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I can get part worns from my local huge breaker ASM in Thame . They are a huge modern professional company . For my modern car i can get a AS NEW Bridgestone , Continental or high end Pirelli for £28 including VAT !!! They have so many cars come in [ 1000 or so in stock at anyone time ] that they are literrally hundreds of decent as new tyres , some of say 2016 cars . They are all checked so i have no qualms . On the other hand i don't think i would be happy buying from some small scruffy tyre shop , i did here years ago that the buy them from the continent by the truck load and i did not here much about safety checks . I would from a big place but not from anywhere else. Aylesbury Secondary Metals? I remember them when they had a small yard down Griffin Lane! Then they got a 'shop' over the rd. So they're in Thame now? They have a scrap car place in Aylesbury and one in Thame - huge places , 1000s of salvage cars , auctions etc . As well as a metal recyling plant In Aylesbury and another 1 somewhere else . And another car place in Bedford or somewhere - 5 sites in all , they must turn over 10s of millions each year . |
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ChasR
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In layman's terms, possibly, but only if you saw the tyre in the first place and did your homework. However, normally, no. I'll give a few examples, and after having covered around 200k in the space of a couple of years I'll say why, but I'll highlight it another colour for those like a short reply  . In essence, cars if adjusted badly on the geometry can wear the tyres oddly and £/mile it rarely works out for me unless I am going to punt the car on. But maybe I am too nice a guy. If I am not happy to drive a car I won't sell it on in that state in most cases :i.e pulling massively to one side or being twitching. That and when tyre fitting is around £15 a corner it makes little sense. That said, I don't follow my own advice and still tend to buy wheels with tyres on! If I had any sense I'd buy 2 new tyres for the M3 despite the cost. But new wheels... - I once bought a 106 GTi with 3 fully legal tyres; one fully treaded Michelin, a Pirelli P700z (close to the limit) and 2 Mohawks. If I told you it was an interesting trip through cold Scotland I wouldn't be lying. I had new cars and vans overtaking me on an icey M6, complete with a vibrating car! The PO's eBay feedback showed that he paid around £40 fitted a corner for the partworns.
The Michelin was deformed was 12 years old with the Pirelli being not far behind. The Mohawks were "OK". Two new Toyos up front stopped me from buying two new driveshafts. The price? £50 each. 8mm for £100 for ~£80 for roughly 5mm on tyres that are deformed? I'll let you do the maths. - I bought some wheels for the Clio 172 as shown here The car gripped fine bar a slight vibration (balancing issue) but the car would not stop pulling left, and it was pulling HARD! I mean, the car would not stay straight if you took your hands off the wheel, even on a cambered road trying to force you to go right ; the car still loved to go left! Two new Uniroyals later up front and it was a far nicer drive
- I bought a BMW E36 323i on cheapo budgets on 17" wheels. The handling was interesting. However, my mate gave me the original 15" wheels. I bought some Conti Winter tyres, which were on from October until February when I sold the car. Despite the car having new dampers, poly bushes etc. I never trusted the car at high speed. Considering my M3 is basically the same car underneath I trust that far more on the near worn Falkens when compared to the E36 ; it really did feel a little unstable, and yes the geometry was fully reset all round
- I had a Clio 1.4 for a couple of months as a winter smoker. It came to me with the wrong sized tyre. I was too tight to pay £35-40 a corner fitted for a new tyre. Enter Stage left. I found a guy who could do me a Part worn for £25; what did I say about me being tight at times? The first tyre he got had a massive cut in the sidewall, enough to get an MOT failure IME (I have failed or tyres not as bad as that one); the car had a test coming up in a week I should add. I told him this just before he put the tyre on when I spotted the cut where he moaned about me in the tyre yard and got another tyre. If I had not been there, I can almost guarantee he would have fitted that tyre on with me having zero comeback after driving away.
- On my Old Mondeo V6 it was a similar story to the above. Almost all of the tyres the place was selling in Brum were well over 10 years old ; are you honestly saying the performance will be the same as a fresh new tyre? Classic Car Weekly even did a test against a mediocre tyre vs. a 10 year old fully treaded Pirelli to illustrate the difference ; the results really showed the effects of old tyres, even without cracks
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Last Edit: Aug 2, 2016 22:23:27 GMT by ChasR
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ferny
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I used to inspect cars for a living (not MOT, less that 3 years old often). The amount which failed on tyres would surprise you. The general public have no clue what's good, safe or bad and if you'd seen the state of their wheels you'd know the other "safe" tyres have had a very hard life. I've also never bought a car with good tyres on it! They're either made of granite or de-laminated on me on the motorway.
I did buy a part worn once. I got the guy to put it on the wheel and throw it in the boot so I could treat it as a full size emergency spare wheel. When I checked it over it was old enough to not have any date stamps on it, but looked fine at a distance.
I only buy new now.
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I always go on blackcircles.com and buy the tyre with the best wet rating. For the sake of a few quid is it really worth getting PW's as it's the only contact you have with the road!
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djefk
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My view has changed as I've gotten older. When I had no wife or child and was completely invincible then yes, without thinking about it. In fact I remember driving around in a mk 1 escort when I was 17 where one of the ancient tube tyres had split the sidewall to the point where the tube was bulging out!
Now after watching far too many dashcam crash videos on YouTube and with the additional family members in tow - I think of tyres as part of my braking system. Would I use part worn brake components on a car that sometimes carried my nearest and dearest? No. On the other hand I've gone pretty far the other way as these days there's no way I'd slap any brand new tyre on my car either - with some excellent comparison resources out there on tinterweb these days there's no excuse for not doing a few minutes of research and making your choice accordingly.
I guess I'd never want to be in a position where I had a crash and hurt (or worse) anyone where there was a nagging feeling that my choice in tyres could have had a hand in the outcome to any degree.
For many people I would think subject is one of those topics like politics or religion - you can put a very well thought through and logical argument across but once someone has made up their mind you're unlikely to influence them to change their point of view!!
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Last Edit: Aug 3, 2016 14:20:26 GMT by djefk
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I'm back well I done my research and I worked out a brand new Toyo proxes T1-R is £41.09 fully fitted ( new valves and balanced) and 12 months guarantee ( dunno what for tho) from Halfords, I used cartyres.com, also found a deal on front tracking for £15 from national tyres, valid till December, now I have a question my mk1 golf is front wheel drive, I recently done front and rear coil overs now would I need 4 wheel tracking or would front tracking be just what I need, thanks
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I'm back well I done my research and I worked out a brand new Toyo proxes T1-R is £41.09 fully fitted ( new valves and balanced) and 12 months guarantee ( dunno what for tho) from Halfords, I used cartyres.com, also found a deal on front tracking for £15 from national tyres, valid till December, now I have a question my mk1 golf is front wheel drive, I recently done front and rear coil overs now would I need 4 wheel tracking or would front tracking be just what I need, thanks At £41 new I wouldn't bother with part worns. It's when I'm looking at stuff like my old Jag which was £100 a corner for Pirelli's, got them for half that p/w I'd get it all tracked. It's not expensive. |
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I used to religiously use part worn tyres, checking for damage, date, non 'ling long' branded etc... until I had one blow out on the M6 whilst changing lanes... Would a brand new tyre have been any different? Who knows, maybe I was just unlucky. But for the sake of no more brown trousers I'm happy to run new rubber and the larger hole in my wallet.
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alex
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Hmm. Money no object, I would get new and a decent brand every time. I have on one occasion had part worns on, but I knew the source, and it was more for test of fitment (which lasted a few years but oh well) and they then got replaced with new.
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If it's round, black, and holds air I'll drive on it. I always bought ex-Japan part worn light truck steel belted radials back in the '90s and early 2000s when I dailied an Austin 1300 and then an EN Civic. Hard as a hard thing compound and they lasted for ages. When I was young and silly in the mid '80s I dailied an 1100 powered Mini Clubman on cross-plies. Used to buy new tyres and then get my own casings retreaded. I was doing 300 miles a week and front tyres lasted about three months. I'd run them until they were completely bald each time and usually get three retreads out of a casing before they got too bad to go through again. Is retreading even still a thing?
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ferny
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They still do it for lorries.
I'm sure I heard yonks ago they were trying to ban it, but that could have been rollocks.
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Rich
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part worn would you or wont you ?Rich
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They still do it for lorries. I'm sure I heard yonks ago they were trying to ban it, but that could have been rollocks. Still do it for a lot of things. The difference between a retread and a remould has gone a bit blurry in Europe though, everything here car/van related is a remould. All Insa Turbo 4x4 tyres are remoulds. Australia still retreads lorry tyres, Bandag is one name that springs to mind. Utterly horrific products. Not sure about that being done here though. |
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Not sure about retread/ remould bit but larger commercial tyres can have the tread recut, unofficially it also appears to work on non commercial tyres if you have a simple tread pattern.
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djefk
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ive had a tyre do that, it wasn't part worn and I didn't bin it.
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I run a Mk 2 Rocco, same suspension set up as Golf Mk1. Get a full suspension set up done not just tracking. Find somewhere with a Hunter Hawkeye. Had my Rocco set up and they adjusted the camber as well as tracking and it cme away far better for it. There are a number of places that use them. I went to a Pro Tyre depot in Bletchley for mine. www.hunter.com/alignment-systems/hawkeye-elite |
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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I've had cars where new tyres have been £100+ a corner, (and that was quite a while ago), I've experimented with part worn & remould before finding that new budget tyres were generally best for me.
Part worn I found to be a false economy.
If you drive sensibly & legally, i.e. you're not going around corners sideways & you don't need to see the speedo needle at max every time you go out, then remoulds are a good way of saving on tyre costs.
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