough to raise a manic laugh.
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Jan 28, 2018 23:44:48 GMT
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Best all round car I have had so far: Most reliable and most comfortable. Also very frugal in diesel form for the size of the car. Service items were cheap too, replaced full set of discs and pads for about £80. Only downside,diesel engine (BMW) a bit unrefined for the posh rest of the car. Due to requiring a load lugger it was sold to fund this: Admittedly with the P38 you do really need to be handy with the spanners but only because you will find yourself undoing peoples previous acts of bodgery that is generally covering up the results of neglect. But whilst it's an easy target it keeps prices low for folk like me to take advantage of. 75, by far the most underrated bargain of the century. On the contrary, compared to other Diesel engines the BMW M47 is very refined and with a decat and stainless back box very un-un-dieselly
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Jan 29, 2018 17:53:12 GMT
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Hey, rattlecan, you have the honour of being the only person I've ever met who considers the SD1 dull and boring. 200/400 series cars can be dull if you drive them that way, that's the whole point. The range started with the small engine 1.4 manual, which is ever so slightly underpowered for the weight of the car which hampers acceleration but can still entertain. The 1.6 engined cars are the best balance for a daily and the automatics are no slouch. Then there's the 2.0 cars, usually with turbos, which are very quick indeed and quite sneaky since they don't shout about their performance credentials. Finally you've got the diesel engined versions, usually in the estates, which are dependable high mile munchers and will happily do their thing keeping you comfortable for decades and hundreds of thousands of miles. I'm not even getting into the cabriolets and coupés here, or the oft forgotten Tomcats. 600 series has less variety and is much more Honda. I'll admit they are a bit more generic and bland and not exactly going to set your pants on fire BUT the potential is there if you want to do all the performance Honda things and hide it under an unassuming Rover blanket. They really deserve more recognition than they get. 800 series is essentially the SD1 replacement and, in many ways, they don't measure up. They are a big comfortable barge and should be regarded as such. Comfort is not dull and boring and the 800s also come in a variety of flavours including silly Rover sporting spec. Very rare beasts now because of common 1990s car problems and lack of maintenance, but far from being dull or boring if you pick the right model. SD1 I have nothing further to add. I'm still astonished anyone could consider them dull or boring. They were an amazing thing when new and an amazing thing now, there's really nothing else quite like them. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, it just happens that in this instance you are wrong 😉
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vulgalour
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Jan 29, 2018 18:06:27 GMT
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We shall have to agree to disagree then. I love me some Rovers.
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Jan 30, 2018 11:41:08 GMT
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Vauxhall Frontera! Had a Series A leafer in the past and it was 100% reliable and as capable off road as you ever need with good AT tyres on it for a fraction of the cost of even a rotten Disco. Here is my current B series. It’s done 2100 miles over the last 5 days (cruise control stalks sitting on my desk awaiting fitment :roll) averaged 30 mpg despite ringing its neck at 85-90 most of the way back to catch my train on Sunday. This was taken in Lenk I'm Simmental in Switzerland on Saturday. You can just make out the bed platform in the back! Best of all it cost me £700!
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Smiler
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I no longer own anything FWD! Or with less than 6 cylinders, or 2.5ltrs! :)
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Jan 30, 2018 12:33:37 GMT
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Decent tyres make a world of difference on anything. At £700 and 30mpg what's not to like?
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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Jan 30, 2018 13:05:26 GMT
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Turbo especially. But most of the misunderstanding comes from the UK press.
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Last Edit: Jan 30, 2018 13:05:58 GMT by OUTRUN
I need your help to get back to the year 1985.
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Jan 30, 2018 13:07:12 GMT
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I've always loved Fronteras. Good shout!
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Jan 30, 2018 15:19:30 GMT
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I've had a BX TZD Turbo too. That was an amazing car - in fact its probably the one I regret selling most but I needed an estate. The replacement Subaru Legacy 2.2 estate was a great car too - apart from the rocker covers constantly leaking onto the exhaust manifolds!! I now know it was probably a blocked breather but I was young and stupid then!
Isuzu engined Corsa C diesel is the most underated car ever. I've mentioned on here before that I did 120,000 miles in one without even an oil change (a bet that got OOH!) and I drove that thing hard. In the end rust and play in the eps column sent it to the scrap heap in the sky. I had a very frilly £120 Vauxhall Nova in the same silver outside red inside combination it had been old lady owned before I got it and over the first three months of ownership its top speed increased from 74 to 90mph every new attempt sent molten lumps of glowing coke out of the pea shooter exhaust - it was the most effective way I have found of detaching rep driven BMW and Audis from my rear bumper!
£100 Citroen AX that did 19,000 miles in 4 months was great too although somewhat scary when it pole vaulted its own exhaust which snapped at the manifold join.
Funny all my favourite cars cost the least, i've had some relatively expensive moderns but after three months totally fed up of them.
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MiataMark
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well I've been beaten to it for most of my choices, Maxi, BX (had a 16v for 3 years great car) and Frontera (had a SWB one for towing a horse box). How about Aston Martin DB7, all the it's just a rebodied XJS rubbish that gets bandied about. Was taken for a ride in one, a V12 vantage, and the noise, braking was phenomenal. Oh and seems to be a lot of love for the Maxi, my dad had 2 very versatile. Parcel shelf was a bit flimsy weight of dog bent it.
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vitessetony
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Jan 31, 2018 17:21:51 GMT
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Without exception boring, boring, boring, dull, dull, dull, I’d rather have toothache This comment perfectly validates the thread title I'd say
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Jan 31, 2018 17:24:12 GMT
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Without exception boring, boring, boring, dull, dull, dull, I’d rather have toothache This comment perfectly validates the thread title I'd say Oh the irony 😉
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Jan 31, 2018 22:48:12 GMT
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damn, i forgot the frontera wodge ! i had a B series 2.2 which cost me 750. technically superior in most ways and better equipped (like for like) than the car it was aimed at (discovery ) and vastly cheaper. being re-badged J-tin did not seem to counter the badge snobbery though.
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Last Edit: Jan 31, 2018 22:52:17 GMT by darrenh
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Fossilfish
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Thank fossils for fuel!
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well I've been beaten to it for most of my choices, Maxi, BX (had a 16v for 3 years great car) and Frontera (had a SWB one for towing a horse box). How about Aston Martin DB7, all the it's just a rebodied XJS rubbish that gets bandied about. Was taken for a ride in one, a V12 vantage, and the noise, braking was phenomenal. Oh and seems to be a lot of love for the Maxi, my dad had 2 very versatile. Parcel shelf was a bit flimsy weight of dog bent it. In a way mark you have a part of a Aston on your drive For me I always liked the ford probe and thought it was cool, I think it was a lady designer and a modern take of a Capri
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Thank fossils for fuel!
1996 Jeep XJ Sport 2.5 Manual 1975 Scimitar 3.0 V6
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Fossilfish
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Thank fossils for fuel!
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Just googled it, The ford probe was designed by Mimi Vandermolan and she also designed this: Front engine, RWD, forge alloys, bremos and BOSE sound system and is a good buy at sub 5k, much better than a 996 IMHO
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Thank fossils for fuel!
1996 Jeep XJ Sport 2.5 Manual 1975 Scimitar 3.0 V6
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