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after a long wait from a distant galaxy, i am finally hoping that the arrival of my wheel bearing for my 2001 spacewagon is going to arrive in the morning. with no haynes in existance and only limited info online i am left guessing on how much preload the rear bearing will need.
anyone know of any sites online that have reliable bearing preload info?
would be handy lol
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Jun 12, 2017 20:48:52 GMT
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glad i bought a common car that everybody is so knowledgable about and one which has so much info about it online. lol   the top pic is a hub with bearing still sitting in the brake drum, make note of the abs reluctor ring please : /. the bottom pic is one of 3 hubs ive ordered in an attempt to get the same hub but with the same reluctor/sensor ring as pictured in the top. both hubs have the same number on the bearings, though google it and it will come up with the whole hub assembly everytime..of some variation anyway. question is, because it is seemingly impossible to find the exact same sensor ring as I'm looking for, could you guess that the new hub assembly sensor ring would work as a replacement-could it be a replacement part for the one show in the top photo? i mean if it physically fits, could you imagine the same sensor being able to read either of these rings? |
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Jun 13, 2017 19:33:37 GMT
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my sensor doesnt read my ring piece : /
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fad
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Jun 13, 2017 19:46:22 GMT
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Sorry you have had no replies. Can't help you mind you... But... If you suss it, please say so for future people!
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scimjim
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Jun 13, 2017 21:23:56 GMT
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They look like double row taper bearings with single piece races - if so, they don't need a preload (and in fact you can't adjust the preload without machining bits off it), just secure nut to FT. We use 150lbft on the SS1 front hub (bespoke double row taper bearing) as there's no manufacturers figure. The rears are similar (Mazda 626 bearings) and are 205-245lbft!
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Jun 13, 2017 21:26:26 GMT
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i can only imagine that people with lancers and gallants of similar years are going to or have had similar problems as i think they are the same part of some models.
my ABS light is on which means that the sensor isnt reading the ring(as its a different ring) so now, I'm going to knock the old bearings out of the old hub, put new bearings in and install it because it has the correct ring on, or have the new hub drilled to accept the old ring OR look for a sensor that will face the right way to read the ring on the new hub!
car runs and stops alright so it means that the ecu isnt reading the speed off of the hub for anything else so the sensor must run straight to abs unit.
ill update when ive adapted something to work. i have until the MOT is due in september at least!
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Jun 13, 2017 23:40:46 GMT
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They look like double row taper bearings with single piece races - if so, they don't need a preload (and in fact you can't adjust the preload without machining bits off it), just secure nut to FT. We use 150lbft on the SS1 front hub (bespoke double row taper bearing) as there's no manufacturers figure. The rears are similar (Mazda 626 bearings) and are 205-245lbft! thanks but thats curse word news lol i watched a youtube where a guy was fitting what seemed to be the same hub to a mitsubishi people carrier, grandis or something and he had set his torque wrench at 90nw(70something pounds only!) and that is how much i did mine to(before i saw your message earlier). can you tell me the specific name of the type of locking nut that has the bit you notch into the gulley on the spindle? ...bet its called a locking nut lol |
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the new hub looks like a disc brake version.
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as they come in one unit its not likely you can remove the bearing.
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Jun 14, 2017 16:30:22 GMT
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the new hub looks like a disc brake version. I'm not sure which models have discs on the back, whether they are smaller engines or earlier generation spacewagons but this drum fits on this hub perfectly. the bearings must come out of the hub though for someone,well lots of manufactuers, to have have fitted them, which I'm guessing, means the bearing is available somewhere. when i get the bearings out of the old hub ill send them off to simplybearings if i have to and see if they have something in stock or can find the part. the number onthe bearing case does just bring up versions of the whole hub assembly though. |
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Jun 14, 2017 17:24:29 GMT
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If you have a search on www.pocuk.com/forums/index.php there is a UK fabricator that makes abs rings for pajaro's and shogun's, they might have something that fits. |
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Jun 14, 2017 17:29:21 GMT
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scimjim
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Jun 14, 2017 21:41:56 GMT
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They look like double row taper bearings with single piece races - if so, they don't need a preload (and in fact you can't adjust the preload without machining bits off it), just secure nut to FT. We use 150lbft on the SS1 front hub (bespoke double row taper bearing) as there's no manufacturers figure. The rears are similar (Mazda 626 bearings) and are 205-245lbft! thanks but thats curse word news lol i watched a youtube where a guy was fitting what seemed to be the same hub to a mitsubishi people carrier, grandis or something and he had set his torque wrench at 90nw(70something pounds only!) and that is how much i did mine to(before i saw your message earlier). can you tell me the specific name of the type of locking nut that has the bit you notch into the gulley on the spindle? ...bet its called a locking nut lol If your torque wrench is a ratchet (goes both ways) you may be able to estimate the setting from the other side hub? No idea what those nuts are called - just done a Freelander hub and they are peened in the same way and the wall is quite thin at the top to allow it to fold into the spindle groove. |
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Jun 18, 2017 12:59:16 GMT
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The original abs reluctor ring looks like it's held onto the hub with 5 bolts.
Any reason why you can't just drill and tap 5 new holes in your new hub, then swap the ring from the old to new ?
Hope you get it sorted !
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Last Edit: Jun 18, 2017 12:59:56 GMT by nomad
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alx
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Jun 18, 2017 17:09:18 GMT
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Jun 22, 2017 22:23:46 GMT
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The original abs reluctor ring looks like it's held onto the hub with 5 bolts. Any reason why you can't just drill and tap 5 new holes in your new hub, then swap the ring from the old to new ? Hope you get it sorted ! thats the plan but I'm still on the look out for the correct part, hoping as someone has mentioned that an FTO shares the same ring piece : ) |
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Jun 22, 2017 22:27:23 GMT
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i think you might be onto something! just looked on ebay and the hub assembly has the holes drilled for the reluctor ring : ) £428 though lol |
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alx
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True, they are pretty expensive new but there's loads of FTO breakers about these days, maybe a second hand part would do?
AL.
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Sept 28, 2017 13:40:45 GMT
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i hate unfinished threads!
so after many months and MOT time approaching i had to sort this.
i went to a localish bearing company to see if they could order the actual bearing in the hub. they couldnt measure it so they put me onto a local engineering firm who would press it out for me, except that they had to batter it out because in this case the hub is actually the outer shell of the bearing.
pop the inside shells out from either end of the hub and your left with two rings of huge balls seperated by a flange that is part of the hub.
great design! nothing wasteful about it. not.
so instead ive had to take the ABS ring off the old hub and got this same engineering firm to drill holes in my new hub to take the ring.
20 minutes later and its fitted. 2 minutes driving around and my abs light finally went out.
hurrah!
now there is just my mot to fail on something else lol.
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ChasR
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Sept 28, 2017 16:09:03 GMT
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Just how expensive was a new hub? It seems like alot of effort to go to.
I would have done this ages ago but these days I work on the cars enough with just keeping them clean and servicing them!
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