Ian
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Apr 28, 2016 15:45:53 GMT
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What a great read, thank you for this.
Its always something i've wanted to do, my Dad and I once looked at cars to use but it never got any further than a pipe dream.
Family friend of ours runs his 59 mini at Loton Park sometimes uses his E type, I said I get over to watch this year when he goes next time.
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PhoenixCapri
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Apr 28, 2016 16:29:29 GMT
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I went to this meeting last year and saw the air ambulance then! did you see the 205's? Sure did, in their varying flavors of crazy
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choptop
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having fun in a 61
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Apr 28, 2016 16:35:38 GMT
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so,hang on there , you spent more on coffee & cakes than on fuel
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PhoenixCapri
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Apr 28, 2016 18:54:08 GMT
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so,hang on there , you spent more on coffee & cakes than on fuel Still fuel, just not for the car Part of the reason hillclimbing is relatively cheap is how short the running is - a positive and a negative; which it's more of tends to vary person to person.
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Apr 28, 2016 23:43:50 GMT
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Interesting issues with eligibility? Formula Libre here in Australia is a wild class - generally motorcycles engined specials, mostly open wheelers but there have been a couple of converted hatchbacks as well (and an IMP!)
Our "touring car" classes for hill climbs go like this:
Type 1 - stock standard. Tyres must be road legal and exact same size as stock Type 2 - Minor mods allowed - shocks, springs, wheels can go +1" in width, tyres must be road legal, cams, extractors and the like are allowed, but intake must use stock manifold, although carbs and TB's can be upgraded (i.e. you can change from a twin throat to a bigger twin throat, or go from 40mm to 45mm sidedrafts if the car came with them stock) Type 3 - last step of possibly road legal cars in the class structure. Engine swaps are allowed but must be same configuration as stock and same manufacturer (so Ford Escort can run a Duratec for example, although it does get murky sometimes with various badge engineering over the years), inlet is free, exhaust free. Tyres are still limited to road legal. Turbo cars have to run a restrictor (36mm) Type 4 - think Thunder Saloons/ Sports Sedans. FRP panels, spaceframing, Engines are free, slicks are allowed. Cages are required Type SV - basically anything that doesn't fit in the above categories, but is still road registered. Tends to be populated by kit cars, stuff with weird engine swaps and late model turbo cars
I think perhaps because most of our hillclimbs are heavily populated with tin-tops maybe we just have more classes for them? At a local meet there will be maybe 2 or 3 Formula Libre cars, a few clubmans and the other 50 cars will be road registered or close to it Sounds
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PhoenixCapri
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Interesting issues with eligibility? Formula Libre here in Australia is a wild class - generally motorcycles engined specials, mostly open wheelers but there have been a couple of converted hatchbacks as well (and an IMP!) Our "touring car" classes for hill climbs go like this: Type 1 - stock standard. Tyres must be road legal and exact same size as stock Type 2 - Minor mods allowed - shocks, springs, wheels can go +1" in width, tyres must be road legal, cams, extractors and the like are allowed, but intake must use stock manifold, although carbs and TB's can be upgraded (i.e. you can change from a twin throat to a bigger twin throat, or go from 40mm to 45mm sidedrafts if the car came with them stock) Type 3 - last step of possibly road legal cars in the class structure. Engine swaps are allowed but must be same configuration as stock and same manufacturer (so Ford Escort can run a Duratec for example, although it does get murky sometimes with various badge engineering over the years), inlet is free, exhaust free. Tyres are still limited to road legal. Turbo cars have to run a restrictor (36mm) Type 4 - think Thunder Saloons/ Sports Sedans. FRP panels, spaceframing, Engines are free, slicks are allowed. Cages are required Type SV - basically anything that doesn't fit in the above categories, but is still road registered. Tends to be populated by kit cars, stuff with weird engine swaps and late model turbo cars I think perhaps because most of our hillclimbs are heavily populated with tin-tops maybe we just have more classes for them? At a local meet there will be maybe 2 or 3 Formula Libre cars, a few clubmans and the other 50 cars will be road registered or close to it Sounds Interesting, sounds like a good structure. Never really heard much about hillclimbing from down under - time for a image search me thinks We have modified production that's pretty similar to class three, but it starts to get a bit confusing when you mix an engine change (even in standard config) with serious suspension changes. To be honest I'd probably get away with running in modified production, but there's still plenty for me to learn this year!
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Yeah its not a bad set up!
I actually competed yesterday, had grand plans to try and do a similar thing to you and document it all. But between the rain and the general hurrying of a regular race day I took exactly zero pictures haha. Major props to you for taking the time to document it all, I don't know how you do it!
Here is a video from our now sadly defunct King Edward Park Hillclimb. Lovely bit of public road right on the coast here in Newcastle
Our licensing structure is a lot different too.We have Level 2 Non-Speed (motorkhanas and those sort of events) Level 2 Speed (hillclimbs, lap dashes/supersprints, some rallysprints). These are just a fill out your form and pay affair, its not until you get into proper rally sprints, stage rallying and circuit racing that you need to have actual Observed License Tests (OLTs) full medicals, etc etc
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Last Edit: May 1, 2016 22:35:07 GMT by courseout
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Come over to the Classic Marque's championship it has a slighter more liberal approach to mods and done on power to weight so it's just a dyno print out and trip to the scale,i run a vety modified mx5 and there are all shapes and sizes.
Used to mechanic a car in the Class B championship, broke the Prescott class record on 3 occasions, and beat most cars in the class above,but ultimately got outdone by people playing the handicap system which stuck in our craw a little bit.
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tom132
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This is an absolutely brilliant read! I have been looking into getting into hillclimbing quite seriously lately (I notice you mentioned young blood) I'm a tender 24 currently, considering buying a mini and building a fast road/hillclimb specific car.
Keep updating, its a really great insight, hopefully will see the car about as I am going to attend a few days to get a proper feel for it!
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reliantreviver
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Great thread, and I shall be watching it closely!
Very much in the same boat at the moment. Just started my first season of competing in sprint and hillclimb. Have entered the SSSC with my road going Scimitar. Already three events down and a double header this weekend. Loving it so far.
I'd been saying "maybe next season" for too long, so Mrs reliantreviver basically said do it already or shuddup about it! Bless.
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Current: Reliant "750" Super Robin, Scimitar SS1s - 2 x 1300, 1 x 1600, 1 x 1800ti. 76 years off the road between them! Also - Mitsubishi Galant Sport and Hyundai Coupe Gen3
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was looking to see if you where going to do a seperate thread for shelsley Ah, I was wondering where Round 2 had got to!
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Is there a separate thread? If so i can't find it.
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Is there a separate thread? If so i can't find it. i couldnt either
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PhoenixCapri
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Is there a separate thread? If so i can't find it. i couldnt either Afraid it's been a crazy busy week and probably won't have time to sit down until after round 3 now by the looks of it! Photos look great, thanks for those will endeavour to make some time for a write up!
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Frankenhealey
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[ But what about the Capri’s ineligibility? Well Monday morning at talked to the organisers at the next meeting and moved myself to the Sports Libra class where basically anything goes, sorted. But then on Tuesday I had a chat with one of the organisers of the Bugatti ‘B’ class championship. He’d had a discussion with the MSA chap and concluded that while my car might not fit the MSA definition, the championship is for road going cars, which the Capri is, and thanks to the handicapping the mods don’t affect my competitiveness. Plus for him one of the key points of the championship is to get people involved in Hillclimbing so being a little flexible seems reasonable and as such I should continue to run in the championship – well I’d call that a result. Goes to show how important it can be to get chatting with a good number of people before just jumping in. Just seen this, so curse Retro Rides for having too much great content. The Healey suffers the same problems at most hillclimbs and events like Crystal Palace except at Gurston where they've talked of taking me out of Sports Libre in the past and threatened me with the Hysterically (historically) Interesting Class Bookmarked!
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PhoenixCapri
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Well that was a busy couple of weeks – note to self, three race weekends in three weeks is probably a bit much! Apologies to those who’ve been waiting, I’ve actually got most of a day off, so I’ll endeavour to catch up. Round 2 - Shelsley WalshMy first 2 day event, practice Saturday and Race Sunday. Sign on and scrutineering was open pretty much all day Saturday, basically turn up, sign on, get scrutineered and then choose a couple of batches to run in – Shelsey runs batches of cars due to the lack of a return road, so after a group has gone up everyone comes down together, then the next batch goes up. Perfect, can have a lie in (i.e. get up at 7 rather than 6!). This is after another late night load up, apparently getting ready for the next day can’t be concluded before 11pm… Saturday broke with bright sun, and a light frost. An hour or so drive and we’re pulling into the competitor parking at the bottom of the hill. Shelsley Walsh – the oldest motorsport venue in the world still to run events on the original course and in continuous use. And of course, current home of Retro Rides Gathering. There is a lot of history distilled into this place. We show up at about 9am, and I head to sign on – all very relaxed. I get my piece of blue card (know what this is for!) and then bring the car into the paddock. The nice thing about Shelsley is that almost everyone gets one of the little ‘garages’ so when the weather turns (as it surely will) not everything has to get soaked. I’m parked across from a nice range of Porsches and get talking to a couple of the owners about their pride and joys – It shouldn’t be a surprise, but it’s such a friendly atmosphere hillclimbing, possibly even more so here, guess that’s down to the more relaxed nature of a 2 day event. At this point I hunt down a Scrutineer and get everything checked and my blue card signed. This is hand I head back to the race office to sign up to a couple of practice run batches. The system used here means you, give or take, get to choose when you’ll run – so I elect to go fairly soon in the morning, and then just after lunch. This way I should get a couple of dry runs, and will get an early finish to head home and get on with other jobs (yes we’re renovating a Victorian cottage as well as keeping a fleet of classics running!) The track itself appears quite a simple affair, only a 1000 yards long and with only a couple of slow corners at the top: There are two things that make it somehow more of a challenge than Prescott though: 1) The gradient – obviously it’s a hillclimb, so there is a hill involved, but Shelsley is deceptively steep. This means the car accels slower than you first expect, so you can use more throttle than you first think. But most importantly it means there’s a big amount of gravity braking involved in slowing down for Bottom ‘S’. This results in me basically coming to a stop well before the apex to start with – it is very obvious I don’t really know what I’m doing! 2) There are some very high, very solid banks some with railway sleepers embedded into them. This is not a forgiving track and it is very easy to take a corner off a car, or worse…
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Brilliant to see the story from the competitors side of things and it's great that you are happy to share the ups, and a few downs with us. Thanks. My Ol' Man's cousin, Ernie Scragg was a big hillclimber but unfortunately, he died at Silverstone before I was old enough to ever go and watch. I do remember his house in Macclesfield having a garage full of racing cars though. jcrae.smugmug.com/MotorSport/Bo-ness-Hill-Climb/Boness-Hillclimb-1962/i-k7jnwXG/A
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This is a great thread!! A friend of mine has been hill climbing nationally for years after doing some other things and I've helped out with the running of things a couple of times.
It's so great to see the kind of information that you've shared here as it's the kind of thing that I probably wouldn't want to ask about (so thanks for sharing!!).
Good luck for the rest of the season! I hope the car treats you well and the times keep going the right way!!
Oh, and I said to my girlfriend, " look how affordable hillclimbing is!!" with a pleading look on my face.
She snorted and walked away......
ATB Liam
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So glad I have stumbled across this thread! Fantastic read.
Looks like your really getting into this and thriving in doing so!
Bookmarked for sure! Thanks for sharing from the competitors side. Great pics and videos really brings it to life.
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