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EDIT 2: In the nicest possible way, I still don't feel I know the answer. It's looking MEGA dodgy right now. The seller isn't the registered keeper and doesn't have the log book?! So how do I know that the guy he got it off won't claim the car as his own or something? I don't get how I prove to the DVLA I own the car (if indeed I do own it?!). I'm panicking a bit here! I recently bought a car and the guy had the green slip but not the log book. I didn't think much of this but it turns out I may not own the car even with the green slip. I have the receipt that proves I purchased the car but I don't know what to do? Is there some weird legal loophole where I've bought a car I don't own?  feeling pretty worried EDIT: I did a HPI check and it's clean. Still very worried something will arise and I lose literally all the money I have saved for the last 12 years and it's not my car!  |
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Legal ownership and a registered keeper are two different things.
You exchanged money for a vehicle and you now therefore own that vehicle.
However, until you complete a Logbook application and submit that to the dvla with your green slip you are not the registered keeper.
Fill the slip out. Post it off to the dvla with the green slip (no fee is invited for this) and within a week or two, I know they say six but I've never waited that log myself, you should receive a V5 with all of your details enclosed.
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Legal ownership and a registered keeper are two different things. You exchanged money for a vehicle and you now therefore own that vehicle. However, until you complete a Logbook application and submit that to the dvla with your green slip you are not the registered keeper. Fill the slip out. Post it off to the dvla with the green slip (no fee is invited for this) and within a week or two, I know they say six but I've never waited that log myself, you should receive a V5 with all of your details enclosed. So to make sure I follow: I get the green slip I have and fill out the Logbook application. Then they send me a logbook? Then I fill that out, send and ... just like that, I'm the registered keeper? When can I start working on the car? |
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So overall, given the age and stuff of the car, it's unlikely to be a scam / con?
Does the seller need to do anything (IIRC doesn't the seller have to notify the DVLA that he has sold the car? If so [and for curiosity] how does he do that, and how long does it take for the DVLA to know he has sold it? Or is it as long as the V5 has been checked?)
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Woah woah .... so the guy I'm buying it off has not changed the car's registered owner to himself if his story about recently getting it is true?! I'm a bit scared!! He says he swapped his van for this car. So ... what's going on?!  |
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If he swapped it very recently it may still be going through the motions with the dvla and not been done yet. Give it a week he may become the registered keeper officially then if he's all kosha he will send it off again with your details. Assuming you left your details or plan to go back there and fill it out.
The paperwork you do have, it does have the details of your car on it right?
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If the guy you bought it off took the car as a trade in I would assume he is a trader? If that is the case, he would use the yellow 'trader' section of the V5 and would not be recorded as a keeper.
Don't panic. You have a receipt for the purchase of the car? That is the thing that proves you own it!
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I should get hold of the green slip when the car arrives.
All I know is that the previous guy who had it lost the logbook before the seller got hold of it.
So when I send the greenslip to the DVLA, how do I prove I own the car? Do I send the invoice / receipt thing?
EDIT: Edited OP because I don't feel I'm getting the right questions across and I'm feeling very worried I may have been done - whether knowingly or not!
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this may start off a bit negative and I don't want to make you any more worried than you obviously are but: Legal ownership and a registered keeper are two different things. Is absolutely correct You exchanged money for a vehicle and you now therefore own that vehicle. Is only correct if the person you gave that money to actually owned the car or had the owners permission to sell it. It's always up to you to assure yourself that they were legally entitled to sell it - simplest way normally is to see the V5C and carry out an HPI check. Having said that, youve carried out an HPI, so unless it hasn't been reported stolen, it sounds as if it's legit. |
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this may start off a bit negative and I don't want to make you any more worried than you obviously are but: Legal ownership and a registered keeper are two different things. Is absolutely correct You exchanged money for a vehicle and you now therefore own that vehicle. Is only correct if the person you gave that money to actually owned the car or had the owners permission to sell it. It's always up to you to assure yourself that they were legally entitled to sell it - simplest way normally is to see the V5C and carry out an HPI check. Having said that, youve carried out an HPI, so unless it hasn't been reported stolen, it sounds as if it's legit. Okay thank you for the reply! If the HPI check is wrong, can I get my money back? I wanted to check the log book, but he didn't have it. I know quite a few people have bought cars no problem without a logbook but I just don't want to be *that* guy. It's unlikely it would have been stolen and not reported? I'm just worried that the friend guy could have given it to him and they are in the act together. Having said that, it does seem unlikely because the guy I saw had receipts that showed he had some work done on the car, and as a seller, he has not got a single negative comment on his eBay profile, where he has sold cars before. He seems like a genuine guy but I don't know how people change when money is on the line, that's all. |
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Don't worry. This all sounds like normal "guy selling cars from his house, but not a proper trader". The guy has bought the car, filled out the V5, and the previous owner has sent off the V5. It will take a little while to get the V5 in his name, then once it is, he will send the V5 off in your name, and a few weeks later, you will get the V5 back from the DVLA in your name. Nothing to worry about at all |
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this may start off a bit negative and I don't want to make you any more worried than you obviously are but: Legal ownership and a registered keeper are two different things. Is absolutely correct You exchanged money for a vehicle and you now therefore own that vehicle. Is only correct if the person you gave that money to actually owned the car or had the owners permission to sell it. It's always up to you to assure yourself that they were legally entitled to sell it - simplest way normally is to see the V5C and carry out an HPI check. Having said that, youve carried out an HPI, so unless it hasn't been reported stolen, it sounds as if it's legit. Oh certainty, I was working in the presumption that the seller was the legal owner. But you do indeed raise a valid point. |
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Don't worry. This all sounds like normal "guy selling cars from his house, but not a proper trader". The guy has bought the car, filled out the V5, and the previous owner has sent off the V5. It will take a little while to get the V5 in his name, then once it is, he will send the V5 off in your name, and a few weeks later, you will get the V5 back from the DVLA in your name. Nothing to worry about at all I wish this were true but the guy he got it off didn't have the logbook. It's possible the guy I'm buying off is legit, but not sure about the guy before him. IDK |
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Ensure you have a copy / scan of the green slip.
With that you can get a V5 in your name FOC however if it gets "lost" by DVLA, and you have to reapply, then unless you have a copy of the slip then there is a £25 charge.
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Ensure you have a copy / scan of the green slip. With that you can get a V5 in your name FOC however if it gets "lost" by DVLA, and you have to reapply, then unless you have a copy of the slip then there is a £25 charge. Okay, that seems doable. Just a quick question then: there is a way to phone up the DVLA to tell them that one is selling a car using an 11 digit code - is that on the green slip? If so, then I would feel much safer about the whole predicament because then at least I know that the car has been sold and isn't still someone else's. |
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Yeah, its the 11 digit number on the green slip.
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Yeah, its the 11 digit number on the green slip. Ahh! I'm getting somewhere. Thank you!!!! So this means when I pay the full amount, the seller can notify the DVLA he has sold the car and then I can send off the green slip blah blah blah all is legal and safe and the car is mine to own, and I'll be the legal owner; happy days? |
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Don't worry he's just a wheeler dealer out of his house so long as you buy the car from his home adress get a recept take the car when you pay all good
Log book says on it it's not proof of ownership anyway just means your the registered keeper
Worst case you have to pay £25 for a new log book
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Don't worry he's just a wheeler dealer out of his house so long as you buy the car from his home adress get a recept take the car when you pay all good Log book says on it it's not proof of ownership anyway just means your the registered keeper Worst case you have to pay £25 for a new log book Ahhh *HUGE SIGH OF RELIEF LATER* thank you sir! I'm sorry I was so stupid here, but I was just worried that I had lost all my money. Thanks guys. +1 |
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feeling pretty worried
