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Jul 26, 2017 18:44:39 GMT
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Time for an update. After the last update I got distracted with another project I have been wanting to do for a while, namely getting a decent air compressor. I had been keeping an eye out on marktplaats for some time, and a decent spec machine turned up at a good price, only issue being it was too big for my car, and over an hours drive away But, 10 bar / 145 psi max pressure, 200 litre tank, and 400 lpm / 14 cfm. 3 phase, 4 hp. Now I didn't want it in the garage with me whilst I am working, but in the shed behind the garage. This way the noise will annoy the neighbours and not me Knock on effect of this was that I needed to run a 3phase connection out to the shed, and an air line back in. If you are going to do it, do it right, and the air line ended up being run in 25mm pvc pipe (rated to 12.5 bar), with 3 quick connect outlets spaced down the side of the garage, and a connection run out to the enclosed carport out the front. Between installing all the pipework and borrowing a trailer to go and pick up the compressor that took about 3 evenings and most of last saturday. Worth it for new toys though And back to the buggy, time to try and get this new screen to fit...
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Jul 26, 2017 18:55:11 GMT
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Now the condensed version of trying to make this screen fit, missing out the large amounts of swearing and despondency... Now the first problem, the bottom seal is not a great fit... I tried fitting it and just bending the rear lip out, but the angle was so extreme that the seal was pulling off the frame, and not touching the bonnet and the front. Not a good luck. So, out with the knife. This at least gets the seal pointing in roughly the right direction. Unf I did end up having to remake part of the dashboard as it wasn't going to work. Was fine with the old screen, but not this one, oh well... But it fits! kinda... bit of a gap under the seal, but I think a bit of mastic when I come to fit it for the last time, and it will do. Once the dash is wrapped I think it should look alright. Just got to find some decent vinyl from somewhere, ideally 2-way stretch to help with fitting the curves.
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Jul 26, 2017 19:03:24 GMT
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So with the screen fitted, and the dash built, time to turn my attention to the bodywork... The biggest issue here, other than the masses of cracks, the roller paint job, and the general abuse of multiple owners over the years, is the fact that the panels that the headlights sit in aren't actually flat to the front of the car. You can see how I had to put a load of spacers behind the light units to get them pointed in roughly the right direction. Problem is I have never really liked the way the front end looks with the round lights. So, do I go for the easy life, and just change the glass over for LHD and say sod it, or do I start digging into the front end and try to pull it all back into line and fit the modified wartburg lights I started on previously. One of the deciding factors will be when I can get it in for the roll cage to be fitted. If I am going to have weeks to wait for that I might as well have a go at the lights. Other than the painting and rewiring, the lights and cage are the two big things that will stop me getting it registered and on the road... Speed of getting it on the road, verses those ugly lights...
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eurogranada
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Jul 27, 2017 10:18:53 GMT
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Hey Sam,
Looking good! Is the screen thing (fit and moulding) a result of it being for a different type of buggy?
I'd definitely do the lights. Now you've shown in detail they are even worse than I first thought. I guess I'd be cutting the body at this point, lol. It's just a matter of deciding whether to cut from the inner edge to the outer and pull the panel forward a bit or the other way around, cutting from the outer to the inner and take out a small wedge and push the panel back to level it. I guess the approach depends on how you like the position of the front panels when compared to the bonnet. Pulling the panels forward a bit leaves the bonnet more recessed looking, the other way around just shortens the wings a little.
I'd be curious to see how you'd go about this. Glass fibre work is pretty quick work to do. It's the finish that takes time. But in my humble opinion it would be well worth it.
I hope the cage people can fit you in soonish as I'd like for you to be able to enjoy the buggy.
How did the dash turn out? Did you sand it already? I usually got my materials from Theuns near the hoogstraat (a sidestreet of it).
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Jul 27, 2017 11:25:49 GMT
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all cars after 1987 where fitted with rear seat belts by law
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Jul 27, 2017 12:22:43 GMT
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Hey Sam, Looking good! Is the screen thing (fit and moulding) a result of it being for a different type of buggy? I'd definitely do the lights. Now you've shown in detail they are even worse than I first thought. I guess I'd be cutting the body at this point, lol. It's just a matter of deciding whether to cut from the inner edge to the outer and pull the panel forward a bit or the other way around, cutting from the outer to the inner and take out a small wedge and push the panel back to level it. I guess the approach depends on how you like the position of the front panels when compared to the bonnet. Pulling the panels forward a bit leaves the bonnet more recessed looking, the other way around just shortens the wings a little. I'd be curious to see how you'd go about this. Glass fibre work is pretty quick work to do. It's the finish that takes time. But in my humble opinion it would be well worth it. I hope the cage people can fit you in soonish as I'd like for you to be able to enjoy the buggy. How did the dash turn out? Did you sand it already? I usually got my materials from Theuns near the hoogstraat (a sidestreet of it). The problems with the screen are a combination of it being for a different body (it's actually 1/2 inch too wide, I need to make some spacers still), and also made by EMPI, who originally made good quality parts, and now just sell a lot of chinese rubbish. The company I want to use for the cage are closed for vacation for the next two weeks, I will go visit once they are open again and try to get it booked in. So guess that means I have a couple of weeks to play with the lights. I don't want to pull it apart for paint until the cage is done and mounts fabricated. I think the first thing I will do is pull out some strengthening bars that have been added to the underside of the wings and remove all the lights. I think with some care I might be able to just pull most of it into line. How to hold it there is another matter. I also need to add something to brace the front to the chassis, as at the moment there is nothing supporting the body from the firewall forward. I gave the dash a very quick sand, good enough as it will be covered in foam and vinyl. I won't worry about that until the last of the fabrication work is done though, will only risk it getting messed up in the process.
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Jul 27, 2017 12:25:38 GMT
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all cars after 1987 where fitted with rear seat belts by law Not in the Netherlands as far as I know, they had to be fitted as of 1st Jan 1990, but only used from 1992. That said, I may yet add them if I can find a good way to fit them when I go speak to the cage guys.
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Jul 28, 2017 17:46:57 GMT
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How about either lose the lights and put a bull bar dune buggy bumper with head lights like spot lights mounted on it OR leave the lights where they are replace them with modern powerful ones and make some covers the same shape as the front of the wings with either black Perspex lenses or wire mesh over the lights so you cant see them or at least not as much OR make a rally night light bonnet mount cluster thing with round spots in it to kind of blend the head lights in a bit if that makes any sense.
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Jul 28, 2017 18:14:28 GMT
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Plenty of cars with recessed projector style lights that would allow you to change the shape of the wings to your own tastes if you wanted to. Plain lexan could be used to make covers if they were prone to weather damage.
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1988 DUTTON LEGERRA MK1 - SPARES DONOR 1989 DUTTON LEGERRA MK2 - CURRENT PROJECT 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 DUTTON PHAETON S2 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - PROJECT X DUTTON SIERRA S2 - Resting
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Jul 30, 2017 19:38:18 GMT
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To be honest, I really want to keep the main shape of the wing as is, it's a big part of the look of the buggy, and the majority of Rats have had the front end cut up to look more like a traditional buggy with deely bopper headlights, there aren't many around with the flat front anymore.
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Jul 30, 2017 19:42:38 GMT
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For the first time in many years, the front end is now actually attached to the chassis. Ever since I've had the buggy, and for who knows hoe long before that, there was nothing connecting the body to the chassis in front of the firewall. It meant it flexed a lot! So to fix that I have made a mount that goes from the top of the front beam, where the original beetle body would have mounted, up to the body, and it also goes forward and picks up where the bonnet bolts though to the wings at the front edge. It's taken a lot of flex out of the body, and it's only tacked together for the moment. Only slight issue is that the mount is actually trapped between the body and the beam Final welding will have to wait till I either split the beam from the chassis or the body from the chassis.
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Jul 30, 2017 19:47:04 GMT
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Turning to the lights then... sanding the paint back you can see how far I moved the front end last time to get it even vaguely in line. Got as far as making a template for where I think I want to mount the Wartburg headlamps. Waiting on another pair to be delivered to finish the modifications needed to mount them, before I start cutting too many holes. Going to move the indicators from the front to a pair of wing-top type. Need to change them anyway as my old ones aren't E marked. Certainly a better shape than the round ones, though I almost feel they are not wide enough, but think it will work in the end.
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Jul 30, 2017 20:50:42 GMT
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It strikes me that XJ-S lights would be about the right shape and size, although they're swept back a bit on the Jag. Just a thought if these don´t work out.
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eurogranada
Europe
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Jul 31, 2017 11:58:50 GMT
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Now why am I suddenly seeing this thing finished in large metalflake purple in my head, lol...
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Jul 31, 2017 13:48:06 GMT
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Originally it was the dark red / purple colour with red and silver flake over the top. Thinking I shall prob go for a black base with bright red flake over it this time around, or maybe a coloured base, not sure yet... Either way, red flake is the plan I had wanted to get it in paint soon, but shall see how long the fibreglass repairs take. Need to change the rear lights as well to add reverse and e-marked glass.
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79cord
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Glad you are intending to mount the lights from behind, with just a hole for the lens to poke through. Will certainly be much cleaner & would not be so obvious when you have adjust the headlight aim, bezel ring if possible could be mounted to the body to hide gaps. Any minimum distance requirement from headlights to indicators? Mk1 Capri indicator idea would suit. Even better a shaped clear lens or cut-out over a larger std. or generic truck/trailer indicator for the top-bottom taper to match the outer edge shape.
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Last Edit: Aug 1, 2017 9:53:56 GMT by 79cord
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Plan is to mount the light from behind and just have a hole for the lens to poke through, depending on how it looks I might look at some form of trim to go around the edge. The Wartburg they come from doesn't have a flat front panel, so the trim rings for these lights won't work. Shall see what it looks like, thinking a simple trim ring shouldn't be too difficult to knock up out of 'glass.
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set of quad light s from renault 11 , might look good , tidy work as usual
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Long time no update - Been making slow progress, but with holidays, an ultra-marathon, and life getting in the way, not as much as I would like! So, one job was to convert from long torsion bars to short bars on the rear suspension, might be of interest to johnthesparky . Now the issue here, for those that don't know beetles, is that the rear suspension uses a torsion bar set up, and on the later IRS cars the torsion bars stick out by about 20cm more than on the early cars. This cuts down the amount of clearance you have for big wheels, but gives a softer more comfortable ride... Now I don't care about the ride So, in order to fit the shorter torsion bars you have to use the early spring plates that connect from torsion bar to axle / swing arm, but the early ones are longer and wider. So, time to template: Early spring plate on the left, stock IRS plate in the centre, and CAD template on the right. You can just see the marks on the left plate where it needs to be cut and drilled. Not only is it too long, but its also too wide. You also have to make sure you get the holes in the right place, as that is what allows for adjustment of the tracking. Not obv is that on the other side of the plate there is a long tube sticking out of the late styple plate, and just a short tube on the early one. One thing to note, is that the tube that sticks out from the spring plates is different diameter on the early and the late ones, so you have to be careful in what you use as your reference point. In the end I double checked my markings by putting them side by side and running a square across them to make sure things lined up as they should. So, into the pillar drill and make a few holes, finished off with a selection of files. Then attack it with the death wheel, give it a clean, and a bit of paint... Modified early plate on the left, old late one on the right. Get it fitted up is easy, slide the torsion bar into the tube, new urethane inner bushing, and put the spring plate on. You can't slide it all the way on yet as the bump stop is in the way. First you have to get the pre-load set correctly so that the car sits level once its on the ground. This is done by rotating the spring plate relative to the torsion bar, and the torsion bar relative to the car. The torsion bar has different numbers of splines on the inner and outer ends, so by a combination of rotations you can get quite small changes in angle. I went with about 17° of pre-load, which is stock for a swing axle beetle, and seen as thats where the torsion bars came from, seemed like a good starting point. Once the car is fully built up and on the road I can add or remove preload to adjust the ride height / comfort as needed. With that done just a matter of jacking up the spring plate and sliding it all the way onto the torsion bar. Now of course as you do this the whole car lifts, especially on a half built buggy with no engine or gearbox. There just isn't enough weight to twist the torsion bar. So, my method is to put a chain around the shock absorber mount point, and down to the frame of the jack. That way the jack is both lifting the sping plate, and pulling down on the chassis at the same time. You can of course buy a tool for doing this, but well, I'm cheap and I had chain kicking around With the spring plate on, can fit the new outer bush, new cover, and try the wheels... They were the reason for all this hassle in the first place Big old appliance slotmags, and 32" BFG AT tyres, well have nothing modern here!
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heathrobinson
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I love that wheel & tyre combo, makes a fun toy absolutely nails!
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