ChasR
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Yep, a few years back in a different car. One blew within a fortnight. That is unlucky! Mine try not to break and that was after the headlight glass broke as well (as in the lamp cluster)! That said, no H4 bulb takes kindly to oils on the glass etc. One choice may be the H*R bulbs, but IME even these don't entirely cut out of the glare. OTOH it could be that the HIDs are brighter due to the glare. If it were me I'd do the following: -See just how good the mirrors are in your reflectors and ger them remirrored if necessary -Get some Nightbreakers -Get the relay mod if nothing else works.
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Last Edit: Nov 27, 2016 8:34:39 GMT by ChasR
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a factory hid unit does not glare whatsoever, they're just fooking bright.
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edessex
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Nov 27, 2016 10:10:40 GMT
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Getting the headlamps re-mirrored would probably cost more than new ones! One is only a few years old anyway, and was no better then.
I am partially tempted to stick a pair of Ph2 units in, although they don't fit well against a Ph1 grill.
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Nov 27, 2016 10:30:16 GMT
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IMHO any headlight over 10 years old will have low output as the reflective material fades, new lamps and relay the feed is the first thing i do and recomend, recently put new units in the ex's Mk6 escort, even she noticed the differance (and that's fooking amazing! she wouldn't notice if i changed the dam body colour !) tested the live and it was 13V (engine running) so dropped a volt or 2 since new but i've had older cars where it under 10V at the bulb ! it really depends on how often it's been driven at night, even wiring wears out (ish) and some cars need new bulb holders in the dash as well if they've been driven at night a lot, my P100 needed relays and all new sidelight bulb holders (dash and running lights), every single one was black and melted, made a huge differance then i'd try for an uprated bulb, be aware of the cheap chinease relay kits for land rovers on ebay, the relays are cr@p and wirings isn't really up to being called "man enough" even the buylb plugs are made from cheap plastic that melts after a while, as a general rule i avoid the £7 kits, most decent kits start at £15
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edessex
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Nov 27, 2016 10:40:49 GMT
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The HID kit I went for was about £15, still Chinese but they claimed the ballasts were waterproof, considering what I use the car for that is a great benefit.
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Nov 27, 2016 12:43:47 GMT
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Pretty sure Bortaf is referring to relay kits and not HIDS. The difference when I fitted thicker wires and relays to the lights on my Triumph was ridiculous. Then the Nightbreakers on top, which I've had fitted for about 3 years now. So much better.
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MiataMark
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Nov 27, 2016 15:43:17 GMT
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Another vote for Nightbreakers here, have them fitted to the Disco and Alfa, bought on eBay (power bulbs) so may be fakes but perform well (did have 1 failure). The other thing if the lights are glass is to give them a good clean/polish.
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Nov 27, 2016 15:50:36 GMT
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Out of interest, has anyone here tried the LED H4 bulbs? Yes I have. Got cheaper (still expensive over a bulb!) eBay units and they absolutely swamp night breakers. Need to fit big heat sink!
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ChasR
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Nov 27, 2016 18:35:05 GMT
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What is the glare like on LEDs? I've been tempted ; I know as foglight they are massively bright!
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Nov 27, 2016 23:08:19 GMT
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Good ideas : fit new (or new old stock) headlights as the mirroring on originals will have 30 years of fading/weathering. Install a ready-made headlight relay upgrade (it plugs into the headlight harness, the headlight bulb, and battery +ve 12 volt feed), search for "headlight relay kit" Fit uprated bulbs? (I think standard is is 55w/60w, so 80w ish?). or uprated 55/60 bulbs (Nightbreaker etc) modify the car to fit newer (non-standard) headlights? not easy as yours are shaped to the car but I got great results by fitting 90s Escort'ish units to my 70s non-Ford daily. Not a good idea (I've been told, no personal experience) : Avoid HID in non-HID headlights as beam pattern is wrong / fails MOT / annoys other drivers. Avoid 100w bulbs (ie 80w/100w) as they give off lots of heat, and not road legal.
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If I make my own headlamp wiring kit, what gauge wire would I be best using?
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Out of interest, has anyone here tried the LED H4 bulbs? Yes I have. Got cheaper (still expensive over a bulb!) eBay units and they absolutely swamp night breakers. Need to fit big heat sink! I have some on the way from China at the moment Expensive compared to ordinary bulbs, but works out about the same price as decent bulbs and an upgraded loom, will report back once they have arrived and been fitted Ttfn Glenn
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Last Edit: Dec 5, 2016 19:03:49 GMT by 93fxdl
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another osram nightbreaker licker here as well, those mixed with the n.o.s headlamps i fitted to my saph, are like daylight
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logicaluk
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First off i would check, clean and give all the connectors a squirt of white grease then do the same but with copper slip to the earthing points and fit some night brakers or and equivalent making sure i only handeled the lamp base not the glass, if they were still blowing but gave good enough light buy a decent headlamp relay kit id doubt you could build one for the same money, but if you do want to you'll need 2.5mm or larger cable and some quality relays (thinking about it id probably change the relays in the bought relay kit if they were unbranded). Dan
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Dec 12, 2016 15:29:27 GMT
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Hi all,
I'm kinda new to this forum (like it says to the left of the screen!) but I've been building and running road rally cars for most of the last 30 years - and of course road rallying takes place in the dark, and some areas of the country don't allow you to fit auxiliary lights either, so...
Firstly I'd endorse the suggestion of checking the voltage drop in the power feed to the lights, and from memory Vauxhalls can use pretty thin wire (i.e. big voltage drop). A home-made relay kit using the original power feed to trigger the relays is a good and cheap solution and I would use something around 1.5mm2 wire (which will be rated at more than 20A, a single headlamp will draw about 4A) to provide the power, you could go direct from the battery via a new dedicated fuse. Using over-rated cable will mean that the voltage drop will be minimal.
Checking/cleaning/polishing the lenses is worth a go, too. When I replaced the headlights on my road car (Skoda Fabia) for the MoT 3 years ago, I was amazed at the instant improvement and comparing the misty old ones with the new was - erm - illuminating (sorry).
Others have posted great reasons not to use an aftermarket HID kit so I'll leave that one hanging.
Next after that, I'd probably try making a four-headlight conversion (mainly because I think they look pretty cool). In the good old days loads of cars used the old 5 3/4 diameter sealed beam units (e.g. Capris, Dolomites etc) and Cibie made great halogen conversion units. You can still find individual light units and the mounting bowls/rings online via generic wholesalers or from motorsport suppliers like Demon Tweeks (though I wouldn't pay their prices).
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edessex
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Dec 12, 2016 16:16:58 GMT
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Thanks for the info, I think I've made my mind up about fitting a relay loom, which I'll probably make (so cable sizing info was very useful!).
Other than angel eye lamps I don't think much is available to fit my vehicle, and I think even they are still single dipped lamps.
I looked briefly for some universal / kit car type lamps with projectors, but gave up. I didn't look for reflector type ones, but might be worth an try...
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Dec 12, 2016 17:06:44 GMT
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Looking at the front of the car in your profile photo, there is indeed not a lot of room for a bespoke 4-round-headlight conversion So if you check over the existing OEM light units and make sure the lens is clear and not gone foggy (any plastic lenses will degrade with exposure to UV, but even a dirty glass will mess up the light pattern) and make up the relay harnesses, that will get you the best lighting within a standard-looking set-up. I don't think you will find any lighting solution that gives you more than one pair of dipped beams, I'm afraid. I'm not intimately familiar with the construction and use regulations (I do get to sleep without the need for such artificial aids) but I wouldn't be surprised if they restrict you to a single pair. You mentioned the Phase 2 lights are noticeably better than your OEM Ph1. How difficult would it be to fit them, what other mods would you have to carry out, and how would you feel about creating a chimaera?
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Dec 12, 2016 18:48:58 GMT
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If I make my own headlamp wiring kit, what gauge wire would I be best using? watts divided by volts round it up to the nearest size up and make some effort to keep the relays dry
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Dec 12, 2016 19:12:26 GMT
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Last Edit: Dec 12, 2016 19:13:20 GMT by Porsche
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edessex
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Dec 12, 2016 21:43:07 GMT
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They're off a Mk2, mine is a Mk3, so chances of getting them to fit is very slim as I think they are taller.
Mine are glass lenses, one is a pattern part, only a couple of years old. Ph2 units will fit, but the indicators fall apart, and the lamps don't fit the grill well. I've got some OEM Ph2 lamps which I'll probably fit anyway.
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