foxy99
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Mar 28, 2017 23:09:52 GMT
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Hi guys. This is possibly a problem with no solution but here goes.... I left Jersey (Channel Islands) in May 1990 and took home with me a non-running 1976 Yamaha RD250C. I followed all the rules for exporting the vehicle from Jersey and surrendered the number (J53181) to their vehicle registration office (they 'recycle' numbers in Jersey so new vehicles sometimes have much older-looking numbers on them). Next step was to take it on ferry and take it off at Poole the next morning. I don't remember the date but it was a Saturday morning. I then took it thru Customs and had a laugh with the two uniformed officers who were trying to work out the import duty. iirc I bought the bike for £95 and the duty they calculated on that was so small they didn't bother taking it off me but gave me my papers leaving my mate and me free to head off for the train station. I'd paid a full fare for the bike on the ferry and train but no-one even checked for it on the train. We loaded it on ourselves with a ramp that sits at the platform. So - so far so good. Well this is where it goes downhill. We had a box on the table with crisp bags etc in it and when we got off I left the import papers in the box  So fast forward nearly 30 years and I'm thinking the bike will be on the road this year but how am I going to register it. There have been changes in the rules since 1990 and my understanding is you have to be able to provide import papers (NOVA?) or the vehicle is in limbo forever. I don't think there will be a quick or easy solution to this and I hate phoning places as I always get fobbed off so I'm planning on writing/emailing. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to start? If I approach the Jersey vehicle authorities they won't be able to confirm duties were paid but they might be able to confirm I owned it in Jersey and advised them I was exporting it. If I contact Customs being such a huge organisation will they even entertain checking records back that far? Anyone on here work for either of these departments? lol   nearly ready to ride again |
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Last Edit: Jan 8, 2018 23:10:55 GMT by foxy99
1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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Mar 29, 2017 16:02:12 GMT
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I'm pretty sure there wont be any duty to pay anyway, so...
Just fill in the nova application. All the questions you cant answer, just Leave blank.
Say you bought it last week, don't know who from.
Only answer what you can and only answer if it is the answer they want.
Then click submit.
Worked for us.
I'm pretty sure if there is no duty to pay anyway because if vehicle age or whatever then they don't care that you havent answered all the questions.
If it was a vehicle that did require duty to be paid then you would need to prove all the details so they can work out how much.
But iirc this is too old to need duty paid on it right?
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foxy99
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Mar 29, 2017 18:59:43 GMT
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Thanks VW. This seems to mirror the advice am getting on another forum.
Seems almost too easy!
I thought the whole system was pretty tight and you had to prove it was imported properly.
But then again they probably aren't that bothered about old bikes getting new registration numbers. It's more likely to be lost revenue that's the issue and as the bike cost me less than £100 it's not a big deal.
Having said that some old RD400s are selling for £3k-£4k now...
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Last Edit: Mar 29, 2017 19:10:04 GMT by foxy99
1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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Mar 29, 2017 19:28:47 GMT
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I just took this screenshot from gov site.  So, there is no vat to pay. As they know that no matter what the import situation is, there is no vat due, they don't care what you put on the form. It may even be automated, and due to age or mileage its just automatically registered on nova system. I don't know. But why should anyone care if you can prove where it came from so they can work out what you owe when its not possible to owe anything anyway. The nova system is there to stop you importing modern vehicles to bypass our vat system. They care not about old stuff, its just a formality we need to comply with. I cant remember, but I think you will need to be able to prove its date of manufacture and have a frame number but thats about it. |
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foxy99
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Mar 29, 2017 23:31:29 GMT
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Excellent. Cheers.
I've got the frame/engine numbers and can get dating certificate from RD Club. I'm an active contributor to that lol
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1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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Last Edit: Jan 13, 2018 15:13:10 GMT by foxy99
1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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glmogo
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Jan 10, 2018 20:23:47 GMT
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I’d remove some of the personal details???
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foxy99
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Jan 11, 2018 18:39:54 GMT
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I’d remove some of the personal details??? I couldn't be bothered altering all the pictures in Paint lol. Besides I can't see anyone being that interested in where I live etc. Thanks for the concern tho. Actually I did omit a picture of the letter with the NOVA ref on it. Just in case someone tried to use that after all my hard work  |
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Last Edit: Jan 11, 2018 20:41:03 GMT by foxy99
1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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Dez
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Jan 11, 2018 20:00:10 GMT
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I've found HMRC to be great with stuff like this. Always seem keen to help and never want any money for doing so.
It's weird them being so good when you're used to dealing with the DVLA when it comes to government bodies. 😆
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foxy99
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Jan 11, 2018 20:46:08 GMT
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I've found HMRC to be great with stuff like this. Always seem keen to help and never want any money for doing so. It's weird them being so good when you're used to dealing with the DVLA when it comes to government bodies. 😆 Hmmmm. I don't know what to say on this as I could write a book about it. I worked for HMRC for 23 years (Tax office) and was sacked a couple of years ago. Simplest thing I could say, I guess, is that they were very 'customer-focused'. As an employee you could get into a hell of a lot of trouble if you didn't tell the customer what they wanted to hear. Even if you were correct. So in this case I guess an irate unreasonable customer could scream and harass an officer into giving them a a reference but I feel like I did it within the rules and didn't use any leverage other than tell the truth |
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Last Edit: Jan 11, 2018 20:46:46 GMT by foxy99
1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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foxy99
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Jan 13, 2018 15:21:03 GMT
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So at glmogo's suggestion I've blotted out some of my personal dets from the scans of the NOVA1 application I made. This gave me the opportunity to do same to the actual confirmation 'letter' I got from HMRC. This has a ref on it (currently starting 18E for online applications and 18P for paper) which you can then submit to DVLA when applying for a UK registration number with form V55/5. Interestingly the V55/5 doesn't have a field on it for the NOVA ref so you'd need to send it attached. This could cause confusion as most ppl would understandably start the process with V55/5 instead of getting the NOVA ref. Wonder if DVLA will ever amend the form or guidance to explain this....  email letter from HMRC gives NOVA ref to confirm vehicle cleared for VAT etc |
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Last Edit: Jan 13, 2018 15:22:54 GMT by foxy99
1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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Keef
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Just in the process of importing an Maxi from Belgium. NOVA online worked for me.  Just got to wait for full vehicle details then V55/5 to DVLA. Hopefully I can claim "historic" or "off road" to save myself £55? |
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Jan 14, 2018 11:20:30 GMT
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Nothing really to add except that's a very nice example of an RD250 - great little bikes - did you do a resto thread on it anywhere?
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Jan 14, 2018 11:40:19 GMT
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Hi bstardchild. Yeah it's a nice bike but I think I prefer the slightly earlier ones - with round tanks but I think mine isthe besyt of the coffin-tank era. The later (D onwards) models were a bit modern-looking for my tastes. I've not done a thread on it on this forum but got a long-running one on it on the Aircooled RD forum. It's more of a rebuild than a resto. Only real cosmetics done were getting the frame etc powder coated. The rest was clean & repair really. Big issue just now is something called a leakdown-test. 2-stroke engine need to have a gas tight cranckase/lower cylinder area (as well as the usual top-end seal) and you can buy kits to pressurise the whole lot to check for air leaks. My problem is that the bungs in the kit are fkn leaking so I can't do a test. It's driving my fkn nuts. They appear to be 3D-printed and are porous  |
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Last Edit: Jan 14, 2018 11:44:05 GMT by foxy99
1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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Jan 14, 2018 11:46:51 GMT
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Just in the process of importing an Maxi from Belgium. NOVA online worked for me. Just got to wait for full vehicle details then V55/5 to DVLA. Hopefully I can claim "historic" or "off road" to save myself £55? Excellent. I take it you had all the import paperwork etc. What kind of condition is the Maxi in bodywise? Funny it coming frm Belgium. You think of the Maxi as such a British machine that you don't imagine them being used anywhere else |
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1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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bstardchild
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Jan 14, 2018 13:50:31 GMT
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Hi bstardchild. Yeah it's a nice bike but I think I prefer the slightly earlier ones - with round tanks but I think mine isthe besyt of the coffin-tank era. The later (D onwards) models were a bit modern-looking for my tastes. - I grew up with early Yamaha two strokes, YAS3 (125 twin), CS5E (affectionately known as the purple plank because it was very purple) plus a whole bunch of the early RD's The orange peril (RD200 that got me from Kent to Norfolk and back to Kent again every weekend)  Unfortunately we were not kind to some of them - the 125 learner law came in and rendered many good bikes above 125 but below 250cc worthless overnight - having a full motorcycle licence it became cost effective to buy, use and abuse and replace with another I still own a Yamaha two stroke albeit wrapped in another frame - it was all complete and usable but it's been stripped down and now it's a resto project for one day  |
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foxy99
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Jan 14, 2018 16:15:18 GMT
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No way. You don't come across many ppl who even know what those bikes are. I've got an AS3 and first RD125 (pre A suffix). Also got a CS3E.
The CS5 is a lovely looking bike tbf.
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1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP
1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up
1984 VW Polo breadvan
1970s Yamaha Twins (4)
1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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Keef
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Jan 14, 2018 18:55:29 GMT
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I take it you had all the import paperwork etc. No. No paperwork at all! What kind of condition is the Maxi in bodywise? Not bad.  Funny it coming frm Belgium. You think of the Maxi as such a British machine that you don't imagine them being used anywhere else Yep. Plenty here. I just fancied something a bit different and a LHD one with a full webesto sunroof seemed to fit the bill.  |
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Last Edit: Jan 14, 2018 19:00:34 GMT by Keef
Keef - Sheerness Kent UK 1962 A40 Farina MkII Saloon (Yoko) 1965 VDP 1100 MkI Saloon (JJ) 1969 Austin Maxi 1500 (Wilma) 1974 Austin Maxi 1750 (Kory) 1979 Austin Morris Maxi 1750HL (Julie) 1979 Austin Maxi 1750HLS (Kevin) 1980 Austin Maxi 1750 (Mork) 1981 Austin Maxi 1750HL auto (InKOGnito) < www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/albums > ========= |
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bstardchild
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Jan 14, 2018 20:35:41 GMT
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No way. You don't come across many ppl who even know what those bikes are. I've got an AS3 and first RD125 (pre A suffix). Also got a CS3E. The CS5 is a lovely looking bike tbf. You don't forget model numbers that you grew up with and I agree the early bikes with the round tanks are very pretty I do however harbour an ambition to own another RD400F in white and red - I home tuned one years ago and equipped it with a set of allspeeds and it was a mad mad thing Like this one  |
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