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I wonder what the situation would be for those that refuse to enter into discussion with dvsa and carry on testing and taxing as usual . There isn't anything to say you are not allowed to get a car MOT tested and as for RFL as already said it will get refunded if you try to pay.
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I wonder what the situation would be for those that refuse to enter into discussion with dvsa and carry on testing and taxing as usual . There isn't anything to say you are not allowed to get a car MOT tested and as for RFL as already said it will get refunded if you try to pay. not speaking for froggy, but there was speculation at the beginning of the thread that taking your exempt car for an MOT was tantamount to admitting its modified, and therefore open to scrutiny. i don't buy it myself.
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even an MOT doesn't mean a car is safe on the road it just means the brakes, wipers and lights work...ed on one particular day
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Oct 18, 2017 21:17:41 GMT
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All quite interesting and all subjective. Personally for me,when the cortina is done I'll look to push it down the IVA route.
As I'm changing the steering to rack & pinion matched with escort adjustable struts it might not pass the 8pt rule. So for me that's where the ambiguity lies, it's the same design(macpherson strut) as original but not 'original' parts and mount to the chassis on the original parts? Guess I'll find out when the time comes, I'll keep checking the documents to aim to comply from day 1.
Another consideration is evolution, take a Mk2 Escort... Vehicle keeps going for annual inspectiobYear 1, xflow out and 2.0 pinto in, year 2, quick rack and adjustable struts and 4 pot brakes, then next year fit a 5link and rear coilovers and by my reckoning it's radically altered at that point... Or as they're all period Group 2\4 modifications could they be perceived as 'approved'?
As for no MoT, I'm not a fan. With more people who aren't necessarily mechanically minded investing in classic cars as investment, how many will be drawn to a 'polished t*rd' from unscrupulous sellers. curse word handling? That's character sir, old cars aren't as tight as new cars etc...a fool and their money being parted doesn't immediately concern me but opportunities to sneak dodgy motors into the market isn't positive despite the majority of folk being responsible.
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Oct 25, 2017 21:52:27 GMT
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Breaking news! I've just seen a picture of the front page of Classic Car weekly with a headline that says the whole keep testing modifieds thing has been dropped!
Now I've not had a chance yet to get hold of the mag and read the article inside, but watch this space!
Steve
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Oct 25, 2017 23:12:46 GMT
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This is the magazine that printed a morris minor that changed its indicators needed IVA and another that went from 998 to 1098cc had to have a Q plate. All total boll0cks as they never check the sources.
How can they print this when the consultation is not completed until the end of November???
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Darkspeed
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What is says on the front is that a Rule has been dropped which can be read quite differently to whole. As BPR says until the draft becomes fixed it's just speculation. It would be no surprise to me if the 15% thing is dropped though as all the rules should really be visually measurable. A rule on engine capacity increase by "x"% would have been far more sensible if they really wanted to go that route.
No doubt by the time I finish typing this someone would have bought read and posted the content making my post superfluous.
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Classic Car Weekly has taken a statement by the Federation Legislation officer full of 'thinks' and made it fact. Usual poor journalism we've come to expect of them.
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Oct 26, 2017 10:26:51 GMT
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How else can they expect to fill column inches so completely on a weekly basis?
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Oct 31, 2017 22:02:59 GMT
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Having wasted my £2.60 buying the mag (only faintly balanced by the Dolomite Sprint/Saab Turbo back to back test) I was predictably disappointed by an article which is STILL confusing an MOT reg with a DVLA one. And the rest is just rumour and speculation!
If i'd known of their poor reputation for journalistic accuracy, I wouldn't have bothered!
Sorry to get all your hopes up!
Steve
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Dez
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Oct 31, 2017 22:09:22 GMT
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When do we find out for sure what's happening? Within the month isn't it?
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What I've not seen is if there is to be any kind or recommissioning check. Can I just drag a rot box out of barn, chuck in some fresh fuel and a new battery and if it runs drive it?
I have a car on SORN that's not been on the road since 2007, what will I need to do to get it off of SORN and onto a historic vehicle exemption, as I gather I'll still have to tax it as such, I just won't have to pay for the tax.
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edk83
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Send the v5 off at the post office declaring it as historic now. Then come may next just tax online, pay nothing, declare it has no mot and off you go
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What I've not seen is if there is to be any kind or recommissioning check. Can I just drag a rot box out of barn, chuck in some fresh fuel and a new battery and if it runs drive it? I have a car on SORN that's not been on the road since 2007, what will I need to do to get it off of SORN and onto a historic vehicle exemption, as I gather I'll still have to tax it as such, I just won't have to pay for the tax. Yep, just stick fuel in and drive you don't even need to check the brakes work.
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What I've not seen is if there is to be any kind or recommissioning check. Can I just drag a rot box out of barn, chuck in some fresh fuel and a new battery and if it runs drive it? I have a car on SORN that's not been on the road since 2007, what will I need to do to get it off of SORN and onto a historic vehicle exemption, as I gather I'll still have to tax it as such, I just won't have to pay for the tax. Yep, just stick fuel in and drive you don't even need to check the brakes work. When I said "Can I... " I didn't actually mean me. I was being sarcastic, but that was exactly my point. People may well recommission cars with minimal checks and could potentially sell them to unsuspecting buyers. Granted any buyer would be foolish not to make their own checks but let's face it there's plenty of foolish people out there - have you been on Facebook lately. An MOT, whilst not fool proof is a reasonable indication of the state of a car, I'm wondering what this move will do for the resale of classic cars. I guess it will increase the value of those with a meticulous history and potentially devalue those with no paper trail.
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It always makes me laugh when people cite Facebook as evidence of the idiocy of mankind.
Facebook is comprised of the people you associate with. What it brings to your attention is dictated only by your own preferences. So it isn't a reflection on society in general, or even of Facebook, but of your own social circle and personal choices about preferred content.
Not aiming this at you EddyPeck, it's just that it gets said a lot and it always makes me chuckle.
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glenanderson
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What I've not seen is if there is to be any kind or recommissioning check. Can I just drag a rot box out of barn, chuck in some fresh fuel and a new battery and if it runs drive it? I have a car on SORN that's not been on the road since 2007, what will I need to do to get it off of SORN and onto a historic vehicle exemption, as I gather I'll still have to tax it as such, I just won't have to pay for the tax. Yep, just stick fuel in and drive you don't even need to check the brakes work. Except that the responsibility for roadworthyness lies with you and you alone. You have no MoT to hide behind if you mow down a bus queue of orphans, nuns and goldfish.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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[/quote] Except that the responsibility for roadworthyness lies with you and you alone. You have no MoT to hide behind if you mow down a bus queue of orphans, nuns and goldfish. [/quote]
That seems to be the bit that causes most confusion I think... it will still be illegal to drive an unsafe vehicle, just as it always was. Having an MOT certificate was never a defence in the event that your car was found to be unroadworthy. Not even on the day after the MOT pass day.
I don't doubt that some will exploit the situation for a short time but if a car passes from the hands of an unscrupulous seller to a naive buyer, then more fool the buyer but also more significantly at least it's no longer in the hands of the unscrupulous!
I have a feeling the police will be paying closer attention to old cars they see on the road following this coming into effect.
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It would appear from recent evidence so far that 'recommisioned' cars are now being looked into by DVSA with SGS checks being required more often than not, especially for Fords at present.
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I dread to think that any good will come of a 40 year rolling MOT exemption for classics but let me just provide you with a few facts from what happened when the pre 1960 MOT exemption came in to force.
Some of you will be aware I favour a certain marque of classics, said marque has a owners club, said owners club has it's own comprehensive spares scheme / spares department and is just about the sole provider of spares for the marque in Europe. So the 1960 Mot exemption commences and the club spares scheme declines £10,000 per annum for orders of MOT testable parts based on previous years sales and year on year it has never recovered since the exemption was introduced, so ball joints, brakes, exhausts, bearings, suspension parts are simply not getting replaced because they are now not getting checked on the annual basis that the compulsory annual MOT would have checked them & failed the vehicle for not meeting the required standards. Frightening or what ?
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