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Iβve got somewhere north of 500 miles of track memorised to the degree I can drive it flat out with visibility less than 50 feet. π Have fun with the wiring. Youβre right about that (for me anyway); I really enjoy electrics. Yip. Working our that wiring diagram is a piece of peace compared to navigating Clapham to Vic or bluffing your way through Selhurst depot. Or Hornesy, Old Oak or any other depot with a layout like the ramblings of a drunk spider yet still run by good luck and 150-year outdated principles for that matter It's obvious you need to connect the doobrie-firkin to the reciprocating wangledangle. Pink wire. There we have it. Irrevocable proof of what I said earlier. I rest my case... Train drivers DO draw the wiring diagrams for Motorbikes while pretending to work. How else would he know about the pink wire? π³π³π³
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Right. The pink wire... The harness is in pretty good condition with most of the sensors and switches still present,baring a few exceptions. It is mainly unmolested,apart from a couple of wires that have been cut. Quite surprising really,given the quality of the multipin connectors not the greatest,with all sorts of mods normally done to resolve starting and charging problems. A couple of the wires that have been cut would have been part of an alarm system,so I won't be showing those. The main issue I have is this connector is shredded,possibly accident damage or possibly spanner rash from someone trying to get it apart So, as circled in the photo below,engineering works required at Liverpool Street station on the Hammersmith and city line... And what of this "reciprocating wangledangle", that the train driver speaks so confidently about? In layman terms it's the gearbox selector switch,a nasty little addition that Suzuki decided to add. Tis a sinister piece of wizardry,that at first glance looks rather mundane,making a little doofus light up on the dash telling the charioteer what gear he is in,but on proper investigation it's far more sinister.....
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bstardchild
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In layman terms it's the gearbox selector switch,a nasty little addition that Suzuki decided to add. Tis a sinister piece of wizardry,that at first glance looks rather mundane,making a little doofus light up on the dash telling the charioteer what gear he is in,but on proper investigation it's far more sinister..... Inhibits starting if in any gear (Neutral Only) and knowing Suzuki they probably tied the curse word into the clutch switch and probably the side stand switch in some daft permutation just for curse word and giggles Amazes me that people can actually get "Modern" bikes to actually start so they can ride them....... Making the mistake of starting a bike in gear without the clutch in and riding off with the side stand down is how you bloody learn not to be an idiot
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^^
All of the above and more...
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bstardchild
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Actually it's like the Nanny state traction control on my SLK - Right ECU listen to me - I know the tyre is struggling for grip I'll live with it thank you very much - I'd rather you bloody nanny state didn't cut the power completely when I've pulled sharply out in front of a 38 T artic doing 40 mph........ a bit of wheelspin doesn't bother me at all - being stationary in the middle of the road with no activity while you sort your curse word out and decide what to do - does - a lot!!!!
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bstardchild
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^^ All of the above and more... The and more just makes me very glad I stick to older (ish) stuff BMW Motorcycle Indicators also make me wonder why I bought one (again) but as they've always been like that, and I did eventually get used to them after 4 years of riding one and it became very instinctive, I'm confident that maybe in 3 and bit years time I won't swear every time it doesn't do what I thought it would...... Oh and it takes just a couple of months max to go back to the "normal" way of doing it!!!!!
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The gearbox selector switch works in conjunction with the speed sensor switch that looks like this This is an inductive pickup that is triggered by a hole in the front sprocket that whizzes right past it's nose,full steam ahead. This provides the ecu with a pulse that does a couple of things apart from providing the information for the speedo to give you an idea of how fast you are going. It's going to need a bit of creativeness to get it to work properly in my application due to the tire size I will be using,but I have figured out a workable solution. Anyway,back to the nastiness of the gear selector switch. Think of it as your Liver, an inherently evil organ that deserves to be punished. Punished not by alcohol,but by the application of resistance...
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Right,so how does the inherently evil organ spoil our fun? Let me explain....With Bicuits.... Old man Suzuki was sitting at his desk one day,staring out the window,dreaming of being a train driver,when he decided that what the world needed was a big tin of biscuits. It would be a grand tin as biscuit tins go. It would be lovingly crafted into the shape of a v twin,and would hold many biscuits. 135 biscuits to be precise. And the motorcycling world would marvel at the pure genius of him cramming the luurverly 135 biscuits into such a wonderful tin.As the effects of his electric spinach he had been smoking had worn off,the munchies having subsided,his coffee now cold and the dog having eaten his last biscuit,the reality of what he had designed set in. Being rather miffed that the dog had indeed eaten his last biscuit,he turned vindictive. "Well,the world shall indeed be graced with a 135 biscuit v twin,but I will make it impossible for you to reach in and grab them" And that's exactly what he did. He put the smallest lid he could find on said tin,and unlike a previous character in history who decreed we should eat cake,all we got was crumbs.... So how did he do this? The gear selector switch.In cahoots with the speed sensor and the flapper valves in the air box. Basically what the selector switch does,is trigger a cycle of events in the ecu. In the lower gears,I think up to fourth,it won't let the ecu access the full map for the timing,so the timing stays retarded and all the torques that are riding on the 135 horses are not on tap. Only after a certain speed and once you are no longer in one of the lower gears,will the ecu let you have what you paid for.Unrestricted access to the cookie jar... It also works in conjunction with flapper valves in the air box that also open under certain conditions,letting the engine clear its throat and breathe easy. So what of the resistor in the photo? That lets the ecu think the bike is in one of the higher gears and let's the ecu use the full timing advance map. And as for the flapper valves? They shall be dealt with later in a manner befitting....
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Inhibits starting if in any gear (Neutral Only) and knowing Suzuki they probably tied the curse word into the clutch switch and probably the side stand switch in some daft permutation just for curse word and giggles Amazes me that people can actually get "Modern" bikes to actually start so they can ride them....... Getting it to start will be my biggest challenge. There are a lot of parameters that need to be met to get the engine running. Made all the more challenging by not all of the switches and sensors being present. Some can be bridged. Some can be disconnected,whilst others cannot. Some of them will come in handy,but things like the side stand switch not. Slowly getting the bits I need that cannot be bridged or disconnected. To put it in prespective,these things need to be in order before starting. .Sidestand switch showing stand up .clutch in .gearbox in neutral .bike upright according to rollover fuel cut out switch/ tilt switch .engine kill switch in the run position Thats even before you turn the key..... and press the start button...
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bstardchild
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To put it in prespective,these things need to be in order before starting. .Sidestand switch showing stand up .clutch in .gearbox in neutral .bike upright according to rollover fuel cut out switch/ tilt switch .engine kill switch in the run position Thats even before you turn the key..... and press the start button... I rest my case.................. Not to mention that if the two of us start at the same place I'm probably already where I wanted to be before that has even started - HeyZues how complicated can a simple process be made!!!!
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bstardchild
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Right,so how does the inherently evil organ spoil our fun? Let me explain....With Bicuits.... Old man Suzuki was sitting at his desk one day,staring out the window,dreaming of being a train driver,when he decided that what the world needed was a big tin of biscuits. It would be a grand tin as biscuit tins go. It would be lovingly crafted into the shape of a v twin,and would hold many biscuits. 135 biscuits to be precise. And the motorcycling world would marvel at the pure genius of him cramming the luurverly 135 biscuits into such a wonderful tin.As the effects of his electric spinach he had been smoking had worn off,the munchies having subsided,his coffee now cold and the dog having eaten his last biscuit,the reality of what he had designed set in. Being rather miffed that the dog had indeed eaten his last biscuit,he turned vindictive. "Well,the world shall indeed be graced with a 135 biscuit v twin,but I will make it impossible for you to reach in and grab them" And that's exactly what he did. He put the smallest lid he could find on said tin,and unlike a previous character in history who decreed we should eat cake,all we got was crumbs.... So how did he do this? The gear selector switch.In cahoots with the speed sensor and the flapper valves in the air box. Basically what the selector switch does,is trigger a cycle of events in the ecu. In the lower gears,I think up to fourth,it won't let the ecu access the full map for the timing,so the timing stays retarded and all the torques that are riding on the 135 horses are not on tap. Only after a certain speed and once you are no longer in one of the lower gears,will the ecu let you have what you paid for.Unrestricted access to the cookie jar... It also works in conjunction with flapper valves in the air box that also open under certain conditions,letting the engine clear its throat and breathe easy. And a nanny state to boot is what I got out of that!!!! My only mate that I like riding with had a Honda Firestorm V-twin - bloody only clue I ever got when he was slowing down was he would sit up slightly as he rolled off the throttle - it was equivalent to chucking out a boat anchor at speed...... That V-twin really needed a slipper clutch from my perspective.....
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^^ You let it slip thereπππ "My only mate...." Reckon that's instant expulsion form BNMAC.....π³
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I think Ancient Sage Suzuki-san realised that having made a lovely 135-biscuit V-twin, it was prone to rear up and wheelie it's fox-picture curseword off like a mad thing and lo! The average motorcycling dolt had fallen far short of legendary skill with their weak Western bloated ankles stopping them from dabbing the back brake in time to bring it back down. And furthermore, Suzuki-san had let his most junior engineer come up with the arcane Damper of Rotary because he claimed there was no room for a shock absorber. Rather than being led outside into the zen garden for a nice tea ceremony and left to commit seppuku in the rockery in order to expiate the dishonour he had bought upon his ancestors in light of the fact the bleeding Damper of Rotard did not worketh not one bleeding iota
"curse word" quoth Suzuki-san. "We'll have to restrict the damned thing until these round-eyed fools stop killing themselves wheelying to f.... errrm.. Buildeth me some righteous flaps of arcane potential in the damned airbox."
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Although I'm not lover of it, Meggasquirt?
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Although I'm not lover of it, Meggasquirt? Wash your mouth out ππ Will get the oem unit to work. Can always fit a power commander to sort out any little niggles
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I donβt know that the clutch has to be in to start if the bike is in neutral. It needs to be in if the bike is in gear, but it should be fine if not.
Same with the sidestand switch. If the stand is down, and the bike is in neutral, it should start. It will either cut out when you pull the clutch in and drop it into gear, or when you start to let the clutch out to ride off.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Although I'm not lover of it, Meggasquirt? Wash your mouth out ππ I've got one lurking in the back of a cupboard if you get stuck
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Tales of the Volcano Lair hereFrankenBug - Vulcan Power hereThe Frankenhealey here
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I think the side stand switch is there, and the clutch switch is there too, can't remember what other interlocks are there,
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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I donβt know that the clutch has to be in to start if the bike is in neutral. It needs to be in if the bike is in gear, but it should be fine if not. Same with the sidestand switch. If the stand is down, and the bike is in neutral, it should start. It will either cut out when you pull the clutch in and drop it into gear, or when you start to let the clutch out to ride off. The clutch switch doesn't only inhibit it starting,it also enables a different map for starting. I had thought of losing it,but having found that out it's staying. Would need it for the flat shift too...π
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Wash your mouth out ππ I've got one lurking in the back of a cupboard if you get stuck Thanks. Will keep it in mind. Pretty confident I will get the oem engine management working without too much hassle. π
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