BT
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Feb 17, 2017 13:19:49 GMT
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This. Had it for a few days to make a film. Fat, unreliable and vulgar. Glad to give it back. Strangely you're not the first one I have heard this from. three chaps I know have had and disliked these. One got rid pretty much instantly, the other gave it to his nephew because he was that disappointed with it and finally the last chap got rid of his V12 in favour of a panamera. I've always really liked them as well which sucks.
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Feb 17, 2017 13:23:46 GMT
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Volkswagen Bora. Boring Boring Boring car. Parked it at waitrose and lost it in a sea of identical silver bellybutton cars. Depressed myself thinking "What have I done wrong in my life to deserve this misery"
Then the electric window went down and never came back up, and then the fusebox set itself on fire. Scrapped it. Didn't even glance back when it was taken away.
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fad
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Feb 17, 2017 13:46:22 GMT
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For me it was a covin Porsche 911 Turbo, not any just one specific car. I was going to say Z3 2.8 or my old volvo s40 T4 which promised performance and handling but let me down, but the covin wins hands down. i had to go and pick it up for my dad, it had some body damage and he was in composites and got the gig. It looked fantastic, guards red, all the right badges in all the right places, interior was spot on, correct seats and gauges etc, it looked ,well, 'right' .Someone had spent a lot of cash getting the car this way. but when it came to the driving it all went wrong, it was beetle based as many are, still sporting the original beetle running gear except for one major alteration.Out went the flat 4 and in its place a hoofing great 3.0l essex v6. Whoever had installed this hadnt bothered with handling and braking, it was all still beetle 1200 stuff. It didnt stop, small discs, no servo and cut down pedals. Touch the brakes in a corner and the fronts locked up it didnt go, even with the v6 , the torque had overwhelmed the gearbox and you needed to double declutch it didnt steer, with the weight in the back it could understeer in a straight line under acceleration.accelerate in a corner and it would understeer wildly. for me it promised so much and disappointed so well V6? Someone didnt do things right lol All show no go ot would seem.
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Feb 17, 2017 14:01:07 GMT
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VW Bay window pop top camper. Woefully slow, thirsty, freezing cold in the front in winter, on quiet nights you could hear it rust, and when the frost in the roof warmed up it rained on the inside. Hateful things. Mazda Bongo beats them in every way (except engine removal, which on the the VW is thankfully easy, as it broke)
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74 Mk1 Escort 1360, 1971 Vauxhall Victor SL2000 Estate.
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bortaf
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Feb 17, 2017 14:14:36 GMT
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Mk3 golf, after working on a lot of Mk1 and 2s when i finaly got a Mk3 in wow what a pile ! ok it wasn't terrable in a marina or alegro way but my god VW lost thier way there, you see an alegro looks a bit curse word and is better than it looks but golfs were allways the benchmark that escorts and the like (fwd) tried to get to (and failed) but come the Mk3 it really felt like VW had built a car DOWN to just be better than the Mk5 escort which was so woefull that although the golf was better is was still cr@p, thats the thing, the escort didn't really disapoint, it looked bland and was but the mk3 golf SHOULD have been so much better
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R.I.P photobucket
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Feb 17, 2017 14:25:24 GMT
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I had an auto Boxster S for three years from '03 to '06. It is a really good car but as was mentioned earlier in the thread it wasn't really usable most places. I've thought to buy another but always back out. It was good but disappointing.
Most disappointing was a 412 I bought in 2000, ok as a cruiser but my 928 did everything better for a lot less money. Fellow I sold it to parted it for the motor.
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Feb 17, 2017 14:33:56 GMT
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I'll bite: I bought an utterly immaculate 21,000 mile Golf GTi Mk1. It's place in history is undeniable and it is by no means 'bad', but I found it terribly dull and couldn't bond with it. In contrast (as I run and duck for cover...), I found the first PAS-equipped Ford Ka I owned hilarious fun, albeit quite thirsty.
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dan
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Feb 17, 2017 14:45:45 GMT
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Citroen Cactus I love the look, design intent and ethos of these so had to top of the range fully spec one over a weekend for a test drive. I've can't think of anything more tinny, flimsy and deeply unsatisfying to drive. It had a horrible engine, gimmicky touchscreen and was a soul crushing experience. This thing had an £18k price tag too.
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thebaron
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Feb 17, 2017 14:47:25 GMT
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Boxster S and RS4 B7 Bland is a good description I'll bite on this one also. Lot's of biting in this thread. I have a B7 RS4 at the moment so interested in this view. I find it a lot of fun but it does have 2 very different characters. If you leave all the systems on and shift below 6000 then it is quite inert. Everything off and keep the revs between 6000 and 8500 and it is wonderful. The steering is a joy, the back moves around on throttle, the power immediate, the sounds glorious and while the brakes are skittish they are hugely impressive. ......I am aware I'm definitely biased though.
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Feb 17, 2017 14:51:51 GMT
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Had to move a mates E30 320i Manual for him when he had a non car related accident. It wasn't fast, it wasn't nice to drive, it wasn't good on fuel & it wasn't well built. That said I haven't driven any of the competitors car's from that era, so if that was the best option the others must have been curse word.
Also had a 1991 Mk2 Golf Gti 8v, most unreliable car I have owned, but it was a complete shed tbh.
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Feb 17, 2017 14:54:16 GMT
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Boxster S and RS4 B7 Bland is a good description I'll bite on this one also. Lot's of biting in this thread. I have a B7 RS4 at the moment so interested in this view. I find it a lot of fun but it does have 2 very different characters. If you leave all the systems on and shift below 6000 then it is quite inert. Everything off and keep the revs between 6000 and 8500 and it is wonderful. The steering is a joy, the back moves around on throttle, the power immediate, the sounds glorious and while the brakes are skittish they are hugely impressive. ......I am aware I'm definitely biased though. Is yours a saloon? I couldnt get the back end to step out on my Avant unless it was wet. It certainly inspired confidence when you pushed on but it never felt on the edge. I guess its just because it does everything relatively well in a tidy way, it was all just abit boring really. I put a Tubi Rumore exhaust on mine, that was the loudest car I've ever heard but it did my tits in and I took it off after a month.
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thebaron
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Feb 17, 2017 15:07:04 GMT
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I'll bite on this one also. Lot's of biting in this thread. I have a B7 RS4 at the moment so interested in this view. I find it a lot of fun but it does have 2 very different characters. If you leave all the systems on and shift below 6000 then it is quite inert. Everything off and keep the revs between 6000 and 8500 and it is wonderful. The steering is a joy, the back moves around on throttle, the power immediate, the sounds glorious and while the brakes are skittish they are hugely impressive. ......I am aware I'm definitely biased though. Is yours a saloon? I couldnt get the back end to step out on my Avant unless it was wet. It certainly inspired confidence when you pushed on but it never felt on the edge. I guess its just because it does everything relatively well in a tidy way, it was all just abit boring really. I put a Tubi Rumore exhaust on mine, that was the loudest car I've ever heard but it did my tits in and I took it off after a month. Mine is an Avant as well. I do take your point about not really being on edge. I deal with snow a lot over here so the all season capability is great for me. Lot's of hairpins and switchbacks up in the passes here and that's where I could get the back to move around. Downhill, hard on the brakes and once the nose is in the back will come around on the power. Nowhere near a much as the e39 M5 I had before it but enough to be pleasing. I think because I have been driving a number of big powerful (but lazier) V8s the past 4 years it feels nimbler to me at present. I can imagine if you came from something light and frantic it would feel heavy. I run the standard exhaust with the flaps open. I'm about the have the precats gutted for some flow but I never think it's not loud enough. I can imagine a tubi being crazy. I never get tired of listening to the V8 over 8k though. Matter of interest, what did you change into after it?
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Feb 17, 2017 15:23:36 GMT
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Is yours a saloon? I couldnt get the back end to step out on my Avant unless it was wet. It certainly inspired confidence when you pushed on but it never felt on the edge. I guess its just because it does everything relatively well in a tidy way, it was all just abit boring really. I put a Tubi Rumore exhaust on mine, that was the loudest car I've ever heard but it did my tits in and I took it off after a month. Mine is an Avant as well. I do take your point about not really being on edge. I deal with snow a lot over here so the all season capability is great for me. Lot's of hairpins and switchbacks up in the passes here and that's where I could get the back to move around. Downhill, hard on the brakes and once the nose is in the back will come around on the power. Nowhere near a much as the e39 M5 I had before it but enough to be pleasing. I think because I have been driving a number of big powerful (but lazier) V8s the past 4 years it feels nimbler to me at present. I can imagine if you came from something light and frantic it would feel heavy. I run the standard exhaust with the flaps open. I'm about the have the precats gutted for some flow but I never think it's not loud enough. I can imagine a tubi being crazy. I never get tired of listening to the V8 over 8k though. Matter of interest, what did you change into after it? The engine lacks mid range which kills the drive I think, more torque would be a big improvement. A V8 shouldnt need redlined everywhere to get the most out of it, 5 pot RS3's walk past it. I changed to a Range Rover I wish I hadnt
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thebaron
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Feb 17, 2017 15:38:06 GMT
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Mine is an Avant as well. I do take your point about not really being on edge. I deal with snow a lot over here so the all season capability is great for me. Lot's of hairpins and switchbacks up in the passes here and that's where I could get the back to move around. Downhill, hard on the brakes and once the nose is in the back will come around on the power. Nowhere near a much as the e39 M5 I had before it but enough to be pleasing. I think because I have been driving a number of big powerful (but lazier) V8s the past 4 years it feels nimbler to me at present. I can imagine if you came from something light and frantic it would feel heavy. I run the standard exhaust with the flaps open. I'm about the have the precats gutted for some flow but I never think it's not loud enough. I can imagine a tubi being crazy. I never get tired of listening to the V8 over 8k though. Matter of interest, what did you change into after it? The engine lacks mid range which kills the drive I think, more torque would be a big improvement. A V8 shouldnt need redlined everywhere to get the most out of it, 5 pot RS3's walk past it. I changed to a Range Rover I wish I hadnt I understand where you're coming from but it's exactly the need to work it that makes it exciting for me. A Golf R is as fast in the real world but I'll keep my manual high revving low torque V8 as I'm a Luddite that way.
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tdk
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Feb 17, 2017 15:42:15 GMT
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This. Had it for a few days to make a film. Fat, unreliable and vulgar. Glad to give it back. So how do you go on with this? I assume that whoever lends the motor expects it to be waxed lyrical about. So how do you say, "Actually, it's a dog." and still hope to get more in the future? I can see how the big boys get away with it, they're big, but what about you guys? We are the "big boys" Actually, I try not to talk about the car when writing/filming. To me, modern cars are boring - it's the engineering, the people and the adventures which appeal to me.
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Feb 17, 2017 15:44:15 GMT
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This. Had it for a few days to make a film. Fat, unreliable and vulgar. Glad to give it back. Agree with you there. I drove a V10 one on a track day. Didnt like it. Nissan GTR was loads better. V10 one? Know what you mean about the Vanquish though, just doesn't do anything to justify it's price tag or place the the market. The new S version improves things, but the DB11 is leagues better in every way (except vulgarity I guess). Oddly the same engine in a Vantage V12S is a fantasticly engaging car. Totally falwed, but I can't help but love them. Anyway, getting back to the thread, I've driven a lot of curse word cars, but very few have been less than I expected. Suzuki Alto oddly sicks with me as far worse than I expected (and my expectation was low, really low!) But it's usually the more expensive modern stuff that I expect to be better than it is. Retro wise, and many will kill me for this, I'm yet to drive a Mini that I'd want to own longer than it took to get my money back. This may be linked to hours welding one back in my student days, or due to swearing constantly whilst trying to fix them. But even the go kart handling has never won me over, guess the are some things you'll never get. The biggest overall let down for me was a Ferrari 599 GTB though. Massively objectively capable but just left me cold. One of those hero cars you're told are meant to be the most amazing things on 4 wheels ever made, but it just didn't seem like it to me. Its interesting how a lot of the stuff coming up is modern. Think cars have lost a lot of character over the last few decades so they're not so easy to forgive anymore. Amazingly what you'll forgive if a car has character.
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Feb 17, 2017 16:04:01 GMT
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I've never really driven anything that was cracked up to be more than a sensible family car, however I was severely disappointed when upon purchasing my 74 Beetle it didn't go like the clappers, or drive itself, or wee oil on those who displeased me.
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fad
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Feb 17, 2017 16:27:14 GMT
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Agree with you there. I drove a V10 one on a track day. Didnt like it. Nissan GTR was loads better. V10 one? Know what you mean about the Vanquish though, just doesn't do anything to justify it's price tag or place the the market. The new S version improves things, but the DB11 is leagues better in every way (except vulgarity I guess). Oddly the same engine in a Vantage V12S is a fantasticly engaging car. Totally falwed, but I can't help but love them. Anyway, getting back to the thread, I've driven a lot of curse word cars, but very few have been less than I expected. Suzuki Alto oddly sicks with me as far worse than I expected (and my expectation was low, really low!) But it's usually the more expensive modern stuff that I expect to be better than it is. Retro wise, and many will kill me for this, I'm yet to drive a Mini that I'd want to own longer than it took to get my money back. This may be linked to hours welding one back in my student days, or due to swearing constantly whilst trying to fix them. But even the go kart handling has never won me over, guess the are some things you'll never get. The biggest overall let down for me was a Ferrari 599 GTB though. Massively objectively capable but just left me cold. One of those hero cars you're told are meant to be the most amazing things on 4 wheels ever made, but it just didn't seem like it to me. Its interesting how a lot of the stuff coming up is modern. Think cars have lost a lot of character over the last few decades so they're not so easy to forgive anymore. Amazingly what you'll forgive if a car has character. Sorry 12. It was the v10 R8 the mossus had a go in. I don't remember it all that well. Too many cylinders for a start. Like I said the GTR stood out from everything I drove that day.
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Feb 17, 2017 16:27:48 GMT
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Facelift e46 330cd. Was so charicterless it absorbed it from those who entered its dull cabin. I though a remap would improve the experience, although it was fast, I couldn't wait to get rid of it.
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1996 Golf GTi Colour Concept, 1.8T 20v. 1993 316 Touring, M20B25 Turbo (Ongoing).
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fad
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Feb 17, 2017 16:28:00 GMT
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I've never really driven anything that was cracked up to be more than a sensible family car, however I was severely disappointed when upon purchasing my 74 Beetle it didn't go like the clappers, or drive itself, or wee oil on those who displeased me. Chould have bought a crappy old Camero instead. ;-)
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