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Didn't get anything done last night, wife had a sleep before work, it was felt cranking over an engine just outside may not be fully appreciated  So instead we set up a rust electrolysis tank and left a brake calliper to see what happens  Left it over night, and had a peak this morning... it's gently bubbling and there is some scum appearing in the anodes (?)  So we'll have another look tonight.... any tips on this, or if you see I'm doing something wrong, let me know please John |
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Mar 15, 2017 16:37:18 GMT
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IT RUNS!!!! I finished early, Tom got home, we fitted the fuel pump. It didn't run, checked compression, spark, it smelled of fuel. So got Tom to turn the engine over, I used a cutoff switch that was on the buggy so he could do this safely  And poured a bit of fuel in the carb..... And it ran, revved it a few times, it settled nearly into a idle (a bit lumpy) revved it again, then noticed smoke! From the starter motor!! I'd told Tom to switch the switch, and not explained to switch it back when the engine started! Oops!!! So no video of it running  but here is one of a smoking starter motor  If I can convince tomorrow's builder to send me to Rugby as he's been threatening, I'll get one tomorrow.... if not, I'll look for one from a breakers  |
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nel5on
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Mar 15, 2017 21:12:12 GMT
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Didn't get anything done last night, wife had a sleep before work, it was felt cranking over an engine just outside may not be fully appreciated So instead we set up a rust electrolysis tank and left a brake calliper to see what happens  Left it over night, and had a peak this morning... it's gently bubbling and there is some scum appearing in the anodes (?)  So we'll have another look tonight.... any tips on this, or if you see I'm doing something wrong, let me know please John My tank would have that much scum in 5mins, and the water fizzes when its first on, but I am using a 4amp old battery charger to power it. |
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Mar 15, 2017 22:49:16 GMT
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Thanks, the charger is 6A, but I had a lamp in series to limit the current, I'll be a bit braver when I try it again  |
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Mar 16, 2017 23:06:28 GMT
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Just a thought.
If you are using a standard carb then using a standard air filter with hot air inlet and vac pipes will prevent lots of problems with carb icing and general difficulty getting it driving well without flat spots.
The inlet of a single carb engine is so long and so far from the heads it needs hot air inlet.
I had a similar setup in my Fugitive and had terrible carb icing until I fitted all original spec inlet parts. Its well written about in VW circles, naff chrome air filters don't help at all.
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Mar 16, 2017 23:06:47 GMT
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Managed to get another shiny starter motor, that still had all the smoke inside!  Fitted that, and the engine ran....  The carb needs a clean and setting up, and the timing doing.... but that will all happen when we get a bit nearer to getting the buggy running So we may have a play with it over the next week or so, but hopefully at the weekend we can finish stripping the frame of its rear suspension and then get it blasted. And start having a look at the gearbox |
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fad
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With electrolysis don't be tempted to crank up the amps. Slow and steady wins the race otherwise you blast the rust off and get a poor finish.
Love this project!!!
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Mar 18, 2017 17:34:50 GMT
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Got home from working Saturday morning, ran around doing gardening chores, in the rain.... so that we can go play tomorrow! I spoke to a local media blasting company in the week (only about 5 miles from home) who can blast the frame for us, ready for some welding and tidying up. This does make it sound like we are speeding on with the build, which in reality I don't think we are. I think in my mind the plan is to build the Fug up and have it hopefully in a position to MOT sometime next summer, so 12 to 18 months time, and then hopefully get to drive it and have a bit of a shakedown. Then dismantle it again ready for painting and finishing. I think it is going to be a completely impractical vehicle, basically the equivalent to my old motorbikes in terms of usefulness, without the ability to filter so no windscreen or weather protection, but shiny with something in the way of paintwork! A very close mate is a custom airbrusher (Hairy Designs)... he paints custom bikes, cars, crashhelmets etc. He sign wrote a van for me and painted this crashhelmet (from back in the days before kids and being self employed driving round in a van!)    So Andy will be doing some painting on the Fug, but before we start on custom paintwork, we need to be sure that nothing needs changing or modifying. But that's getting a bit ahead of ourselves, tomorrow we hope to April out the rear suspension so we can get the frame for blasting |
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That is a lovley lid and he is a very talented man.
Great to see it running.
Dan
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Mar 19, 2017 15:51:49 GMT
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We went and finished stripping the frame down today, we've removed the back suspension, torsion bars, handbrake, gear lever and linkage and the rear view mirror..... also removed some clips and bolts etc to end up with a frame ready for the blasters... so I shall call on Monday and get it booked in, I can just about lift and move it on my own, so with a couple of helpers we should be able to get it into the trailer ok.    And we ended up with this very rusty climbing frame  Which is still a car too some!  There is a bit of grot around the frame fork  And some quality modifications!!  |
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Mar 20, 2017 22:47:56 GMT
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I posted on the fugitive forum, but just in case anyone on here has any info, I have some extra tubes, that have been cut out at some point. They seem to me to have been powder coated, which is confusing... as it implies that it came from UVA with them before being bodged! I have drawn in (very badly, using paint!) where I think they went.... but not sure if they will fowl the exhausts (frame is off to be blasted at the weekend, when it comes back I can stick the engine and gearbox into the space and have a look, but for now I'm just wondering)  Any help appreciated John |
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fad
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Yes there will have been more triangulation back there and a cage around the engine (same as Baja Bugs). You need to put them back in really, and then worry about the exhaust (chances are the megacannons you now have will be fine). Also... If you want them, I have some repro beetle floorpans complete with seat runners etc that I'm not gonna use. VERY cheap  Where in the Country are you? |
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Mar 21, 2017 12:24:58 GMT
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Yes there will have been more triangulation back there and a cage around the engine (same as Baja Bugs). You need to put them back in really, and then worry about the exhaust (chances are the megacannons you now have will be fine). Also... If you want them, I have some repro beetle floorpans complete with seat runners etc that I'm not gonna use. VERY cheap Where in the Country are you? Cheers, when it comes back from blasting we'll line stuff up and have a look then at least I can stop wondering about it! It had a flat alloy floor pan and brackets for the seats etc so don't think floor pans would work (but it is a little tempting so it looks more vw, I'm in North Bucks) |
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Mar 21, 2017 12:33:11 GMT
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I've no idea if Bug pans would work on a Fug, never owned one. But you are a LOOOOOONG way away which is a shame  / |
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MiataMark
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Mar 21, 2017 14:32:50 GMT
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How's the electrolysis going? interested to see the results as I have some calipers that need cleaning up.
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Mar 21, 2017 15:00:38 GMT
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How's the electrolysis going? interested to see the results as I have some calipers that need cleaning up. I did a whole Bug framehead in a big bin. The results were pretty good... |
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Mar 21, 2017 17:55:08 GMT
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How's the electrolysis going? interested to see the results as I have some calipers that need cleaning up. I forgot to take any photos with the excitement of running engines, We did a caliper, it seemed to clean up a bit.... I am going to have another go at the weekend and I'll take some photos! |
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Mar 21, 2017 20:49:25 GMT
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How's the electrolysis going? interested to see the results as I have some calipers that need cleaning up. I did some on calipers on page 2 here with good success - retrorides.proboards.com/thread/181044/scrapyard-dodger-24v-carlton-g624xme?page=2Back to Fugitives - I'm no expert but normally it would have a continuous bar across the back (mine has) and two vertically down from it to form an engine cage. The only reason I can think for yours to be chopped about as it is is when I've seen them with V8 engines which stick out a long way at the back and the frame needs to be modified to go around it. Google images brings up loads of pics of what I think is the standard frame, and this one with a modified back end full of fresh air so it may have had a big engine in it in the past .https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjo897Ou-jSAhWBMhoKHZYjCSEQjhwIBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fugitives.co.uk%2Fmembers8.htm&psig=AFQjCNGtXql-4mK990NjEzCUo5s-wtkZnQ&ust=1490215506508316 Its not a desirable back end shape if you plan to go off road because one of the things that limits these off road is the rear overhang. You don't want to exaggerate it. It means that those rear bars that drop down and under the engine are also very important to protect the engine, mine have taken a beating over the years. |
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Mar 21, 2017 22:07:34 GMT
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How's the electrolysis going? interested to see the results as I have some calipers that need cleaning up. I did some on calipers on page 2 here with good success - retrorides.proboards.com/thread/181044/scrapyard-dodger-24v-carlton-g624xme?page=2Back to Fugitives - I'm no expert but normally it would have a continuous bar across the back (mine has) and two vertically down from it to form an engine cage. The only reason I can think for yours to be chopped about as it is is when I've seen them with V8 engines which stick out a long way at the back and the frame needs to be modified to go around it. Google images brings up loads of pics of what I think is the standard frame, and this one with a modified back end full of fresh air so it may have had a big engine in it in the past .https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjo897Ou-jSAhWBMhoKHZYjCSEQjhwIBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fugitives.co.uk%2Fmembers8.htm&psig=AFQjCNGtXql-4mK990NjEzCUo5s-wtkZnQ&ust=1490215506508316 Its not a desirable back end shape if you plan to go off road because one of the things that limits these off road is the rear overhang. You don't want to exaggerate it. It means that those rear bars that drop down and under the engine are also very important to protect the engine, mine have taken a beating over the years. Will read your electrolysis thread before the weekend! I was told that my Fug had had a v8 in it at some point, it's a Fug 4 so the rear frame is slightly different anyway, this article shows a demonstrator   This is different to mine, and mine is obviously modified afterwards (the frame tubes have just been painted) but there don't appear to be any diagonals on that Fug, but my diagonals seem to be powder coated.... which makes me think they were built in there |
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Mar 21, 2017 22:15:06 GMT
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Ah yes, that is different. I cant help, sorry. Mine had missing bits damage and bodges too when I got it and I just built it the way I wanted it without worrying about how its supposed to be.
My advice would be to decide how you want it and build it that way, as long as you have something under the engine before going off road.
Sorry to not be much help.
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but here is one of a smoking starter motor 
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