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Aug 17, 2016 16:18:50 GMT
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Hello everyone
Unfortunately I realised that I've been going a lot over my allotted minutes on my mobile phone and as a result I have a bit of debt to pay off and by the time that's over I'll be pretty busy until around early spring 2017. This means I can't do the new fixes and new maintenance on my project car for a while. Of course my car is one of those classics, like them all I suppose, that just have a tendency to rust.
I still have a lot of waxoyl left so I'm more than happy to give as many places a generous coating - especially on my underside / subframes. I have a breathable cover that is not the same as a waterproof one (car must be outside I'm afraid).
I also have a completely water resistant tarpaulin. How bad is it to drape the tarpaulin over the car when it has its cover on it? I'd rather not sell the car so let's say I have to keep it under wraps for up to 6 months ... will the car suffer a lot?
I know to ensure that the car has lots of antifreeze to make sure nothing breaks in the radiator. But obviously there are other fluids that may be at risk? Will the risk of the car developing leaks increase a lot? What about brakes? I'm going to finish off un seizing the breaks but I feel it would be a bit useless to have them re-sieze again.
Sorry for my lack of knowledge and thank you to any responses in advance.
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I'm asking the questions some are too embarrassed to ask. Someone has to!
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Aug 17, 2016 17:54:07 GMT
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Just my two cents: if the car is wet then it's going to rust. When it has a cover on, you are keeping the rain off it. I don't see humidity from the ground (assuming this is tarmac, right?) being a huge rust-causing factor because there will always be water and oxygen in the air anyway. Waxoyl won't be a magic seal that stops those two things from touching but does help to lower the chance of water touching it (but note it will still happen). If you are going to put a tarp on, make sure the car is properly dry.
EDIT: Someone please correct me if I am wrong?
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Aug 17, 2016 18:19:04 GMT
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Hi, Personally I wouldn't cover the car at all, leave it open to the elements, Yes it will get wet from the rain but it will dry quicker afterwards, under a cover it will sit and fester and you will most likely end up with micro blisters in the paint. So just polish and wax the car and wash it every now and again to wash any leaves and dirt off. Being parked on wet ground covered or not the brakes and clutch will likely seize up and you will have to go through them next year.
Colin
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Last Edit: Aug 17, 2016 18:20:39 GMT by colnerov
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Aug 17, 2016 19:09:46 GMT
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It's 100% better off uncovered unless it's got massive leaks somewhere. The cover will only wear the paint. It'll definitely get damp underneath and a waterproof tarp will hold this against the paint and make it bloom and blister. Make sure it's kept dry inside - Air it out whenever you can, otherwise it'll go mouldy.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:25:25 GMT
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What car is it?
I bolted a cheap roof rack to my Capri and then bolted a massive pieces of plywood onto that that I made bigger then the car. Covered it with a tarp, the tarp wasn't touching the car so has a bit of a roof over the car. Seemed to work well
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1994 BMW 525i touring 2004 BMW Z4 sorn and broken 1977 Ford Escort 1982 Ford Capri getting restored 1999 Mazda B2500 daily driver.
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Aug 17, 2016 20:11:13 GMT
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i wouldnt cover it , wash and wax it as often as you can , open the windows /boot on a fine dry day to air the car
cars don't melt away when sat outside ...it'l be fine if you check over it once in a while
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Aug 17, 2016 20:12:10 GMT
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What about these triple layer breatherable waterproof covers I know OP did say he's on a budget but just a question if these still can cause moisture resulting to rust ?
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Aug 17, 2016 20:31:16 GMT
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What about these triple layer breatherable waterproof covers I know OP did say he's on a budget but just a question if these still can cause moisture resulting to rust ? I actually bought one of these "quadruple" layer breathable covers that claim to be largely weather resistant but not 100% waterproof (I think it's around 80%). Sadly my car seals have long gone. I actually use another cheaper Halfords breathable cover on top of the car-fitting cover when it is predicted to rain - this way, the least amount of water goes through, and I can take the second cover off on a nicer day. But you're right - how much moisture do these covers get rid of ? And would a tarp draped over it have any effect? I would like to construct something but space is very tight - sorry! EDIT: I just re-read what you said. This actually isn't such a bad idea ... I'll look into it. I'm just wondering without buying a moisture indicator what homemade tests can be done for moisture? In regards to what car : typical non rust-proofed Jag.
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The pricier covers do breathe better and give better protection to the paintwork but they are always a compromise over a half decent garage. It's the moisture and damp trapped beneath the cover that are the issues. The best thing to do as said is to keep the car clean and to wash and wax the car. If you can get rid of rust traps built into the car that's even better, old cars have plenty of them .
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Aug 21, 2016 14:23:41 GMT
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Even with the mega expensive all climate weatherproof breathable covers they state to remove them once a week to air the car and let the trapped moisture to dry out.
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It's 100% better off uncovered unless it's got massive leaks somewhere. The cover will only wear the paint. It'll definitely get damp underneath and a waterproof tarp will hold this against the paint and make it bloom and blister. Make sure it's kept dry inside - Air it out whenever you can, otherwise it'll go mouldy. 100% agree. I see quite a few cars that have come for work after being covered. The owners presume that they're doing the right thing covering them but the wind will flap the cover and cause chafing. Any moisture inside will have nowhere to release to and will work its way into the pores of the paint and cause the blistering. Wash it, wax it and just keep on top of it. Also, roll it back and forth every now and then so the brakes don't seize up and you won't get flat spots on the tyres.
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Sept 24, 2016 16:19:42 GMT
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If it runs and you can move it, I'd run the engine up to temperature, give the inside a warm up, using air con if it has it and shunt it back and forth, using the gears every so often.
Ditto with the wash and wax, but rather than waxing everytime, use a spray on, wipe off wax for speed.
I usually use Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer, which, even as a wipe on, wipe off product beads water from the bodywork for longer than wax. Just ordered 5 litres for 32 quid from Amazon.
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Sept 24, 2016 16:27:42 GMT
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Okay well I'm going to ask for help and let you guys judge too. I had the very anxious-wait of a month before I was able to come home to see my car.
It had been a month under cover and it doesn't "look" any rustier. The inside was dry to the touch (I did a through check). It doesn't really smell damp so maybe it was "okay" for a month under the cover? Hopefully I'll be back more often to aerate it more.
So was that a success or not?
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I have a Jaguar XJS - RARRGHH! She is called Lily, and she is my best friend! goo.gl/bT3ASP <-- video of her
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Sept 24, 2016 21:06:15 GMT
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Covers are for keeping the dust off (in my opinion) when kept in doors/ in a garage.
Paint is for protecting the metal from rusting. Wax is to protect the paint.
They do more damage than good in the long term when covered outside.
My car has lived by the sea (I can hear the waves right now I'm that close) and parked on the road.
Salty air is a killer but It's not rusted away. It's had since the 90s to do so and it hasn't. I'm guessing that's because the air keeps it dry and there's nothing trapping in the moisture.
If it was cocooned in a cover it would probably bubble up in rust in no time.
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Sept 25, 2016 11:01:28 GMT
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Covers are for keeping the dust off (in my opinion) when kept in doors/ in a garage. Paint is for protecting the metal from rusting. Wax is to protect the paint. They do more damage than good in the long term when covered outside. My car has lived by the sea (I can hear the waves right now I'm that close) and parked on the road. Salty air is a killer but It's not rusted away. It's had since the 90s to do so and it hasn't. I'm guessing that's because the air keeps it dry and there's nothing trapping in the moisture. If it was cocooned in a cover it would probably bubble up in rust in no time. I'm 100% sure if I knew for fact none of my seals were bad or there were no rust holes in my car that I would leave the car uncovered. But that's not the case. Last night after sustained heavy rain, I woke up to find my floorpans with a puddle. The brake pedal was dripping and clearly within a month i thas got wet before but has in that time somehow dried. I am *this* close to getting a 100% waterproof cover and saying @@@@ breathability. pauly22 for instance had a genius idea. But I'm not sure how viable it is for me since my car doesn't really have anything to attach a bike rack to.
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I have a Jaguar XJS - RARRGHH! She is called Lily, and she is my best friend! goo.gl/bT3ASP <-- video of her
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Sept 25, 2016 12:04:12 GMT
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Do you know where it's coming in Seb? If it's windscreen seals go round with a tube of black sealant and fill any splits in the seals. A waterproof half cover might be an idea,a halfway house that would at least stop rain coming in through the screen. This might help you too,check the scuttle drains ! www.jec.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1921
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Sept 25, 2016 12:57:41 GMT
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Do you know where it's coming in Seb? If it's windscreen seals go round with a tube of black sealant and fill any splits in the seals. A waterproof half cover might be an idea,a halfway house that would at least stop rain coming in through the screen. This might help you too,check the scuttle drains ! www.jec.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1921I'm 99% sure the hole in my scuttle panel is where the water drains into and then that hole goes through the inside of the dash until it reaches the floor. I think sealant anyway is the way forward for that hole but I'm not sure quite how effective it would be at stopping all the water that may be going through the windscreen. But thanks for the link - I am already trying to unblock them.
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I have a Jaguar XJS - RARRGHH! She is called Lily, and she is my best friend! goo.gl/bT3ASP <-- video of her
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Sept 25, 2016 13:16:44 GMT
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Good luck,the drains come out in the wheel well from what i can see with a right angle at the end which is probably where the blockage happens.
The drains underneath the chrome trim on the windscreen pillars seems to be a common culprit too.
WATER LEAKS -- A-PILLAR DRAIN: At the corners where the rain gutters meet the windshield, the seal appears to have a gap underneath the chrome trim. This is deliberate, providing a drain for this area of the roof down the inside of the A pillar. It'd be a bad idea to try to seal it up.
Pat Johnson was getting rainwater on the floor, and finally figured out it was coming from these drains at the top front corners of the roof. Water that finds its way into these drains -- a goodly amount, to be sure -- is supposed to run down the pillar between the chrome trim piece and the structure and through the bodywork in front of the door. Somehow, it was being diverted inside the structure, and ended up in the carpet instead. The solution involved removing the chrome trim piece covering the A-pillar. "Being a novice at this, I was a little (a lot) scared to start removing rivets. They look so permanent! But I bit the bullet and started drilling. It was easy! I found gaps between the body and the molding. After calling a glass repair shop and getting some silicone, I went to work. I filled all the crevices and opened the drain hole. I then refit the chrome and put my first rivets in. I must say, I think I did a pretty good job. It looks just like new and the lake is gone.
"It is supposed to drain in front of the door. Leaves and some other unidentifiable gunk were plugging it. The channel was also narrower than I think it was supposed to be due to the black rubber material under the chrome spreading toward the center."
Harry Trafford elaborates: "After drilling out the little pop rivets, carefully pry the chrome off. It will come off. I used a small stiff detailing brush to clean it all up under there. I took a very small screwdriver and ran the blade under the gasket edges to clean them out. A lot of dirt was removed. I purchased a tube of Permatex Auto Glass Sealer, then using the screwdriver end, I gently lifted the gasket edges, sliding the tip down the glass and followed right behind it with the sealer. The sealer is thin and is supposed to run into the crevice. If you get the sealer smeared all over, use acetone or nail polish remover to clean it up. Do not get acetone or nail polish remover on the car's paint!
"I used small 1/4" to 3/8" sheet metal screws to reattach the chrome strips on the "A" pillar. Works fine."
Note that, as opposed to Johnson's '89, the chrome trim on the A-pillars of the author's '83 are held on with Phillips screws instead of rivets. Or, maybe somebody like Harry has already had it off!
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Sept 25, 2016 22:07:34 GMT
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Well I don't know about rivets. As far as I can tell the chrome, at least below the windscreen, was held on by some screws. But it was so rusty that upon pulling the chrome the screws just pulled out with it. I have some mighty big rust holes 1*25 cm and the other 1*15cm Of course it's not just the scuttle panel that is rusty. I can see the metal that separates the engine bay from the cabin has gone too. All the water that falls upon my car immediately enters the cabin and rots out my floorpans. MkX ian65 That's what I'm up against. It's a big blow especially for a cover that doesn't work. Someone from the XJS club swears by a "Sumex" cover for his car s and I checked 'em out: 100% waterproof materials with a vent to allow moisture to leave. The price? £40, or £100 less than what I paid.
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I have a Jaguar XJS - RARRGHH! She is called Lily, and she is my best friend! goo.gl/bT3ASP <-- video of her
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Sept 25, 2016 23:49:57 GMT
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