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Jul 26, 2017 16:55:34 GMT
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Is there any hope of an answer to running out of juice? This is my main concern with electric vehicles, you cant 're fuel' quickly if you run out. Forget to plug it in overnight? How do you get to work?
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Jul 26, 2017 16:57:47 GMT
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Jul 26, 2017 17:06:35 GMT
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Is there any hope of an answer to running out of juice? This is my main concern with electric vehicles, you cant 're fuel' quickly if you run out. Forget to plug it in overnight? How do you get to work? This is just bizarre. First of all, you don't forget...or at least you're no more likely to forget plugging in as you are to go to a petrol garage. Second of all, the fuel station is at your house! How is that less convenient?!
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fad
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Jul 26, 2017 17:07:25 GMT
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Is there any hope of an answer to running out of juice? This is my main concern with electric vehicles, you cant 're fuel' quickly if you run out. Forget to plug it in overnight? How do you get to work? Reserve cells? Mind you... Ever seen a teenager forget to charge their phone and do without.?
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Jul 26, 2017 17:09:52 GMT
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Is there any hope of an answer to running out of juice? This is my main concern with electric vehicles, you cant 're fuel' quickly if you run out. Forget to plug it in overnight? How do you get to work? This is just bizarre. First of all, you don't forget...or at least you're no more likely to forget plugging in as you are to go to a petrol garage. Second of all, the fuel station is at your house! How is that less convenient?! But if you run out of fuel you take a can and get some, or call a friend. Run out of electric and your stuffed. Really think you will 100% remember to charge every single night? All I'm saying is running out if petrol can be solved in 10 mins, running out of electric will (at the moment) take hours to resolve.
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ferny
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Jul 26, 2017 17:10:49 GMT
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Anyone know where I can buy a good low mileage horse? I thought this place was for old cards, not old bikes.
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Last Edit: Jul 26, 2017 17:11:41 GMT by ferny
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Jul 26, 2017 17:13:54 GMT
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Is there any hope of an answer to running out of juice? This is my main concern with electric vehicles, you cant 're fuel' quickly if you run out. Forget to plug it in overnight? How do you get to work? Reserve cells? Mind you... Ever seen a teenager forget to charge their phone and do without.? Ive seen the teenagers I know run out of battery loads of times. But you can then plug it in and use the phone as it charges. Cant do that with an electric car.
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fad
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Jul 26, 2017 17:13:59 GMT
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For anyone interested in the air quality angle, this is the portal for the project I work on... IT DOES NOT WORK ON MOBILE PHONES!!! YOU MUST USE A COMPUTER AND *DO NOT* USE INTERNET EXPLORER, IT DOESN'T WORK ON THAT EITHER. uoweb1.ncl.ac.uk
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Last Edit: Jul 26, 2017 20:04:27 GMT by fad
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vulgalour
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Jul 26, 2017 17:15:48 GMT
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1992, the world of 25 years ago, was almost like another world. The things we take for granted now in cars and communication is astonishing. Go back to 1992 and your average person won't have electric windows, air conditioning or even ABS in their car. They certainly won't have a home PC or a mobile phone. Can you imagine living like that now?
We are very much living through a technological revolution but rather than the drama and visible pollution of the Industrial Revolution, ours is a more subtle proliferation of knowledge, communication improvements and advances in electronics the like of which most of us don't even notice.
This 2040 hype is just that, it's hype. The government are making a bold statement, probably to smokescreen some other issue, which is about as powerful as saying the sea is wet or the sun is hot. I imagine when we get another 25 years down the line we likely will see a jumble of petrol, diesel, electric and combination-fuelled cars on the roads and it will be just as normal as the medley of horse-drawn, steam and early petrol of the early decades of the 20th century.
I absolutely don't want to give up my combustion powered vehicles but by the same token, if I could affordably switch to a cheaper, cleaner energy source to propel them with I absolutely would. It's a good thing that technology is being developed to create viable alternatives to pollution hot-spots. Air quality in London has improved over the last 70 years or so as technology and emissions control has improved so even though there are far more vehicles in the same space, the pollution produced is not as proportionally bad as it might be.
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andyborris
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Jul 26, 2017 17:31:14 GMT
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I can't afford a new or late S/H car, no matter what type of power it uses.
That's one of the reasons I'm on this forum, I no longer drive "Bangers" but "Retros"!
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Del
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Jul 26, 2017 17:32:42 GMT
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I could envisage this policy giving hydrogen fuel cell infrastructure a boost. Or another upsurge in LPG?
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Last Edit: Jul 26, 2017 17:34:38 GMT by Del
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Jul 26, 2017 17:35:54 GMT
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But if you run out of fuel you take a can and get some, or call a friend. Run out of electric and your stuffed. Really think you will 100% remember to charge every single night? All I'm saying is running out if petrol can be solved in 10 mins, running out of electric will (at the moment) take hours to resolve. We've never forgotten to charge our electric car. If we did, and for some reason it was completely empty (a particularly unlikely time to forget to plug it in!), we could plug it in at home, get enough charge in about 10 minutes to get to our nearest rapid charger and then charge it enough to get to work. Rapid chargers take about half-an-hour to charge to 80%, we've got three within five miles. Also, near-instant charging is possible, but not ready yet....and your scenario seems to rely on an electric car driver having a level of stupidity that somehow a fossil fuelled car driver for some reason doesn't have. Not only that, my answers are based on current infrastructure - batteries are getting better, charging is getting faster and becoming more common. South Korea already has wireless charging built into roads. Charge as you drive....you CAN use your car as it charges - like a teenager on their phone....and this is now, not in 2040. What would you do if all the petrol stations were closed locally (lorry drivers strike maybe?) and you'd, for some bizarre reason, driven your car dry? Plug it in at home? How will you get to work then? Electric cars are better at some things and worse at others, and vice versa. Inventing scenarios isn't necessary. It also doesn't need charging every single night - and that's not because we don't use it. 6000 miles in five months is a testament to that. Does you car refuel (for free!) whilst you're in the supermarket or at the cinema? Personally, I'd have a fleet of converted classics if I could afford it and I doubt my Wife will ever own a car with an internal combustion engine ever again. I hope that there will still be a place for classics with burbling V8s and screaming fours, but I'm pretty sure the future is electric - and self-driving. I doubt car ownership will be for any other purpose than as a pastime/hobby. Like horses, I guess.
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Last Edit: Jul 26, 2017 17:46:40 GMT by rmad
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Jul 26, 2017 17:37:53 GMT
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For most of this afternoon ive been listening to the radio phone-in talking about this. If I were to beleive what was said id be thinking that there would literaly only be electric cars allowed on the road in 25 years time. Thats a quarter of a century away. Thats a long time, like vulgalour said go back to 1992 and look at how things have changed, in 1992 if we'd been told we'd have James bond style mobile phones in 25 years it would have sounded silly, but here we are.
From what i can understand now that ive got home is that they plan to ban the sale of petrol and diesil cars by 2040. So what? Whats the fuss? lets face it weve got to do something at somepoint, there will need to be big changes in the availability of charging points, but they've got plenty of time to sort that out, and the technology of electric cars will have changed alot by that time too, to the point where even i might want one.
The only awareness of the change in battery and motor power i have seen myself is in the rc world, brushless motors are a world away from what was being used 25 years ago, and if thats anything to go by i recon were pretty safe. Plenty of nitro cars and petrol cars are being converted to a brushless setup, so I cant see any reason why that cant be carried over to motor vehicles. We'll still be able to use petrol cars way past the 25 year point, but when the time comes when we can no longer get petrol, go brushless.
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ferny
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Jul 26, 2017 17:43:32 GMT
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My issue (at the moment) is that I plan to drive to Poland and mooch around for a couple of days before coming home. I also want to drive up to the Arctic Circle and back. I like to go away camping for a week and often the shower facilities are sketchy at best, let alone electricity. A car not running on fossil fuel (currently) scuppers these plans.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:49:21 GMT
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My issue (at the moment) is that I plan to drive to Poland and mooch around for a couple of days before coming home. I also want to drive up to the Arctic Circle and back. I like to go away camping for a week and often the shower facilities are sketchy at best, let alone electricity. A car not running on fossil fuel (currently) scuppers these plans. You shouldn't get an electric car for this journey. On a similar note, you shouldn't use a fossil-fuelled car to climb Everest, or to fly to Sydney.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:52:28 GMT
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But if you run out of fuel you take a can and get some, or call a friend. Run out of electric and your stuffed. Really think you will 100% remember to charge every single night? All I'm saying is running out if petrol can be solved in 10 mins, running out of electric will (at the moment) take hours to resolve. We've never forgotten to charge our electric car. If we did, and for some reason it was completely empty (a particularly unlikely time to forget to plug it in!), we could plug it in at home, get enough charge in about 10 minutes to get to our nearest rapid charger and then charge it enough to get to work. Rapid chargers take about half-an-hour to charge to 80%, we've got three within five miles. Also, near-instant charging is possible, but not ready yet....and your scenario seems to rely on an electric car driver having a level of stupidity that somehow a fossil fuelled car driver for some reason doesn't have. What would you do if all the petrol stations were closed locally (lorry drivers strike maybe?) and you'd, for some bizarre reason, driven your car dry? Plug it in at home? How will you get to work then? Electric cars are better at some things and worse at others, and vice versa. Inventing scenarios isn't necessary. It also doesn't need charging every single night - and that's not because we don't use it. 6000 miles in five months is a testament to that. Does you car refuel (for free!) whilst you're in the supermarket or at the cinema? Personally, I'd have a fleet of converted classics if I could afford it and I doubt my Wife will ever own a car with an internal combustion engine ever again. I hope that there will still be a place for classics with burbling V8s and screaming fours, but I'm pretty sure the future is electric - and self-driving. I doubt car ownership will be for any other purpose than as a pastime/hobby. Like horses, I guess. I'm not against electric cars. Ive been in my friends e golf. Its great but 90 miles range means its useless most if the time. The range will increase, I'm sure it will reach the 500+ miles needed by 2040. But there is no getting around the fact that recharge takes a long time. Most of the time this wont be an issue, but when it is an issue it will take longer to solve than running out of petrol. As I said, the charge issue is my only concern. If they can solve that, or as you mention charge while you drive, then great. Edit... you seem to have jumped on me quite aggressively from what I think was a perfectly reasonable question. Notice my first line was a question asking if the situation is likely to be solveable?
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Last Edit: Jul 26, 2017 17:57:16 GMT by VW
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Jul 26, 2017 17:59:31 GMT
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How long will it take to get the infrastructure And arn't we already at breaking point in producing enough electricity to power our houses let alone everyone charging a car
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Jul 26, 2017 18:00:18 GMT
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I could envisage this policy giving hydrogen fuel cell infrastructure a boost. Or another upsurge in LPG? Hydrogen is a white elephant - hugely energy intensive to collect, store, transport and use... And it doesn't even have that much energy density. We can switch to electric, but the biggest obstacle to it is our privatised energy services. We need to renationalise them and get on board with Gen4 reactors, and the grid upgraded to handle them. Nuclear is the safest and cleanest energy source we have, and combined with municipal renewables (wind, hydro) and personal home renewables (solar) can secure our transport (and by extension our hobby) for the foreseeable future... But it needs to be a system where everyone pays in and everyone benefits, for the benefit of the country as a whole. Private enterprise will leave us lagging behind the rest of the world. In my last job I did 150+ rural miles a day. A colleague with a similar mileage ran a Nissan Leaf with zero issues. There are several of them used locally as taxis as well. Electric cars aren't a vague future trend; they are here now and they work now for the VAST majority of the population. Perhaps a standardised hot-swappable modular battery system across the industry combined with swap-out centres at Motorway services and highly populated areas is the way to go; it would remove the range anxiety issue, and allow the electric car you use for 99% of your journeys to also be used for cross-country trips. *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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ferny
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Jul 26, 2017 18:03:23 GMT
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My issue (at the moment) is that I plan to drive to Poland and mooch around for a couple of days before coming home. I also want to drive up to the Arctic Circle and back. I like to go away camping for a week and often the shower facilities are sketchy at best, let alone electricity. A car not running on fossil fuel (currently) scuppers these plans. You shouldn't get an electric car for this journey. On a similar note, you shouldn't use a fossil-fuelled car to climb Everest, or to fly to Sydney. It might be fun trying though!
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Jul 26, 2017 18:04:48 GMT
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Perhaps a standardised hot-swappable modular battery system across the industry combined with swap-out centres at Motorway services and highly populated areas is the way to go; it would remove the range anxiety issue, and allow the electric car you use for 99% of your journeys to also be used for cross-country trips. *n This is a good idea, would solve battery life issues too, damaged packs could be taken out of rotation and returned for repair. don't forget we wont be owning many of these by then, people barely own their new cars now.by 2040 they will no doubt be mostly lease hire.
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