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ChasR
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As a fellow S54 owner I am interested to see how this gets along .
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dbdb
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I imagine the old BM will be mighty feisty when it has all that power!
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I would love to do something similar...there is an old 320 down the road tucked away behind this guys house......
JP
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I know its spelled Norman Luxury Yacht, but its pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove!
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ChasR
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Jan 10, 2017 11:02:00 GMT
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I will be honest, I thought about this kind of project for a while!
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Jan 10, 2017 13:36:17 GMT
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Ian
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Jan 10, 2017 14:54:45 GMT
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Will be watching this one, such a great engine, and love an E21!
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Jan 10, 2017 18:40:29 GMT
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More catching up now, this time the gearbox! Now, obviously the E21 drivetrain won't be able to handle nearly 3x the original power output, so will need to be replaced. There are a few options, the best probably being the ZF 5 speed found in E36 328 tourings, E46 328 and 330s. Its more than strong enough and just about fits in the E21 tunnel. But the more I thought about it, the more I wanted the 6 speed gearbox! The only thing putting me off was the price, then I happened upon an E36 M3 Evo SMG gearbox for just £70!! The SMG system is a bit strange, in that is uses the same Getrag 6 speed gearbox as the manual cars, but controlled by an ECU. Because the gear linkage is controlled by a computer, the SMG boxes don't have any of the pins and springs that give the gear linkage 'feel' and layout the 'H' pattern that you feel when changing gears. To convert an SMG box to manual, you simply need to add these pins and springs. One way of doing this is to take the SMG bellhousing and machine the holes needed for the pins and add them this way, alternately you find a scrap manual gearbox and swap the bellhousings over! Eventually I found a scrap E46 M3 manual gearbox and set about swapping the bell housing to my good, 60K mile SMG box: Here is the 2 bell housings side by side, can you spot the difference? This is a closeup of the SMG, notice the cast lumps? On the manual this is where the shift pins sit Here is the manual, see the addition of a bearing to the arm, and 2 pins in the casting? this is what gives resistance as you move the gear stick left - right, along with the spring. Another advantage of the E36 evo gearbox is it uses a 10 spline input shaft which is shared with loads of other BMWs, whereas the E46 uses an 11 spline input shaft and is the only car in BMWs range to do so. This basically means I can use clutch kits and flywheels for M50/52/54/S50 cars, which tend to be cheaper than E46 parts. E36 10 spline: E46 11 spline: Sorry for all the words and boring pictures, but i love all this nerdy technical stuff :lol: I promise the next update will be more interesting!!
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Ian
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Jan 10, 2017 19:09:54 GMT
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I like the details as well, as you mentioned the splines on the gearboxs, could I use a E46 five speed box on my E36 328, or would this be an eleven spline?
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jelmerc31
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Ja mar ik bin net benaud!
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Jan 10, 2017 19:19:22 GMT
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This is a great project! I just sold my S38B38 powered E28..
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1983 Datsun Laurel C31 3.0 V6 24v turbo--> 4.5 V8 32v 1986 Nissan Laurel C32 2.8 diesel 1984 Nissan Patrol 160 2.8i L6
1984 BMW E28 3.8 M5 sold 1987 Alfa Romeo 75 T.S sold 1985 Alfa Romeo 90 3.0 V6 sold 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Cummins turbo diesel sold 1978 Dodge D300 Cummins turbo diesel sold 1985 Nissan Patrol 3.3 TD sold 1988 Alfa Romeo 75 2.5 V6 sold 1993 Alfa Romeo 75 1.8i.e sold 1986 Alfa Romeo 75 1.8 turbo sold 1984 Nissan Patrol 3.3 D sold
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Jan 10, 2017 19:29:50 GMT
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I like the details as well, as you mentioned the splines on the gearboxs, could I use a E46 five speed box on my E36 328, or would this be an eleven spline? Yes, as far as i know it was only the E46 M3 that had the 11 spline gearbox. E46 328/330 ZF five speed is the same 10 spline input as your E36, in fact its the same box used in the E36 M3 3.0 and 328 touring ( and a bunch of 5 series'). FUN FACT: the same ZF box came in the E34 525TDS. This is fun because that engine sat at the same angle as the old M20, therefore if you have a big power M20 an E34 diesel gearbox will bolt up to it, sit at the correct angle and not blow up that often. Imagine what I could do if i didn't fill my brain with all this useless car info!!
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Ian
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Jan 10, 2017 19:32:52 GMT
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I thought I was bad, my car knowledge is more general and not as detailed.
Can't say it often helps in pub quizzes.
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Jan 10, 2017 19:42:57 GMT
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Hahah, I swear this is only stuff i've researched for various projects, i'm not THAT bad
One pub quiz I was at, the picture round we had to name cars based on a picture. About the only time i've done well in a pub quiz!
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Jan 10, 2017 20:00:25 GMT
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Excellent. I had an m3 with the s54 it is quite an engine, I really want one stuffed in a Capri.
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1994 BMW 525i touring 2004 BMW Z4 sorn and broken 1977 Ford Escort 1982 Ford Capri getting restored 1999 Mazda B2500 daily driver.
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Bigdoors
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Jan 10, 2017 20:26:22 GMT
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Great stuff. Been thinking about doing the same to mine when the 02 is finished. Be keeping an eye on this one.
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Jan 10, 2017 21:04:17 GMT
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Please keep the tech stuff coming. I really enjoy it (for some unknown reason).
At least now when, inevitably, the question "Which is the only BMW with an 11 spline gearbox?" comes up down the Ex-pat's Arms Quiz'n'Bingo night, I'll be right in there.
Never been a big BMW fan but I've bookmarked this one.
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Jan 10, 2017 22:07:12 GMT
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Pass the popcorn.... :-)
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fer4l
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Jan 10, 2017 22:20:33 GMT
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Likewise. Though (while I love them both duly separated) pubs and quizzes are not meant to be conjoined in any way imho! Cheers Matt
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Jan 13, 2017 13:04:16 GMT
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Moving on, obviously the old M20 has to go and I also want to clean up the engine bay somewhat. That will mean moving the fusebox inside the car (and probably replacing it with a blade fuse box), battery will end up in the boot and removing that eyesore of a brake servo! Also since I plan on mounting the new engine at the same angle as the M20, I made a mockup 'engine' by mounting the S54 head to the M20 block. Off with the M20 head first! Then the S54 head placed on top. The head bolt spacing is actually the same length-ways, but the S54's head bolts are wider apart. Still, i could get 2 head bolts in which is enough to keep it there. I also used some head bolts and cardboard to space the head up, as the S54 block is 10 or 12mm taller than the M20 With the 'engine' in, i could start looking at exhaust manifold routing, space for the airbox, radiator mounting etc. Amazingly, the rear S54 manifold is a perfect fit! The front will work too but needs to be chopped after the collector. This is good because A) the primaries are all equal length and tuned for the engine, and B) I don't have to faff around making exhaust manifolds I'll probably change the flanges, and might need to modify the routing of the rear mnaifold, we shall see. Here you can see the front manifold clashed with the steering coupler, but I'll cut it where it snakes close to the block and all should be good Then over to the intake side - THOSE THROTTLE BODIES!!! The airbox technically fits, but not much chance of getting an elbow onto the inlet. I'm sure i'll think of something for that... currently thinking of a hard pipe with a flange that bolts to the airbox? or a fibreglass cowl maybe? any thoughts are welcome! I also threw the vanos on to check for rad clearnace - as expected i'll need to recess the radiator into the front panel (later 6 cyl cars came like this from factory) and finally a parting shot with the cam cover on: Looking good already
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Jan 13, 2017 16:56:29 GMT
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loving what your doing, what are you thinking for moving the brake assembly, I'm looking into doing the same in my engine bay although I'm keeping the m20 in mine but want to smooth out the engine bay so fuse board inside the cab and battery into the boot then sort the brake set up out. ive been looking at smaller brake boosters from other makes or maybe losing the booster altogether and using a motorsport type pedal box with brake bias built in.
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