vulgalour
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 7,287
Club RR Member Number: 146
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Uh oh, fashion time! Mens suits have changed LOADS since the 1940s. What Grumpy is wearing looks more like the sort of thing my late grandfather - a working class yorkshireman - wore for pretty much as long as I knew him, well into the 90s. Notice that the trousers sit nearer the waist line than the hip line and the jacket isn't pulled in at the waist but rather is fairly straight sided and longer than a modern cut tends to be. Take note also of the shape of the lapels and collar which are much fuller than modern tastes without being ostentatious and the bottom front corners of the jacket are largely rounded which makes them less prone to getting in the way that a squarer cut. It's quite a practical sort of suit, warm when you have to work outdoors, smart enough to be worn indoors and unlikely to get in the way or restrict movement. The shoulders are quite broad too, which pushes it more toward the formal than the working suit proper, as expected from someone who drives a taxi rather than works on a farm.
Of course, Mrs Grumpy will know way more than I do on this subject as I'm only an amateur observer of men's fashion through the years. To find a period correct suit you either get lucky online, in second hand shops or flea markets, etc. or you make your own from any number of patterns available, though finding exactly the right material can be very difficult.
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And this is just another reason to love the forum. Here we are in the middle of a bent Jowett tale and all of a sudden I know more about post-war workingmen's suits than I did this morning. Brilliant 😊
But yes, a lot of the old boys in my old village, who were mainly retired mill or quarry workers would still dress like this for their Sunday lunchtime pint. Of course they never brought their wives with them!
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Last Edit: Jun 1, 2017 11:56:38 GMT by georgeb
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Uh oh, fashion time! Mens suits have changed LOADS since the 1940s. What Grumpy is wearing looks more like the sort of thing my late grandfather - a working class yorkshireman - wore for pretty much as long as I knew him, well into the 90s. Notice that the trousers sit nearer the waist line than the hip line and the jacket isn't pulled in at the waist but rather is fairly straight sided and longer than a modern cut tends to be. Take note also of the shape of the lapels and collar which are much fuller than modern tastes without being ostentatious and the bottom front corners of the jacket are largely rounded which makes them less prone to getting in the way that a squarer cut. It's quite a practical sort of suit, warm when you have to work outdoors, smart enough to be worn indoors and unlikely to get in the way or restrict movement. The shoulders are quite broad too, which pushes it more toward the formal than the working suit proper, as expected from someone who drives a taxi rather than works on a farm. Of course, Mrs Grumpy will know way more than I do on this subject as I'm only an amateur observer of men's fashion through the years. To find a period correct suit you either get lucky online, in second hand shops or flea markets, etc. or you make your own from any number of patterns available, though finding exactly the right material can be very difficult. Mrs Grumpy (except she is never grumpy) is highly qualified in the period dress department - 2 university degrees and a endless list of well known film, TV & theatre credits for her role has a 'Costumier' - basically oversees the production of costume from start to finish - has worked with just about every actor / actress over the last 30 years - so if she can't get the look right then nobody can - my suit was an e bay find - and with very minor alteration is a perfect fit - the vintage scene is now huge with several major events in the UK - If you own a car of the period it will often get you free entry to the event but many events now have a waiting list for entries - personally we only do a couple - just our club rally and Goodwood Revival (go to Revival in everyday clothes and you will feel out of place as 80% of the 250,000 attendance dress in period) |
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Last Edit: Jun 2, 2017 7:53:21 GMT by Deleted
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And this is just another reason to love the forum. Here we are in the middle of a bent Jowett tale and all of a sudden I know more about post-war workingmen's suits than I did this morning. Brilliant 😊 But yes, a lot of the old boys in my old village, who were mainly retired mill or quarry workers would still dress like this for their Sunday lunchtime pint. Of course they never brought their wives with them! Well that's RR for you - has already explained we only do a couple of events in period dress but it is a lot of fun the girls get well and truly into it and always look stunning - add an old motor and you can create the perfect look. |
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Pleased you got it sorted, how bad was the grill damage? My grandfather had a Jowett like that when we were kids in the early 70's, dark red colour. I can remember he traded it in for a then new FIAT 128, it wasn't a happy relationship! Grille is dead  I am just in the process of sorting another - it has been stored sometime so the alloy has oxidized and needs polishing up - I have stripped it to component form so I can access the fins and bench polish them |
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vulgalour @grumpynorthener i did have a go at the queens jubilee. herringbone trousers (pleated) dug the old school tie out, white shirt, rolled up sleeves, side parting (with red brylcream obviously) and a 40s crochet tank top, post war working class thing. mum said i looked like granddad Les, not sure if its a compliment
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Last Edit: Jun 2, 2017 17:34:32 GMT by darrenh
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I am not at all surprised at how the Jowett survived that minor crash better than the modern car. I would expect this to be the case. Crumple zones and all that.
Shame those tyres perished and cracked before they wore out. Means you are not driving and enjoying the car enough though.
Love the idea of dressing to match the era of one's car when out on a club run.
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Jun 25, 2017 20:50:35 GMT
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So managed to sort bits of another grille that I had - unfortunately someone had painted the alloy fins at some previous stage - so out came the paint stripper  A couple of liberal doses later and a wash off with the hose  Still need some more work though - the fins had been attacked with a DA to prep them for paint  Used the DA with 320 discs to initially remove the remaining paint and surface scratching  Then with 500 discs  So that's the 7 lower fins (long) and the six upper (short) cleaned back to the 500's stage  That's has far has I got for today - plan now is wet & dry each fin in order with 800 then 1200 on to 1500 and finish with 2000 prior to machine polishing with compound - I don't want a mirror finish just a presentable clean look which is how it would have been in the day |
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Last Edit: Jun 25, 2017 20:53:21 GMT by Deleted
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jpr1977
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 659
Club RR Member Number: 18
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Jun 29, 2017 14:51:13 GMT
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Jun 29, 2017 20:40:21 GMT
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It's on the radar but the guide at £3 - £6k is miles too high for what it is - it all depends on what state the structure is in along with the state of interior - it's so easy to get carried away and pay £4 - £5k for one of these then find out the original interior self destructs (it's leather and someone has put seat covers over it more than likely to cover up the poor state / splitting leather) along with the chassis structure which is complex requires a mile of welding - so several £k later and you in at £10k and that's before you start with the chrome & paint - whilst you can purchase a really good one for £7 - £8k and £10 - £12k will secure something in concours territory - ideally the hammer needs to fall on this at nothing above £2,500 for it to be worth doing |
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2017 7:56:18 GMT by Deleted
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jpr1977
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 659
Club RR Member Number: 18
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It must be the 'Brian May once bought it' premium...
tbh i was more taken by the lovely blue Alfa Spider in the sale...
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Aug 24, 2017 22:50:32 GMT
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So this package arrived by courier today  Goodwood Revival passes / comps - vehicle pass - GRTC armband / badges - camping passes etc - so I had better get my finger out and the Javelin sorted for it's duties throughout the event - 2 weeks to go before the annual pilgrimage commences |
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Sept 18, 2017 7:00:34 GMT
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So managed to sort the grille at the last minute in preparation for Goodwood Revival   Flatted with 600 - 800 - 1200 - 1500 - 2000 wet & dry through the grades then machine polished but not heavily - just did not have the time really - you can see the difference on the last fin between flatted & polished  Fortunately I had a couple of old grilles that I could utilise any brackets / parts from  The fins are just fastened to the uprights with short self tapping screws Once assembled & fitted I had to quickly clean the car up and sort everything for Revival weekend - all the camping gear which is only used once a year being hidden away in the most inaccessible area of the garage loft etc - everything very last minute dot com - had a final bleed round of the brakes and managed to break a nipple on a very stubborn rear cylinder which I was going to replace this winter - DAMIT - managed to sort another cylinder and get it fitted just managing to make the drivers briefing on Thursday evening at 18:00 hours - then had to get the camp site and erect the tent etc - fortunately my fellow 'Jowetteers' had reserved me a place within our little club gathering of cars & tents - then my phone played up with camera so very, very few pics of the event!   However the little Javelin did sterling service without issue throughout the weekend - ferrying guests & GRRC members to the track & back from the members club, hotel & Goodwood House - The event was marred by the weather which you simply cannot predict but was also further spoilt by some really poor organisation / traffic management and a couple of run in's with some rather officious contracted officials saying that officials is too good a word for them - more like little tin gods - really spoilt what is normally a fantastic event for me and made me question why I volunteer for the event Going to make some changes for next year and make sure that I take the Revival week off and prep the car a little more in advance - having fed back my comments to the Revival team - I am advised that changes will be afoot - lets see |
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Last Edit: Sept 18, 2017 7:06:28 GMT by Deleted
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Mar 18, 2018 23:06:04 GMT
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 Barn storage now secured and available from the start of May - so will be able to store my classics / retros in better conditions in the future rather than have them brave the snow |
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Last Edit: Mar 18, 2018 23:08:00 GMT by Deleted
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Mar 18, 2018 23:29:14 GMT
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...but it offers opportunities for some awesome photo's
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vulgalour
Club Retro Rides Member
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Club RR Member Number: 146
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Mar 19, 2018 16:38:05 GMT
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Snow is about as regular as bin collections this year so even with storage there'll still be plenty of opportunity for snow pictures, I have no doubt.
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Mar 19, 2018 17:11:10 GMT
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Snow is about as regular as bin collections this year so even with storage there'll still be plenty of opportunity for snow pictures, I have no doubt. that could just be a sore point depending on the ineptitude/fiscal policy of your local council!! |
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating
'80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip
'97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:33:38 GMT
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My missus wont go anywhere in my old cars. Lucky chap!
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With the Jowett Car Club's annual rally being held over this coming weekend the usual circumstances dictated that any of my cars get sorted last - it's been stood outside in all weathers and not run since last September - with other things getting in the way - it's no concours queen but a representative example of the model with a used patina - far from perfect in presentation but not scruffy either which is just has well because that is exactly how I like it !  Quick check over first - I had checked & charged the battery last week, all the fluid levels were good, ignition bits were all clean, gapped & checked - I primed the fuel pump (mechanical) and with a full choke and a few turns it started straight up - I had left the handbrake off to prevent it seizing however when I went to move it the clutch had seized on - soon sorted I jacked the rear wheels off the ground and started the car in gear - then took it out of gear whilst running at which point the clutch freed itself Once in the workshop I removed the front wheels and ran them over to my tyre fitter   These are crossply's - Waymaster Premium - I don't what is premium about them - they are 5 years old have done circa 5k miles - loads of tread left in them and to be honest they don't handle that bad - but the sidewalls have all cracked - I replaced the rears last year for the same reason - if there is ever an advert for not buying tyres at the budget end of the market then this is it - I think they were about £70 each when I bought them - the Avon's that are replacing them are twice that  Next was the useless mid point exhaust mounting brackets - one of the rubber bobbins had split from it's base too - I made up 2 new brackets from some 20mm equal angle along with new rubber mountings  The exhaust travels through a aperture in the chassis just prior to the rear wheel - it tends to knock a little on all of the models - best cure to date that I have found is to wrap this section with a exhaust bandage - it just cushions any contact  More later |
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May 22, 2018 13:34:21 GMT
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it's no concours queen but a representative example of the model with a used patina - far from perfect in presentation but not scruffy either which is just has well because that is exactly how I like it ! maintained, not restored ! re: premium maybe its one of the other definitions for that noun. like the surcharge one, rather than superior quality one  p.s had any direct and intense UV on them ? |
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Last Edit: May 22, 2018 13:37:22 GMT by darrenh
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p.s had any direct and intense UV on them ?