tom221
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Nov 20, 2016 20:45:17 GMT
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So, My above post kind of sums it up. I eventually got the "cream machine" ready for mot. When I say that, it is still a long way from "finished", but with an mot it would be at the 'rolling project' stage. Pictures.... The day before mot. Note the sexy bonnet clips 😊 First test drive (the morning of the mot 😨 ) Just fooling around with ideas Filling up at Stans in St Martins! I could see the jealousy on all the farmers' faces haha Blown head gasket on the way to mot. The temp gauge was obviously not giving a proper reading, and it really boiled! Had to tow it home At this point I was seriously considering throwing the towel in. But with a bit of help and moral support from some friends, the heads were off and at the machinists. I bought a complete gasket set and in a few days it was all back together again. One happy thing in all of this is that my little hatch in the bulkhead gave us all the access we needed! Started it up, took it for a run. Still pressuring. Like mad. And overheating after 5 minutes. Have you ever seen a grown man cry? We have concluded that the block is split. And hereth end the story. I'm sorry to be so down on the whole thing, I am still genuinely gutted about it, but kind of feel i should update everyone who has been watching this build and cheering me on. I do appreciate it! As she stands now.... One day....
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Last Edit: Nov 20, 2016 20:56:50 GMT by tom221
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Nov 20, 2016 21:01:55 GMT
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Such a shame.....
There is always next year!!
John
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Nov 20, 2016 21:15:48 GMT
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you'll get there...eventually. close now!
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Well Tom,
I am certainly gutted for you.
I think that these projects do come along to test us and yours certainly has.
I hope you recover and get to complete your build at some point when you get your head into it again.
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Unfortunately the later V8's do have block issues due to poor castings amd machining sometimes leaving the cylinder walls (outside of the liners) at 1mm or less. No wonder the things crack blocks. From where in sitting you've got a few reasonable options. 1. Irontite ceramic sealer. I've heard of a few good results using this stuff on Rover V8's with cracked blocks, ypu do nees to.deal.with other underlying issues such as head gaskets -whuch youbhave already- but have a read on it and see what you think. Has to be worth a try at £35 for a bottle though. 2. Find and fit another Rover V8. Perhaps it the best of ideas unless you can pick up a good example from someone you know and trust. Spending £500 on a 'good' engine from a breaker at the other end of the country is a good way to seriously demotivated yourself on a project. I have a couple of friends who have done similar in the past, installed the engine and found them to be worse than what came out. The best way to buy a good Rover V8 these days is a guarunteed recon from a reputable reconditioned, but you're looking at £3k upwards. 3. Swop the V8 out for something else. There's plenty of other engines that very been dropped into Land Rover chassis over the years, many with conversion kits allowing them to bolt in where a V8 came out, many being removed in favour of diesel engines from the mid 70's onwards. There's a few kits for Small Block Chevvys (not the cheapest option) whilst keeping an eye on ebay will often see odd engines with conversion kits turn up at reasonable money. Something like a Mazda SL35, or Daihatsu or Isuzu 2.8's would fit the bill fairly well, for example, here's a Nissan one on ebay at the moment. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282257835203. The only hang up there, they wouldn't be V8's. Hope that's of some use to you.
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Rich
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Shame it's come to an end like this, you've worked so hard and done so well. Could you not consider throwing a 2/300 TDI in it to get it moving easily until you want to V8 it again? Glowplug relay is stand-alone air temp sensing and only needs a live feed to the diesel pump to run so easy to fit on the electrics front without disturbing the wiring for the v8..
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edessex
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Nov 21, 2016 17:54:22 GMT
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That is looking really, really good. You definitely can't give up on it...
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Nov 21, 2016 18:46:46 GMT
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Nov 21, 2016 19:09:37 GMT
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I know how you feel, when I put the v8 in my TR it had a knock which started when it got warm, fitted new cam and followers, no oil pressure (turned out kit was fora 3.9 and had extra hole in front cover gasket) so took it all apart again, put it all back together, great we have oil pressure. Took it out for a drive all was well for 10 miles or so then knocking started again, Took the engine out, stripped it down completely, had everything measured, found one con rod slightly twisted, got hold of a new one balanced it to match the rest, built it all up again, put it back in, lasted a whole week this time before the knocking returned, borrowed a stethoscope and the noise seemed to be coming from around cylinder 2 on the lh bank the same one the bent rod had come out of,
At this point I gave up assuming the block or liner were in some way damaged by whatever had caused the rod to be bent, bought another engine and used the bottom end with my existing heads and sold the block to a guy I work with for a tenner to make a coffee table.
When I stripped the last of the ancillaries and found one of the engine mount bolts adjacent to cyl 2 on the LH bank was loose.......
Painful at the time but it's been great for the last 8 years and never missed a beat since.
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fad
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Nov 21, 2016 19:44:40 GMT
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:hug:
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Chris™
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Nov 21, 2016 20:50:57 GMT
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Wow, you really did get close then if you were at the point of MOTing it!
I think we can all relate to the huge demotivation a project often brings when it gets like this. I'm relieved to see that you just parked it up and are waiting for the mojo to return.
It seems as if all the hard work is done, it's just decided to be a pain and hit you in the wallet instead!
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Last Edit: Nov 21, 2016 20:51:26 GMT by Chris™
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Nov 21, 2016 22:31:28 GMT
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Aww, fella i feel for you, but don't give up now, you're so close you can taste it. Take a break, source a new engine, take another break then fit it. you'll always regret it if you don't finish the job!
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Nov 21, 2016 23:23:24 GMT
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Have a break.. have a Kit Kat :-)
Park it somewhere nice and take a photo. Put photo on fridge door and keep motivated. When you can get around to/afford to fixing it you are going to have one of the coolest cars Ive seen. It looks choice at the garage forscourt.. all pumped up and workhorse like. I love the whole concept of this and I reckon it looks like such a beast. I look forward to when you do finally sort it out.
My vote goes to a diesel conversion so then you can spend more time driving it and less time filling it with petrol.
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Nov 21, 2016 23:30:33 GMT
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I have just read this from beginning to end and understand the disappointment, so Don't loose focus Advice above makes sense,take a break and get your mojo back, don't through in the towel, Buy another block/engine, This will be a very useful vehicle in time, just what you built it for in the first place, To many happy memories to be left for scrap, Time to relax and recuperate.
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tom221
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Nov 22, 2016 22:24:29 GMT
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Ah, thanks everyone. I knew I could rely on you all to perk me up 😁
Daslandroverman, did you eat a LR Haynes manual? You know too much. I did try some block weld stuff, but it required running the engine for 4 hours! Not going to happen when it overheats after 5 minutes.
The biggest hurdle that is really unavoidable, if I'm to carry on with this build, is taking off the body AGAIN! I just hate the thought of it. But I don't think the engine will come out otherwise. Of course, with the body off i'll want to make a better job of some stuff that I previously had rushed.... If I'm going to finish this, I'm going to do it proper. It's got to be a usable 'go anywhere' vehicle... not just a freak show that always needs fixing.
Engine wise... the v8 was originally the whole point of this build. But I'm not totally averse to other options. Although I do have an lpg conversation kit for this engine which would help economy.
Again, thanks everyone for the encouragement.
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Nov 22, 2016 22:34:23 GMT
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Daslandroverman, did you eat a LR Haynes manual? 18 years messing with, repairing and rebuilding all examples of the marque, along with a bit of moonlighting writing about the things -both professionally and for my own entertainment- means I know my subject pretty well. Not sure what block sealer you've tried, but got to be worth a little more research to see if there's something that would solve the problem for you before you pull the engine out? I'll leave it at that for the moment save I might end up repeating myself.
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fer4l
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fad
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Nov 23, 2016 11:52:38 GMT
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If you take the body off again... Make it quick release, so that you can literally lift the whole body on struts like a huuuuuuuuge bonnet. You know it makes sense and would not need that much work ;o) LOL!
Also... Don't lose faith and stuck with V8. Each problem fixed is, well, a problem fixed, which means it will only become more reliable!
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thebaron
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Nov 23, 2016 12:17:07 GMT
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Keep at it. It is already awesome and you've done it all already so it will be easier the second time. (or a least keep telling yourself that)
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Nov 23, 2016 21:54:19 GMT
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A good as new recon 3.9 with Top Hat liners is only £3800(Inc VAT) From Turner Engineering. Asides the block issues with some later V8's -the most susceptible being from about 95 through to 2001- with the Rover V8 they also suffer with stretching timing chains and cam lobes wear. The fact that most will be 13 years old or more by now means that buying a second hand one is really a pig in a poke. A lot of people give them little credit as a decent engine, but for a nice compact V8 with a low COG and a reliable 200-250bhp they still hold merit. Anyways, I think I'm waffling again...
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