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Dennis was creating a modern NASCAR based truck using 66 C10 panels. He needed a pair of bedsides to cut and move the wheel arches forward on. Bought a pair of top end restored bedsides for $200.00 from a guy who also had a restored C10 for sale on Craigslist. Got them home and started to cut so he could reallign them. What he found...... Ultimately he bought new repro panels to get this result.
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Got involved years ago with blowing over a KE30 corolla, fairly straight car, for neighbors son. Neighbor was a builder- offered to give me a hand, bonnet needed sanded so....... gets out the big BELT sander & warped a near perfect bonnet! Politely asked to leave me to it.
Will admit to doing cowboy job on a Subaru ute long time ago, waste of a gallon each of bog & paint, but cousin wanted to make his 'road legal' paddock basher look a bit less than cop bait! A fair bit of time was spent fishing just to have a break from bogging & sanding. Actually looked good when finished, even close up. Sold it later to a cockie down road the wanting a farm hack when he went on his O.E. to ye olde England
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MonzaPhil
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I see a constant flow of Mustangs for a dealer near my work. They've mostly had "American Restos " which include a couple of inches of plop all over and a lot of paint, an interior kit and a few fresh bits of chrome. Normally they are rotten for the lower 12 inches so they get a very cheap patchwork job then a £25k price tag.
Nice.
Don't even start me on the Land Rovers I see....
Sent from my sofa (for a change ) using proboards
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This is now a clicky linky!
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Another spruce up job...... with 'helpers'& no they weren't pretending, they wanted to sand it properly like dad (1200 wet & dry let them sand til their hearts content) Pretty much everything i've done so far is tidying up and/or full repaints, now i've got avenger to strip, patch, strengthen, seam weld & paint & an escort that i don't want to touch...... but coz of short cuts done by previous painter theres rust issues need dealing to soon & the more i look the more things i've found that bug me, reluctantly leaning towards a full make over inside & out
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Dez
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I see a constant flow of Mustangs for a dealer near my work. They've mostly had "American Restos " which include a couple of inches of plop all over and a lot of paint, an interior kit and a few fresh bits of chrome. Normally they are rotten for the lower 12 inches so they get a very cheap patchwork job then a £25k price tag. Nice. Don't even start me on the Land Rovers I see.... Sent from my sofa (for a change ) using proboards Youve no doubt seen the, ahem, calibre of American metal I buy. It's cos I learned a long time ago the only way you're not gunna get stiffed buying yank tin over here is buy the stuff that's been dragged out a hedge/ditch/riverbed and looks like it, and make sure you pay as close to f-k all as possible for it. You don't feel quite so bad when you KNOW it's a rusty bashed up heap of junk that you've not paid much for, rather than finding out its still a rusty bashed up heap of junk that you paid far too much for when you've dug all the filler and paint out of it that some 'restorer' has skilfully crafted to look like decent metal.
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Last Edit: Jan 6, 2018 22:31:06 GMT by Dez
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And the South African Escorts - ropey engines and interiors but odd new plasticy paint . Easily sell for 7-10k what is really a 2.5 k car .
Dez has is right , if i wanted a Mustang i would get one sent over for 7k and spend 7k on parts and get it done or do it myself .
As well as that i am naturally suspicious and would be so of a business that turns up freshly restored cars one after another. Especially knowing about the odd US way of covering the whole car in 10mm of cack before paint .
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ivangt6
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That GT6 of mine has been an eye opener for bodgery. Big hole cut in the roof, covered up with pop riveted on mesh covered in filler. Chopped up aircraft light alloy rivets used in place of steel pins in door lock mechanisms. Welding poor enough to pull panels off by hand. Panels welded over rust. Grinding rash in all the glass. Incorrect dampers fitted, meaning they where bottomed out at normal ride height etc etc etc
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Wilk
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Always wondered why they put so much time and effort into bodging panels when surely it's easier to do it right in the first place When I was looking for someone to do the tin work on my car I got several names recommended. I contacted each in turn. Some couldn't even be bothered to return a phone call and most of the others were discounted as soon as they mentioned the word 'filler'.... I kid you not!
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If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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I see a constant flow of Mustangs for a dealer near my work. They've mostly had "American Restos " which include a couple of inches of plop all over and a lot of paint, an interior kit and a few fresh bits of chrome. Normally they are rotten for the lower 12 inches so they get a very cheap patchwork job then a £25k price tag. Nice. Don't even start me on the Land Rovers I see.... Sent from my sofa (for a change ) using proboards Youve no doubt seen the, ahem, calibre of American metal I buy. It's cos I learned a long time ago the only way you're not gunna get stiffed buying yank tin over here is buy the stuff that's been dragged out a hedge/ditch/riverbed and looks like it, and make sure you pay as close to f-k all as possible for it. You don't feel quite so bad when you KNOW it's a rusty bashed up heap of junk that you've not paid much for, rather than finding out its still a rusty bashed up heap of junk that you paid far too much for when you've dug all the filler and paint out of it that some 'restorer' has skilfully crafted to look like decent metal. They are only 'Restorers' in one true sense of the word - they restore the wad of cash to their wallet - the rest of the time they are nothing but 'BODGERS'
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Another spruce up job...... with 'helpers'& no they weren't pretending, they wanted to sand it properly like dad (1200 wet & dry let them sand til their hearts content) Pretty much everything i've done so far is tidying up and/or full repaints, now i've got avenger to strip, patch, strengthen, seam weld & paint & an escort that i don't want to touch...... but coz of short cuts done by previous painter theres rust issues need dealing to soon & the more i look the more things i've found that bug me, reluctantly leaning towards a full make over inside & out Am I correct in thinking that is a very old picture?
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Another spruce up job...... with 'helpers'& no they weren't pretending, they wanted to sand it properly like dad (1200 wet & dry let them sand til their hearts content) Pretty much everything i've done so far is tidying up and/or full repaints, now i've got avenger to strip, patch, strengthen, seam weld & paint & an escort that i don't want to touch...... but coz of short cuts done by previous painter theres rust issues need dealing to soon & the more i look the more things i've found that bug me, reluctantly leaning towards a full make over inside & out Am I correct in thinking that is a very old picture? Only @ 18 years ago. Funny thing is the 1 with her hand in the bucket was painting the refurbished escort head today & gunna help chuck it on tomorrow. She's been getting keen about driving a spraygun in last couple of years too
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düdo
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My first experience of creative repairs was an old Walls Ice-Cream sign integrated into the rear wing of a Ford Consul. Probably worth a bit that sign now?
Obviously if you're offering your services as professional restorers that's not on but I would argue that lash-up jobs have kept cars on the road sometimes til they find the proper attention. I don't mean filler over mesh but quick plating for MoT is often a necessity but perhaps in the eyes of the restorer later on will constitute a bodge?
I know a good mechanic who has had a customer's Escort XR3i sat in his yard for over two years needing welding. He charges €60/hour and is backed up with work so he hasn't touched the XR3i, always hoping for a quiet moment which never comes. Meanwhile the Escort has deteriorated considerably as the owner has nowhere else to store it. When I looked at it first a couple of years back it could have been 'lashed-up' for TÜV but not now. I see that as a stitch ( bodge?) in time scenario
I'm not a restorer but I've often been working with time/money limitations to get an old and probably worthless car through its MoT/TÃœV so I've cut corners.
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Last Edit: Jan 7, 2018 11:06:12 GMT by düdo
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My first experience of creative repairs was an old Walls Ice-Cream sign integrated into the rear wing of a Ford Consul. Probably worth a bit that sign now? Obviously if you're offering your services as professional restorers that's not on but I would argue that lash-up jobs have kept cars on the road sometimes til they find the proper attention. I don't mean filler over mesh but quick plating for MoT is often a necessity but perhaps in the eyes of the restorer later on will constitute a bodge? I know a good mechanic who has had a customer's Escort XR3i sat in his yard for over two years needing welding. He charges €60/hour and is backed up with work so he hasn't touched the XR3i, always hoping for a quiet moment which never comes. Meanwhile the Escort has deteriorated considerably as the owner has nowhere else to store it. When I looked at it first a couple of years back it could have been 'lashed-up' for TÜV but not now. I see that as a stitch ( bodge?) in time scenario I'm not a restorer but I've often been working with time/money limitations to get an old and probably worthless car through its MoT/TÜV so I've cut corners. No offence intended but from a professional restorers point of view 'WE HATE YOU' - regardless of all circumstances all restorers hate any type of bodge - that said we depend on bodgers too has eventually a percentage of these bodged vehicles end up with a owner who wants the job done correctly and the car right or on the other hand said owner ends up with nice car on the outside (that is until the bodges let go) and at that point has to enlist a professional to sort the problems. More than anything we hate to see any kind of bodge that comprises the safety of any road user (and believe me I could write a book on what I have seen over the years) Secondly it's ultimately very difficult to accept bodges that emerge from the premises of certain so called experts / professional restorers / bodyshops / classic car dealers of repute etc - they only achieve two things: 1 - Line their own pockets at the expense & misfortune of others 2 - Give the classic car market / movement & restoration trade a poor reputation.
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düdo
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@grumpynorthener said Who d'you think you are? The Queen? I'm sure I can find a restorer who loves me! I lived in Tasmania where there was no MoT/TüV/ roadworthy whatever - you would have wee'd your nappy every ten seconds with the low level of the vehicular life-forms. But people kept their classics going by hook and crook. How does the saying go? 'People who live in churches shouldn't throw Bibles'
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Yeah I do see your point to be fair, there's definitely a compromise sometimes.
2 examples-
Bill has owned his Morris for 30 years, it's reliable but not pretty. He doesn't want to have it restored to pristine condition because he loves it's character, it's his daily driver and he doesn't have the budget. To get it through it's MOT and to sort out aesthetics he's done repair work himself that although might not be pretty, has done it's job and he's happy with it.
Jack owns a 200sx, he goes drifting and his car takes some licks, his mechanic Dan is a competent welder but by no means does flawless work. Jack is satisfied though because it does the job, he plans on giving it a "make over" in the future but for now as long as it remains road worthy and gets him to drift events then he's happy to pay him for the work to keep it going.
Personally speaking I don't like poor workmanship but sometimes cutting corners doesn't constitute a "bodged" job and does it's purpose- as we see with a lot of retro cars on this very site. In fact (not including structural or rust repair) some "bodged" jobs actually add some character to cars- dare I say? It might not be to my personal taste but the "rat look" has taken many different forms now...
If a person is knowingly/willingly going to pay someone for a certain standard of work and is happy with the finish then everyone is a "winner"...
The only person who works on my car is me for the above reasons. I know that I'm going to get the job done properly, sometimes you can't judge other people by your own standards because they don't have comprehension or the skill for the job and alternative routes are too expensive for owners.
As long as I judge my own standards and complete work on my cars to a high level then I'm a happy man, what people do to their cars is their own choice and as long as nobody's getting ripped off or hurt then live and let live... But coming from a professional restorers stand point I definitely agree with what you're saying Grumpy northerner.
You're both coming from different angles but ultimately agreeing on what constitutes good and bad work lads.
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@grumpynorthener said Who d'you think you are? The Queen? I'm sure I can find a restorer who loves me! I lived in Tasmania where there was no MoT/TüV/ roadworthy whatever - you would have wee'd your nappy every ten seconds with the low level of the vehicular life-forms. But people kept their classics going by hook and crook. How does the saying go? 'People who live in churches shouldn't throw Bibles' Has I stated 'No offence intended' BTW I don't throw bibles, never have - maybe thrown the sermon now and again though
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tristanh
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When I bought my mk2 GTI from the previous owner, she was very open about the fact her dad, apparently a mechanic/fitter had done a repair on the front driver's footwell. And I appreciated her honesty. Some months after, I had it on the 2 post lift, and as I lifted it, the lifting pad on the front rhs made some crunching sounds and went up an Inch or so without raising the car... I wirewheeled the copious underseal to be greeted with the pic below. Out came the "angry grinder", chopped it out. Now you know when you're doing something, and your subconscious tells you something isn't right? Yea.. As I'd finished cutting through the "repair" patch, it dawned on me there were no sparks, and a funny smell. Yup, you guessed, the patch was aluminium. Somehow (badly) welded to a steel floor.
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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Oh...
I don't know what's worse the fact he used ally or the dubious looking "welds"...
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düdo
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That old boy with the Jowett at the top of this thread probably wants to drive it again before he pegs out so if I come round to yours @grumpynorthener with a few tubes of 'No More Nails' we can lash that up?
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tristanh
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Oh... I don't know what's worse the fact he used ally or the dubious looking "welds"... Maybe he is actually some kind of metal fab artisan, being able to (kind of) weld ally to steel? Lol
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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