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Hi folks the injection pump on my peugeot 205 non turbo diesel is leaking fuel all over the place. I have a turbo engine in the garage and was wondering if i could fit the pump off that? Any one know?
Cheers steve.
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Rich
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Hi folks the injection pump on my peugeot 205 non turbo diesel is leaking fuel all over the place. I have a turbo engine in the garage and was wondering if i could fit the pump off that? Any one know? Cheers steve. Better off fitting the turbo engine, but you could use the pump, it would want tweaking to make sure it was running correctly on an N/A though. |
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Rich Yeah fitting the turbo engine is my long term plan but I'm not ready to do it yet. I was just hoping to swap the pumps over so I can keep the car on the road over xmas. When you say the pump will need to be tweaked what do you mean? Cheers steve.
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Rich Yeah fitting the turbo engine is my long term plan but I'm not ready to do it yet. I was just hoping to swap the pumps over so I can keep the car on the road over xmas. When you say the pump will need to be tweaked what do you mean? Cheers steve. The turbo pump may have a different fuel base setting. Obviously the LDA won't do anything as it won't have any boost to reference to increase fuelling but the base settings may be different to compensate for the turbo. Injector timing and fuel delivery amount may be different. Someone may know exactly. Is it a Lucas/CAV pump or a Bosch VE? |
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Its the lucas type
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I have absolutely no knowledge on tuning those, are both pumps Lucas? If so then physically they should swap, but like I said I have no idea how well it'll run. Might be fine, might be a load of pants.
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Yeah they are both lucas pumps.
I can get a used non turbo pump off the bay for £50 so that maybe the best option. If I do buy a used pump is it just a case of bolting the new one on? or will timing need setting up?
Thanks steve.
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Yeah they are both lucas pumps. I can get a used non turbo pump off the bay for £50 so that maybe the best option. If I do buy a used pump is it just a case of bolting the new one on? or will timing need setting up? Thanks steve. If you time the engine up correctly (I think it's a pair of 7 or 8MM drill bits IIRC) then it shouldn't need setting up. |
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It says in the haynes manual that you screw two m8 bolts through the injection pump pulley then you can remove the the pump leaving the pulley and timing belt in situ. If it is then just a case of sticking the new pump back on I should manage that myself.
It sounds quite easy but i just have no experience of this kind of thing.
Cheers steve.
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It says in the haynes manual that you screw two m8 bolts through the injection pump pulley then you can remove the the pump leaving the pulley and timing belt in situ. If it is then just a case of sticking the new pump back on I should manage that myself. It sounds quite easy but i just have no experience of this kind of thing. Cheers steve. You still need to time the engine and the pump you are fitting so the pullet goes back on the keyway, otherwise you are flying blind in terms of aligning everything. It's almost as simple as it sounds. I changed the pump on my Landrover twice, and you will need to set the engine to it's timing points and pin the pump that is going in. |
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Oh $hite so if the pump i buy hasnt been pinned then all the timing will need setting?
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Probably easier to fix the leaks, its usually just the cap on the front.
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Oh $hite so if the pump i buy hasnt been pinned then all the timing will need setting? that's easy, there's a keyway in the shaft and a slot in the pulley and the pump housing, you can't get it wrong. |
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welshpug I cant work out where its coming from ...  If you look at the pic above , at the end where the pipes are ^ see the gap between the two round parts above where i put the ^ , well its dripping from there. Sorry for the rubbish description.
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Check your leakoff and flexible hoses very carefully before condemning your pump, I had that pump but the turbo variant on my Citroen BX and I thought the pump had gone but it was the leak off pipework dripping over the pump.
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Its coming from here....  |
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Cheers rich I had a look at it today and couldn't see any pipes leaking but will look again tomorrow. It only seems to leak when its running too.
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You say it's coming from there but that part is directly below the leakoff pipework and that fuel union, which is why I say check very carefully before condemning the pump. It will only leak when running to be fair as thats when fuel is flowing in the system  |
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Rich Cheers mate I'l check it out tomorrow and report back.
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Dec 10, 2017 15:43:58 GMT
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Right well today I have been over all the pipe work, all the flexible pipes got a good wiggle about with the engine running and no sign of any leaks. As for the hard pipes, I got a spanner on every union and nipped them up. Then I just left it running and watched. No signs of any leaks from any pipe work or unions.
What I did see was this... looking from the top I could see diesel start to build up in the grove that I arrowed in the pic above, then it started to drip once enough had built up. With the engine switched off the grove dried up, switch it back on and its back to dripping.
So I'm now 90% sure this is where its coming from. I wonder if there is a seal gone somewhere in that area. To be honest the thought of stripping the pump down completely scares me,but if I can just take the end off and stick in a new seal, well that sounds ok lol.
Any thoughts folks?
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