ton246
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Aug 25, 2017 13:29:56 GMT
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What an unfortunate start to your relationship with this car. I wonder who did all that bodgy wiring. You mentioned that you can't find the fuel pump relay. It is a small square relay attached to the outside of the fusebox. Mad place to locate a vital relay IMO. Slowly getting around to fixing things. Fuel pump wiring and relay sorted. Exhaust had developed a blow, which turned out to be rotten pipes, now sorted with S/S. New (old) wheels and tyres swapped over, still metric but tyres are like new. One thing our wet summer has highlighted is that water is getting in from somewhere, as carpets are damp. Oh well not to worry.
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Current Cars 2005 Jaguar S type R 4.2 V8 Mk1 Transit Campervan
Previous cars 1984 BMW e28 525e 2011 Audi A4 Avant S-line Black Edition 1997 Jeep Cherokee xj off roader 1986 BMW e28 520i 1992 RRC 3.9l V8 1996 Subaru Sti 2001 Saab Aero (HOT) cabrio 2008 Audi S3 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD 1989 Volvo 740 GL Estate 2001 Subaru legacy 2.5 GX Lux Estate 2002 Citroen Saxo 1.1 desire
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Aug 25, 2017 13:36:38 GMT
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Just about every E23 I've had has let water in. Water can enter from multiple sources. Bulkhead/heater box area, sunroof drain tubes, door card membranes, tail light seals, door seals etc etc. The thick spongey padding under the carpet will never dry properly once it gets sodden. With my own E23s I have previously removed this padding. Does not seem to make the car more noisy.
The S/S looks fantastic. What costs are involved and which firm can make and install it?
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Current: 1986/C 735i E23 Polaris silver 1985/B 735i E23 Cosmos blue 1994/M 730i E38 Sorrent blue 2001/Y 530i E39 Slate green
Previously owned: 1986/C 728i E23 Polaris silver 1989/G 325i E30 Malachite green 1982/Y 735i E23 Opal green 1986/C 528i E28 Cosmos black 1986/C 728i E23 Arctic blue and various other horrors/classics
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ton246
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Aug 25, 2017 13:50:29 GMT
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Just about every E23 I've had has let water in. Water can enter from multiple sources. Bulkhead/heater box area, sunroof drain tubes, door card membranes, tail light seals, door seals etc etc. The thick spongey padding under the carpet will never dry properly once it gets sodden. With my own E23s I have previously removed this padding. Does not seem to make the car more noisy. The S/S looks fantastic. What costs are involved and which firm can make and install it? Yeah, it's coming from the front area drivers side, I think. The spongy carpet padding certainly doesn't help as it retains the water. I've already removed it from the rear, makes it easier to mop up as I park on a slight incline and the water collects behind the front seats ! The exhaust was done be a local firm to me (Leven), they still used the middle and back box, which was new, just replaced the front box and all pipework changed to S/S for under £400.
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Current Cars 2005 Jaguar S type R 4.2 V8 Mk1 Transit Campervan
Previous cars 1984 BMW e28 525e 2011 Audi A4 Avant S-line Black Edition 1997 Jeep Cherokee xj off roader 1986 BMW e28 520i 1992 RRC 3.9l V8 1996 Subaru Sti 2001 Saab Aero (HOT) cabrio 2008 Audi S3 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD 1989 Volvo 740 GL Estate 2001 Subaru legacy 2.5 GX Lux Estate 2002 Citroen Saxo 1.1 desire
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Aug 25, 2017 14:01:48 GMT
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All that work for £400 is a bargain. Does it sound louder?
Front leaks suggest heater box seal has had it. No easy fix. If you are a masochist you can carry out a complete interior tear down, all trims out. The entire dashboard has to come out, then the heater box can be removed and re-sealed back into place. A few of the UK and USA E23 nutters have actually done this as they were fed up with permanently wet carpets and steamed up windows.
The rear foot well floor pans make ideal ponds for the trapped water. They completely fill with water which cannot then escape.
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Current: 1986/C 735i E23 Polaris silver 1985/B 735i E23 Cosmos blue 1994/M 730i E38 Sorrent blue 2001/Y 530i E39 Slate green
Previously owned: 1986/C 728i E23 Polaris silver 1989/G 325i E30 Malachite green 1982/Y 735i E23 Opal green 1986/C 528i E28 Cosmos black 1986/C 728i E23 Arctic blue and various other horrors/classics
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rude
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Aug 25, 2017 14:10:34 GMT
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Up the foot well outer edge behind the dash above accelerator. Seam junction with kick panel rots out splaying the seam as rust expands, water runs down into foot well. It is high enough and out of sight enough to escape detection from either side, usually has been gummed up in the past and blown. Factory drain plugs in foot well end up rotting out from trapped water and where the foot well curves up directly in the line of fire from front wheel. Big bodgery areas. Both sides for all that. Wires and cables passing through bulkhead, the rubber grommets dry up and shrink. Drain tunnels from the top of bulkhead sides to inner wings are a goodun to go, get yer finger in there and have a good rummage. In the rear, pin holes in top of wheel well evade detection but their presence can be seen by rusty coloured runs down the tub into the cabin behind the rear seat and all mounts for the rear running gear although it's grot that rots these out rather than direct surface water.
That's just the outer to inner leaky bits mind, not an exhaustive list either. Bear in mind that when my floors get wet, it can take about a week of good weather to dry out the underlay foam. I ended up cutting a section to take out for future leaks because there will be some, guaranteed!
Check the door trim and rubbers too, especially the metal floor sill trim as it can get dinked by carelessness and compress the rubber creating a gap in the seal.
I had a mysterious leak spout up so I removed the carpets to one side and cut the underlay to take and dry, cleaned the area up and then dusted the whole area in talc and then lay in wait for it to rain... Once a few storms had passed I went to find the curse word and... NOTHING! Refit all the carpets and a month later, it's damp again! Because my car is offically unofficially haunted it's been marked up as ghost wee!
EDIT: It took so long to type this on and off at work that you've had an entire conversation in the meantime! Good call on the heaterbox too.
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Last Edit: Aug 25, 2017 14:21:57 GMT by rude
1986 Haunted BMW E24 635CSi 1999 Povo spec BMW E36 1.8i Touring Work Hack 2001 Petrol annihilating Discovery V8 2000 Jaguar S Type 3.0 V6 ~NEW~
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Aug 25, 2017 14:16:29 GMT
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Wow, you really know your E23s!
The driver's and passenger's toe board sheet metal really likes to rot out good. My own E23's drivers floor rotted out so bad that the floor mount for the throttle pedal became detached from the floor, while I was driving. A very weird experience. My local garage repaired it for me, so it did not spell the demise of the car
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Current: 1986/C 735i E23 Polaris silver 1985/B 735i E23 Cosmos blue 1994/M 730i E38 Sorrent blue 2001/Y 530i E39 Slate green
Previously owned: 1986/C 728i E23 Polaris silver 1989/G 325i E30 Malachite green 1982/Y 735i E23 Opal green 1986/C 528i E28 Cosmos black 1986/C 728i E23 Arctic blue and various other horrors/classics
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rude
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Aug 25, 2017 14:41:07 GMT
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I have spent many soul destroying hours with me head stuck in some sort of orifice next to the business end of a MIG on this wonderful monocoque platform!
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1986 Haunted BMW E24 635CSi 1999 Povo spec BMW E36 1.8i Touring Work Hack 2001 Petrol annihilating Discovery V8 2000 Jaguar S Type 3.0 V6 ~NEW~
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Aug 25, 2017 14:44:36 GMT
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Old car body shells become like Swiss cheese in the end, full of holes. Carpets and trim do their best to cover up the truth!
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Current: 1986/C 735i E23 Polaris silver 1985/B 735i E23 Cosmos blue 1994/M 730i E38 Sorrent blue 2001/Y 530i E39 Slate green
Previously owned: 1986/C 728i E23 Polaris silver 1989/G 325i E30 Malachite green 1982/Y 735i E23 Opal green 1986/C 528i E28 Cosmos black 1986/C 728i E23 Arctic blue and various other horrors/classics
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ton246
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Aug 25, 2017 15:49:19 GMT
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Once the show season is over I'm planning to strip the interior out for further investigation, and to purchase a decent outdoor cover as I have no garage.
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Current Cars 2005 Jaguar S type R 4.2 V8 Mk1 Transit Campervan
Previous cars 1984 BMW e28 525e 2011 Audi A4 Avant S-line Black Edition 1997 Jeep Cherokee xj off roader 1986 BMW e28 520i 1992 RRC 3.9l V8 1996 Subaru Sti 2001 Saab Aero (HOT) cabrio 2008 Audi S3 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD 1989 Volvo 740 GL Estate 2001 Subaru legacy 2.5 GX Lux Estate 2002 Citroen Saxo 1.1 desire
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Aug 25, 2017 19:12:17 GMT
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That's the spirit. Too many classic car novice buyers simply expect too much perfection from a 30+ year old car. At the first sign of trouble they cut and run.
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Current: 1986/C 735i E23 Polaris silver 1985/B 735i E23 Cosmos blue 1994/M 730i E38 Sorrent blue 2001/Y 530i E39 Slate green
Previously owned: 1986/C 728i E23 Polaris silver 1989/G 325i E30 Malachite green 1982/Y 735i E23 Opal green 1986/C 528i E28 Cosmos black 1986/C 728i E23 Arctic blue and various other horrors/classics
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ton246
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Aug 26, 2017 17:31:48 GMT
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All that work for £400 is a bargain. Does it sound louder ? Sounds stock, which is what I wanted.
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Current Cars 2005 Jaguar S type R 4.2 V8 Mk1 Transit Campervan
Previous cars 1984 BMW e28 525e 2011 Audi A4 Avant S-line Black Edition 1997 Jeep Cherokee xj off roader 1986 BMW e28 520i 1992 RRC 3.9l V8 1996 Subaru Sti 2001 Saab Aero (HOT) cabrio 2008 Audi S3 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD 1989 Volvo 740 GL Estate 2001 Subaru legacy 2.5 GX Lux Estate 2002 Citroen Saxo 1.1 desire
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Sept 25, 2019 2:32:26 GMT
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Any updates on your car ?
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ton246
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Jan 28, 2020 23:41:46 GMT
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Any updates on your car ? Sorry for late reply, been a bit of a mission since my last post. Car has been off the road for about a year due to a failed ECU, and after a fruitless search for a replacement one, I sent the original one away to a specialist ecu repairer only to be told months later that it was beyond repair 😡. Then low and behold one came up on eBay, so snapped it up, and that one also was a dead one, so the process of sending it away for repair started but ended up the same result as the last one..damn. In the end I had to get a stand alone one made by Dave Walker of Emerald ECU which was fitted by my local auto electrician. With a bit of back and forth between Dave and spark they managed to get it running enough to pass the mot, and a further session on a rolling road sorted it even further. Managed to get a set of wheels for it. So this was how it looked for a few months until it's next unscheduled stint off the road. Next instalment is not so pretty ☹️☹️
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2020 23:44:04 GMT by ton246
Current Cars 2005 Jaguar S type R 4.2 V8 Mk1 Transit Campervan
Previous cars 1984 BMW e28 525e 2011 Audi A4 Avant S-line Black Edition 1997 Jeep Cherokee xj off roader 1986 BMW e28 520i 1992 RRC 3.9l V8 1996 Subaru Sti 2001 Saab Aero (HOT) cabrio 2008 Audi S3 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD 1989 Volvo 740 GL Estate 2001 Subaru legacy 2.5 GX Lux Estate 2002 Citroen Saxo 1.1 desire
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ton246
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Jan 30, 2020 14:38:54 GMT
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So, here is the not so pretty......... After getting the car back and road worthy I enjoyed a couple of months of car shows during the summer. I decided to put it into my local garage for a wee service (lazy I know), the mechanic phoned me to say that there was a slight blow from the manifold, so i popped down and right enough slight blow. No bother I thought, the guy's that fitted it were just in the next unit. So it was agreed that that Callum ( the exhaust specialist ) would take it next door and fix it, all good so far. 2 days later I get a phone call from Callum to say that the lorry delivering his gas bottles had reversed into my car........curse word off I say, your just winding me up, no i'm not he says, you had better be I say......now my stomach is churning, send me the photos then I say. This is what he sent....... OMFG I couldn't believe it, no way to say I was gutted doesn't cover half of it, my wife was actually crying when she saw it.......
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Current Cars 2005 Jaguar S type R 4.2 V8 Mk1 Transit Campervan
Previous cars 1984 BMW e28 525e 2011 Audi A4 Avant S-line Black Edition 1997 Jeep Cherokee xj off roader 1986 BMW e28 520i 1992 RRC 3.9l V8 1996 Subaru Sti 2001 Saab Aero (HOT) cabrio 2008 Audi S3 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD 1989 Volvo 740 GL Estate 2001 Subaru legacy 2.5 GX Lux Estate 2002 Citroen Saxo 1.1 desire
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big02
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Jan 30, 2020 15:53:57 GMT
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Oh jeez!!!
I 100% feel your pain. Back in 2002, I was driving my pristine 1 previous owner BMW 2002 and I was hit by a get away car from a jewellery robbery.
Gutted doesn’t really cover it does it. Please, please tell me this stunning 7 is/was put back together?
P.S. I think I would’ve shed a tear at seeing it looking like that.
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big02
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Jan 30, 2020 15:54:17 GMT
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Oh jeez!!!
I 100% feel your pain. Back in 2002, I was driving my pristine 1 previous owner BMW 2002 and I was hit by a get away car from a jewellery robbery.
Gutted doesn’t really cover it does it. Please, please tell me this stunning 7 is/was put back together?
P.S. I think I would’ve shed a tear at seeing it looking like that.
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urbanaw
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Jan 30, 2020 16:24:55 GMT
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Gutted!
I am not sure I have a curse word in my dictionary that would cover this..
Try to get them to cover the cost of the repair so it will not become a write-off. Other than that it looks worse than it is (from the pics) so (please) keep it alive!
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Marc
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Jan 30, 2020 20:29:34 GMT
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Awful to see, hopefully insurance will sort this all out.
Do you have an agreed value on it? This saved my old XJR when it was vandalised last year.
All the best.
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ton246
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Jan 31, 2020 10:19:35 GMT
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SHE LIVES !! Well, the lorry drivers company were really good and actually said that they would cover the cost of repair without going down the insurance route. The company (Pipe Dynamics) where my car was parked when it was hit dealt with everything, and I cant thank them enough for chasing / making phone calls to get things moving along. So, the search was on for a decent body-shop that wouldn't just fill it with filler. After a few weeks internet trawling and phone calls, I found a repair shop 10 miles away. The problem was that, quite rightly, they all wanted to see it in the flesh before committing to a quote. Anyway, after speaking to the workshop manager, I was confident that they would do it justice. Everything needed for the repair was bought directly from BMW Germany, and all parts were available apart from the rear metal valance, which was expertly repaired. Fast forward a couple of weeks and the phone call came to say it was ready for collection, unfortunately it was raining so no pics. It is now all tucked up in the garage until spring. Here's some pics after repair, looks better than it did before accident...bonus. Also had under the bonnet sprayed....included in cost. Happy days.
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Current Cars 2005 Jaguar S type R 4.2 V8 Mk1 Transit Campervan
Previous cars 1984 BMW e28 525e 2011 Audi A4 Avant S-line Black Edition 1997 Jeep Cherokee xj off roader 1986 BMW e28 520i 1992 RRC 3.9l V8 1996 Subaru Sti 2001 Saab Aero (HOT) cabrio 2008 Audi S3 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD 1989 Volvo 740 GL Estate 2001 Subaru legacy 2.5 GX Lux Estate 2002 Citroen Saxo 1.1 desire
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neil79
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Jan 31, 2020 11:16:25 GMT
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Wow, that looks fantastic!!! I was horrified to see what they had done, but that looks like a nice job.
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