Rob M
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Nov 22, 2016 13:54:02 GMT |
Expecting a minimum post count before you are allowed to sell on here is a good idea.
This isn't about denying the rest of us the opportunity to buy parts or cars its about protecting the forum and its regular contributors from being conned.
There really isn't any ambiguity, the existing members must be placed ahead of new members.
Yes, some will spam the forum to get their post count up,however, I'm sure their posts will get deleted and they will be banned, simple.
I cannot think of any reason whatsoever why there is a need to put longstanding and/or regular contributors at any risk whatsoever because its deemed that we could be discouraging new members or denying people the chance to purchase cars or parts. As for 'it wont work' Id think it COULD work, it could certainly have made a difference regarding the ease of access to the huge potential customer base the recent scammers tried to pick pocket, and in once case, succeeded.
90% of us are savvy enough to trawl the net for parts and cars, nobody is likely to be missing out on those bargains of the century because somebody has had to demonstrate that they are here for reasons other than just to sell their car or part.
Honestly, the vast majority who sign up to sell never stay and contribute, they just get a free ad seen by an audience other places could only dream about.
That's got to be a tad immoral if nothing else.
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Nov 22, 2016 21:22:13 GMT |
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Scamming seems to be sad but true fact of everyday life now, I advertise stuff on Gumtree sometimes and have noticed just recently a lot of suspicious number-withheld replies, usually with a generic message like 'hello seller, seen your item for sale' and then followed by a link. Needless to say I ignore such messages. I think, like a lot of people have already said in this thread, the best thing to do, no matter how excited you are, is to stop and think before you do something in haste. In my experience a common scammer trick is to make out a lot of other people are interested in the car but they'll hold it for you if you make an instant deposit. I've found that genuine sellers are usually happy to hold the car for viewing if you're the first to call but can't view until a few days later, or they work on a first come-first served basis. Anyone asking for an upfront deposit should raise alarm bells.
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stugtx
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I completely disagree with minimum post count before being able to sell. One of the things I like about this forum is it seems a lot more relaxed compared to some others. Also, a minimum post count doesn't stop scammers and will just make genuine new sellers not bother posting on here.
If a car seems to be too cheap there's usually a reason. If everyone uses a bit of common sense they won't get caught out.
1. If you're interested in a car, pick up your phone and speak to the seller.
2. Don't send a deposit to secure a 'bargain'
3. Don't turn up to an unknown location with £10,000 in your pocket.
Any genuine seller will hold a car with a deposit after a viewing. Even if it means your mate is waiting round the corner with the cash.
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Last Edit: Nov 24, 2016 9:51:22 GMT by stugtx
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Nov 24, 2016 10:40:14 GMT |
Expecting a minimum post count before you are allowed to sell on here is a good idea.
This isn't about denying the rest of us the opportunity to buy parts or cars its about protecting the forum and its regular contributors from being conned.
There really isn't any ambiguity, the existing members must be placed ahead of new members. But it doesn't prevent that, plenty of people have been conned by regular members of other forums. Post count is a meaningless measure. There are people on here who have a post count less than 50 but are world authorities on the vehicles they have/build, if they wanted to sell one on here why should they be denied just because someone else has responded to 50 threads with "nice one mate", in order to sell their stuff. Treat adverts on the internet just like you would in your local paper, carefully. Caveat emptor. You are all big boys and able to take responsibility for yourself. If stuff does go wrong we will assist in every way we can. Although you are probably better off asking Teresa May now, as she has access to all the data on everything everyone has done on the internet  |
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just because someone else has responded to 50 threads with "nice one mate", in order to sell their stuff. This. I was after some specific motoring information which seemed to be unavailable, due to Government departments here being notoriously useless at updating things. So I joined a couple of relevant forums, both of which had a minimum post count before you could start a thread yourself. Now RR may be different in that it has plenty to interest me, but wading through 100's of posts asking, "Were d chepest deesel?" or, "How do I no wen to change gear?" (and I'm not making these up) before I found something to make a coherent response to (although some would say I don't on here either) was a right royal pain in the bum. I suppose I could have gone "nice one mate" to both of the above, along with several more to jack the post count up, but didn't really feel I'd be adding much to the overall enjoyment of the site. At the end of the day, I wanted one piece of information, so I did what I had to do so as to be able to ask my question. Same as a scamming seller would do. So no, I don't believe a minimum post count is the answer, self-interest is. Whilst I'm sorry for those that do get hit, as has been pointed out several times, you have to protect yourself in the end, not expect someone else to look after you. It's a big, bad world out there. P.S. I never did get the information I was looking for anyway!  P.P.S. Just seen this... retrorides.proboards.com/thread/193663/1991-shape-audi-estate-southendSold by a guy with just over 50 posts and bought, happily, by one with 40-odd. |
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Last Edit: Nov 25, 2016 4:46:34 GMT by georgeb
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jmcm
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Nov 25, 2016 18:53:03 GMT |
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I have bought a few cars off here and have had no issues
The minimum post idea is not good, I am 40 years old and cant be bothered with small talk (sh*t) with people I know and like
Never mind post the same thing 😩😩😩😩😩
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Nov 30, 2016 17:57:51 GMT |
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Don't understand the above post^^^^
Are you saying frequent posters are Bull&@@tters???
Sorry if I've got the wrong impression??
I've bought and sold from here all with no problems
And post frequently that's what a forum is for ain't it??
Reading thru this thread i have to say I'm now of the opinion it would be a mistake to change what we already have, 1 post or 2000 adverts should be allowed
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Last Edit: Nov 30, 2016 17:58:26 GMT by Mercdan68
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Nov 30, 2016 18:26:07 GMT |
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Ive got on fine selling people stuff - apart from a few mix ups , them presuming paypal had given me there address and then not logging on here for a week . I always try to sell things for mates rates or very reasonable prices . The only time i have ever got pee'd off is when i sold something for a great price as well as chucking in some extras and i never got so much as a acknowledgement that he even recieved it , which just struck me as f-ing rude .
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OUTRUN
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I was also intrigued by the black FRST and as the seller didn't include a phone number, I Googled his email address (forget it, now) and after correcting the error in it, I tracked down his phone number - 07871511167 - via other private ads placed elsewhere online, such as this one; www.tackle-trader.com/classified/293326/delkim-alarms-x3Anyway, I text him and was like many others, poised to drag my trailer straight down there, but I got no reply. Maybe the number is of use to someone? |
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I need your help to get back to the year 1985.
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ian1
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I don't think the 50 minimum posts will necessarily work and you will lose the cars that people on this forum genuinely wish to buy. As an example, I have bought and sold a few cars through this forum with no problems at all but unfortunately in doing so specific enthusiasts may have missed out. The prime example was my Vauxhall Omega estate which I tried to post on various specific sites but needed 50 posts before I could do this. I wasn't that interested /bothered about the specifics of the car to do this so therefore potential buyers didn't see it.
Car was then sold here even with my low post count (although I am now up to 53).
I think the only answer is buyer beware and maintain some cynicism until you have actually managed to see/buy the car.
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"It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow." - Caroll Shelby
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I was scammed out of £300 about 12 years ago on a computer forum that had a 50 post count minimum AND a 6 month join date period before access to the classified ads section. I had gotten complacent buying and selling computer stuff so my guard was down.
It doesnt work for the reasons given already, scammers will do it whenever they feel they can get away with it, it is up to the buyer to let their gut guide them and take reasonable precautions.
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Some of the biggest scams on forums have been from the "trusted" members with thousands of posts. So a low post count isn't always a sign of a dodgy sale.
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta
2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van
2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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I've bought a few cars off here and no complaints whatsoever, sellers have always been like minded people and honest about the cars failings.
I've been messed about twice selling though and from reasonably long term members, no contact, promised the earth etc, such is life.
My advice to anyone from over 20 years of buying (mainly) and selling is if the deal is too good to be true, it probably is.
The fiesta turbo was clearly a scam from the second it went on, iirc was it £1500 for what was clearly a pretty mint example? Had all the right bits on it etc, must have been a £3-4K car minimum, why would you sell it for that price? Put on eBay it would instantly fetch £2-2500 so ask yourself why?
If the person has the facilities to put the car on the internet, he certainly has the facilities to check its value first, so why would he then put it on a non specialist forum with a lot of time wasters and dreamers on it hoping to get half its value?
No brainer.
The other fiestas a bit more tricky as the scammer took it to the next level of actually answering the phone and asking an almost plausible price for it, still too cheap though but not silly cheap, then it's hard but after some great advice on here, use the google image tools etc. I think anyone could have been caught with that.
There's ways of circumventing everything as well re post counts etc, I got semi scammed on Passionford, bought an air filter off a goldmember with 20000 posts and it never arrived, when I tried messaging him, no answer, got suspicious so I posted up on there for him to contact me, no contact. Worried, I put up I felt id been scammed to which another totally different user started wading in saying it was nothing to do with the op and was actually his part I was buying.
It ended up being a stalemate and I got 1/2 my money back and no part, I reported the op to the site admin for selling on behalf of someone else but they didn't want to know as he's clearly " one of the gang". I got kicked off selling for someone bumping an ad from 3 years previously because I was then in the trade which meant I had to pay trade fees which were exhorbitant to say the least so I stopped bothering on there until I was well away from the trade.
I think in this day and age you'll only get a real " barn find" if you hear of it through word of mouth or know of it yourself because of its on the t'internweb, chances are that persons already added their scene tax to it.
More chance of a bargain on something like gumtree in this day and age but there's so many scammers and theives on there it has its own pitfalls.
IMO forums are still the best place to buy cars as often you get to know what's been done and a good slab of its history.
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Come to think off it i think its going on on facebook selling groups for cars and parts . I'm in Oxfordshire but there has been people selling things from south London . Typically a Kwackker ninjaCBR type sports bike and maybe a hot hatch for a couple of grand , sometimes some .... wait for it .... gold jewelry !
Typically all of it must go that day for some reason , and its often say £500 for a car that must be £1000 plus at least . I suppose they do the same thing , tell you on facebook someone is coming to buy it but £100 will hold it for you until tomorrow . And i expect they get numerous greedy people doing so .
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hitman
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I was also intrigued by the black FRST and as the seller didn't include a phone number, I Googled his email address (forget it, now) and after correcting the error in it, I tracked down his phone number - 07871511167 - via other private ads placed elsewhere online, such as this one; www.tackle-trader.com/classified/293326/delkim-alarms-x3Anyway, I text him and was like many others, poised to drag my trailer straight down there, but I got no reply. Maybe the number is of use to someone? thats same number/scammer as the mini that was on,i spoke to him on phone but backed out when he wanted £300 deposit to hold it |
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More chance of a bargain on something like gumtree in this day and age but there's so many scammers and theives on there it has its own pitfalls Agree 100%, I've been buying and selling on Gumtree for a few years and for the most part everything's worked fine, but I've noticed just recently a lot of suspicious number withheld replies (usually comes up as something like guntree or gumthree or such-like) asking you to contact them via a link. Plus, sad to say, I think I've just had the misfortune of being scammed on there myself, a guy replied to my wanted ad for a Nissan bluebird bonnet - said he was breaking one- worked out postage via courier etc and came to a price, which was paid via bank transfer (I would normally be dubious but guy seemed so genuine I got sucked in), suffice to say, a week later I have received no bonnet and every time I message him its a different excuse, so hopefully as I have his bank details etc, may be able to report the matter to my bank and see if they can do anything.
Its the minority of thieving scum like this that ruin things for everyone else.
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Dec 28, 2016 13:09:01 GMT |
Yes I was scammed via bank transfer, police at the time not interested as couldnt show a crime had been committed.  These days I offer to pay by cheque and get a name and address, then usually change my mind and pay by bank transfer after looking up the address on google earth etc to make sure it is real. Or else just send the cheque but always write on the back of the cheque what it is you are paying for. Banks hold cheques for years in case there are issues. Back in the day i bought rare development xbox and paid by cheque with the item description written on the back. The guy decided to laugh in my face and refused to send the xbox for weeks. I went to my bank and got a photocopy front and back of said cheque. I sent the scammer this which proved he had cashed that cheque and what it was for and a letter threatening court action by recorded delivery, he then sent the xbox. |
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Last Edit: Dec 28, 2016 13:10:38 GMT by sausage: a word
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