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Jan 15, 2018 10:07:20 GMT
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adam73bgt
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Jan 15, 2018 10:11:21 GMT
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kabman
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Jan 15, 2018 13:05:04 GMT
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As well as another thread a couple of days before that.
You'll be telling us about great deals on k!tch3en$ next.
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Last Edit: Jan 15, 2018 13:06:51 GMT by kabman
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Darkspeed
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Jan 15, 2018 13:51:24 GMT
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Thing is that in period as soon as they left the showrooms everyone dumped the 175-70s and fitted 205-60's - I guess having 175/70's for your trailer queens is all well and good but we tend to drive them round here and anything getting driven will be on 195/50 15's or similar to clear the big vents and 4 pots
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Jan 15, 2018 16:16:26 GMT
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Hmm
Not sure about that.
Anyway - fact - they handle better on a 175/70VR13 CN36 than they do on a 205/60R13! fact!
I know you are going to kick off about this, but it is just true. if it wasn't Ford would have fitted 205/60R13.
Also a CN36 has a more suitable carcass for a Mexico, so that will also help keep the handling progressive, where a more modern tyre carcass will let go more suddenly.
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Jan 15, 2018 17:01:55 GMT
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fact - they handle better on a 175/70VR13 CN36 than they do on a 205/60R13! fact! ok, I know nothing about tyre design, so please educate me. Where is the proof that this, or anything else you said in the last post is true?
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Darkspeed
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Jan 15, 2018 17:50:00 GMT
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Ford fitted what they got the best deal with at the time - tyres are sold to manufacturers at less than cost to secure the aftermarket and production cars are built to a price point not with what was the best available. Likelyhood is that Pirelli gave Ford the tyres.
From a braking and handling point of view I will stick with modern patterns and compounds and trim the car to work with them rather than go back to the progressive handling characteristics and tyre tech of the 1970's but thats just me. £500 buys some seriously rubber these days.
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b3nson
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Jan 15, 2018 18:55:35 GMT
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My Dolly Sprint drive so much better on lower profile and wider Yokohamas than on the ‘correct’ Pirellis. Burnouts were much better with the Pirellis though!
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Seth
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Jan 15, 2018 19:36:54 GMT
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Personally if I had the cash I'd be straight up to Longstone to get some really good looking period tyres. So many cars seem to end up on too-small (sidewall) modern tyres and old Fords are greatly susceptible.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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adam73bgt
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Jan 15, 2018 21:04:00 GMT
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As Seth says, I can certainly see a market for concours cars wanting that original look, though it wouldn't be for me personally But for OP, just a hint that it might be better to comment on your original thread rather than making another one for the same thing Also pics!!
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Jan 16, 2018 16:16:17 GMT
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Proof! Ford didn't just buy the cheapest tyres they could get for their Mexico and RS Cars, that is rubbish! Why would they be buying Pirelli's instead of some budget brand. like Porsche and some of the other manufacturers at the time they wanted the best handling tyres so they fitted CN36. the other best option at the time was Michelin's XWX or XDX. maybe what they fitted on their more proletariate cars budget might have been an issue, but the Mexico and RS cars had the best. hence the CN36
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Jan 16, 2018 17:07:08 GMT
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Proof! Ford didn't just buy the cheapest tyres they could get for their Mexico and RS Cars, that is rubbish! Why would they be buying Pirelli's instead of some budget brand. like Porsche and some of the other manufacturers at the time they wanted the best handling tyres so they fitted CN36. the other best option at the time was Michelin's XWX or XDX. maybe what they fitted on their more proletariate cars budget might have been an issue, but the Mexico and RS cars had the best. hence the CN36 Well that’s conclusive proof then, obviously. A couple of scribbled pictures that could have been done by a 5 year old seals it!!
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Jan 16, 2018 17:23:46 GMT
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Classic tyre on classic car picture shows where the inner wing has rotted and the strut has come away from the inner wing
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philsford
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Jan 16, 2018 18:15:48 GMT
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You would be best to post a link on rallysport forum where all the old school escort owners hang out.
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Jan 16, 2018 20:36:07 GMT
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Many of you appear to be quite dismissive of Dougal's postings, fact is that the guy has the guts to go out into the market, make an investment and stock a previously unavailable tyre that was fitted in period to what now is quite a collectable car - it's not just this tyre either - Dougal has spent many years convincing tyre manufactures to reintroduce / remake previously unavailable tyres for veteran, vintage and classic cars and I can assure you when it comes to tyres for older vehicles he knows tyres like nobody else knows tyres. I have no connection with Dougal's business 'Longstone Tyres' but on every occasion I have used him - his knowledge, understanding & service have always been excellent and I can thoroughly recommend him - it's all too easy to mock someone from behind your keyboard but just bear in mind that without guys like Dougal we could all be paddleless up the creek when we cant get the right tyres to fit the retro / classic cars that we own. Ah - Nearly forgot - you will all be wanting a picture to go with it 1952 Jowett Javelin (on 16" crossplys has supplied by Dougal - try obtaining them at your local fast fit tyre centre)
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2018 22:32:27 GMT by Deleted
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Jan 16, 2018 20:36:45 GMT
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Dolomite Sprint had Dunlop as OE.
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Jan 16, 2018 21:16:19 GMT
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Well dougal007 being a bit slow on the uptake I don't really know what you are showing me in your pictures, so just what the heck are you trying to say fella? Why is my car that was built in the seveties no good on modern tyres? To my eyes it looks ok, and for my driving style its pretty good too!
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Darkspeed
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Jan 16, 2018 21:35:38 GMT
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Proof! Ford didn't just buy the cheapest tyres they could get for their Mexico and RS Cars, that is rubbish! Why would they be buying Pirelli's instead of some budget brand. like Porsche and some of the other manufacturers at the time they wanted the best handling tyres so they fitted CN36. the other best option at the time was Michelin's XWX or XDX. maybe what they fitted on their more proletariate cars budget might have been an issue, but the Mexico and RS cars had the best. hence the CN36 Sorry but the camber in roll is a bit off - Manufacturers always fit the best, damn the expense, they would never lie, cheat or steal to get an advantage over the competetion, and definitely would never ever put lives, public health or the environment at risk for any sort of reward. Stating that they would make a selection based on price was just silly of me I stand corrected. However, no-where was it stated that Ford just bought the cheapest - What was stated is quite clearly written above and it fairly easy to read and understand. I don't sell tyres I have no axe to grind but come on - FACTS, silly sketches and twisting statements - get a grip - Yeah the pun was intentional
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ivangt6
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Jan 16, 2018 22:12:33 GMT
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Would love a set of those tyres for my GT6 when its finished. I'm not sure why but they just have a nice shape to them, maybe they have a softer sidewall? I think I'll have a set of these on the dolomite sprint alloys I have and something else on some staggered banded steels. Maybe some Avons like this. In fact, they should be in the sidewall thread
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Jan 16, 2018 22:14:57 GMT
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The guy can't win - you moaned that you wanted pics - he gave you some - well a drawing then and you don't like it because he used his sense of humour to get his message through much like some of you have used your humour in your posts in reference to the subject matter. If you want to stick modern tyres on your retro well that's of your choice - but the guy is a very helpful good guy and one day you might just need his help when the tyre that you need to keep your car on the road went out of production 20 years ago.
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2018 22:56:30 GMT by Deleted
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