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Feb 17, 2018 10:09:36 GMT
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Have to admire your patience. I enjoy the metalwork part, getting panel fit as good as possible. The final few percent of prep though, the bit that makes the critical difference between a 10 foot paint job and perfection...... Usually I choose a light colour to help disguise my lack of patience. The next one is going to be Damson though..... Nick Nick - You will probably have see a doctor and have some patience pills prescribed - darker colours will show defects to the eye has much has someone pointing a finger at them - I appreciate that to most forum readers my work will look like it gets completed quickly but that's just because I am in the workshop 50 + hours a week and not just attempting to slot in what hours I can has the day job / family commitments allow - compared to large bodyshop methods / standards I am slow - and that is quite intentional - I like to take my time and achieve the right results - I am allergic to having to do things twice - for most owners the urge to rush getting the paint on when they get to final prep is magnetic - my advice has always been don't rush and be methodical with your prep |
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Last Edit: Feb 17, 2018 10:11:35 GMT by Deleted
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Feb 17, 2018 11:31:25 GMT
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I also think these days there is far to much ‘information’ available to those of us who for a better term of phrase ‘ know nothing’.
Ask a question on any media and you’ll get many differing answers, and being clueless you just feel even more inadequate as you don't have the basic knowledge to filter out the bad advice ...... and when you get 2 or more ‘experts’ arguing about whatever subject it is, the beginner has no chance
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Feb 17, 2018 12:32:14 GMT
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I also think these days there is far to much ‘information’ available to those of us who for a better term of phrase ‘ know nothing’. Ask a question on any media and you’ll get many differing answers, and being clueless you just feel even more inadequate as you don't have the basic knowledge to filter out the bad advice ...... and when you get 2 or more ‘experts’ arguing about whatever subject it is, the beginner has no chance I can only but agree with you - firstly you will always get preference to certain methods along with an alliance to certain products & brands from individuals - this occurs has has much in the trade has it occurs outside it - for the vast majority of the bodyshop trade the methods & choice of materials is dictated by one single element and that is time / speed which it turn dictates cost / expense. Outside of the trade it becomes a wider field with some owners lacking knowledge and using materials purely on a cost basis rather than a performance & quality basis. I would never call myself an expert however, I do retain extensive experience of vehicle restoration panel & paintwork, you will always get certain so called experts, keyboard warriors etc on forums - that hold some experience on the subject matter - has to if that experience would stand up in the professional world is another thing. I use methods & materials that produce the right results for me & my clients - they are not suited to everyone's ethics, requirements or budgets, maybe the best way to filter out the 'too much information' / 'I know better than him' etc is to look at the build threads and the quality of the work held within them - I will help advise anyone that needs it - I hope that the restoration threads that I post inspire others, provokes the questions of 'how do I' & 'why do it this way' (I certainly get my fair share of PM's from readers that are advice seeking on the subject matters) |
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Feb 17, 2018 15:53:58 GMT
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To sidetrack a little, i have had to do an ‘emergency’ repair to the kitchen floor today,now i’m not a builder,although i have worked alongside the industry since 1999 so i pick things up,but this was out of my league, i could have asked on facebook etc,gotten loads of advice,probably conflicting ...... so went to see neighbour who is a builder,asked his advice,he told me what needed doing and how t9 do it.
Sometimes its easier to find someone you trust and ask them!
Bit like on here, those giving advice mostly have builld threads up, you can tell if they know they can back up their words ,,,so to speak!
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Feb 17, 2018 15:58:04 GMT
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 And that would have had me quietly sobbing in the corner ......... i simply do not have the patience to even consider doing something like that. Proper craftsmanship. If i had a hat,i’d take It off! |
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Feb 19, 2018 20:03:31 GMT
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And that would have had me quietly sobbing in the corner ......... i simply do not have the patience to even consider doing something like that. Proper craftsmanship. If i had a hat,i’d take It off! I have a selection of unused flat caps - I could always send you one  |
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Feb 19, 2018 20:16:20 GMT
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Does it come with a Whippet?
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Feb 19, 2018 20:20:20 GMT
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So onto final paint prep - I have started to get the loose panels sanded back ready for paint  Not happy with some of the deep pitting that was still showing through the polyester - so I am just catching up with that by applying a minor skim of polyester glaze filler  I wanted to get the workshop preparation sorted - with the one workshop / no spray booth situation that I have it means utilising the same work area for everything - I always like to have a really good delouse of all the ceiling & wall areas prior to a major painting session - no end of dust / overspray / cobwebs were trailing all over the place   So with the extractor on full I set to with the airline & blow gun - small set of steps to ensure I could reach everything - dust mask on and worked from the back of the workshop to the front All my workshop kit with exception of the sheet metal folder is on industrial casters - so it can all be pulled away from the walls and a proper job made of the delousing   Now looking clean & very dust free   I have the remaining panels namely 4 doors and the spare wheel flap to flat back for paint - once done the main body & doors can be sprayed with the colour - but should have all of the van painted this week - I have little running about to do first but it will very quickly come together now |
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Feb 19, 2018 20:28:37 GMT
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What is the piece of equipment in picture 6 to the left of the acetylene torch?
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Feb 19, 2018 20:29:26 GMT
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Does it come with a Whippet? It's the one thing I lack - I have Sid the cat though but he is my quality control inspector so I cant really loan him out  |
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Feb 19, 2018 20:38:35 GMT
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What is the piece of equipment in picture 6 to the left of the acetylene torch? It's a 'Garbo' box pan sheet metal folder - great little bit of kit for folding sheet metal up with - can be used to make up box sections / radius edges on panels etc - however - I have outgrown it - it will only accommodate widths of 600mm - fine for most users but I need something that I can do door bottoms / door skin repairs with - most doors are 750mm - 1200mm wide - so the Garbo will be up for sale a little later this year when a new state of the art sheet metal folder arrives  |
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Feb 19, 2018 21:08:36 GMT
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Ok thank you for the explanation.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:53:38 GMT
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You'll re- Greta selling that!
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Feb 22, 2018 22:32:22 GMT
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Final push towards paint today - I continued to flat the loose panels back  Initially with the DA and then went over the large flatter areas with a block  Then applied seam sealer to the return edges where the door skin return meets the ash frame of the door   Also sealed the flanged edge where the door skin had been repaired on the inner side  Removed the first line of masking from the roof trim / gutter edge    Then replaced it with a edge tape  This is great stuff made by 3M and gives a super sharp edge to any paint termination point - ideal for two tone paint finishes etc and the paint will not creep under the edge of the tape like it does with masking tape - its available in various widths  Then remasked all the lower sections / chassis / wheels etc - I just need to mask the underside of roof area in the morning - I know it's not seen once the head lining goes in but to just allow the underlining to get covered in paint is against my religion  And primed any small areas of bare metal / screw heads on the roof trims & gutters etc    This will just need a light key applying to it in the morning with a medium scotchbrite Hung what loose panels I could so that these can go into colour at the same time   I don't have room to hang the front doors so I shall have to do these after the first batch have been done |
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tristanh
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Feb 22, 2018 23:46:30 GMT
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You'll re- Greta selling that! I see what you did there... Lol |
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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vulgalour
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Exciting~
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Grumpy,
Are you using suction feed, gravity feed, pressure cup spray guns, or a combination? Touchup gun for spotting in primer?
Looking good, enjoying the seminar,
Lance
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the anticipation is killing me!
looking really good over there!
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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Grumpy, Are you using suction feed, gravity feed, pressure cup spray guns, or a combination? Touchup gun for spotting in primer? Looking good, enjoying the seminar, Lance All my spray guns are gravity feed and have been for the past 15 years - good quality professional spray guns are relatively inexpensive in todays market - I will post a pic later - my primer where small areas are concerned is a good quality professional aerosol - you will find this is commonplace in all bodyshops - it offers convenience & speed plus it's a very economical process when compared to mixing primer, using a spray gun then having to clean the gun etc once completed |
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glenanderson
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Feb 23, 2018 15:55:32 GMT
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Yes, despite the initial appearance of expense, it’s often way cheaper to use rattle cans than to do it “properly”, especially if you’re factoring in time as a cost too. In much the same way as it’s not worth spending an hour of your time and £2 worth of thinners to clean a £1 paint brush. You can get astonishingly good results with aerosols too, if you put the requisite efforts into the prep.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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