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If its parked up and off the road, exactly where it is is pretty much irrelevant surely? As long as it is taxed again before using it on the road all should be good? I guess the no SORN abroad is to try and avoid exported vehicles ending up on SORN'd I very much doubt you will get the DVLA to commit to anything, I tried several years ago when i was planning an overland trip and the MOTs would expire whilst overseas so we would be unable to re-tax and they had no answers apart from you will have to ship it back to re MOT or risk a fine. How did you get round this? I'm sure overlanders run into this problem all the time. I'm guessing (just guessing!) that they might do what I was asking and declare SORN once they've left the UK, hoping the DVSA have no way of telling if a vehicle has left the country. |
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We never made the trip, a know a couple of people who have done with various ways around it, one basically ignored it once the tax expired and had it booked in for an MOT coming off the ferry when he came back, luckily as it happened as he got stopped and escorted to a VOSA (or whatever it was called 10 years ago) checkpoint shortly after landing home,
The other had a vehicle which would loosely fall into one of the exempt catagories and got it taxed using a V112 MOT exemption notice by posting his documents back to a friend.
I have to point out that while they were in Europe on the outward leg they were totally British road legal, they were in Africa and beyond once the tax had expired, and visas and Carnets etc were more of an issue.
Like I said if its going to be parked up off the road while you are living in it somewhere for a few months can't see a problem. However declaring it SORN then using it when there is an alternative is a bit daft, it would only take one bright ex British police officer and something like totalcarcheck.co.uk and you could loose the vehicle or worse.
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We never made the trip, a know a couple of people who have done with various ways around it, one basically ignored it once the tax expired and had it booked in for an MOT coming off the ferry when he came back, luckily as it happened as he got stopped and escorted to a VOSA (or whatever it was called 10 years ago) checkpoint shortly after landing home, The other had a vehicle which would loosely fall into one of the exempt catagories and got it taxed using a V112 MOT exemption notice by posting his documents back to a friend. I have to point out that while they were in Europe on the outward leg they were totally British road legal, they were in Africa and beyond once the tax had expired, and visas and Carnets etc were more of an issue. Like I said if its going to be parked up off the road while you are living in it somewhere for a few months can't see a problem. However declaring it SORN then using it when there is an alternative is a bit daft, it would only take one bright ex British police officer and something like totalcarcheck.co.uk and you could loose the vehicle or worse. I decided (for various tedious logistical reasons) to drive it to Germany a few days ago, park it up here ready to use in June. Seems daft that if I'd flown out and then flown back to the UK in June I could have easily SORN'd it at home (and also avoided bizarre abuse on here!) in the meantime but now can't because I'm abroad. I'll do a bit more research to see if the DVSA check cars going into ports. If they don't then I'll SORN it and re-tax in June. If they do then I'm screwed! |
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Sorry its not bizarre abuse , it just seems illogical to go to so much effort and risk just to save what less than £40 , perhaps putting yourself in trouble with the authorities for that price .
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Sorry its not bizarre abuse , it just seems illogical to go to so much effort and risk just to save what less than £40 , perhaps putting yourself in trouble with the authorities for that price . You called me a muppet on one of your earlier posts. I think that counts as abuse, especially as you weren't getting my (pretty obvious) points. As I said above, if I'd left the car in the UK I would have declared SORN and would not have to pay 40 quid for the privilege of having my car parked on a driveway for 2 months. Yes, it's "only" £40 but it's £40 I shouldn't have to pay. It's not being used on the road, whether in the UK or Europe, so it seems like an unfair rule. And, as another poster has said, if someone is doing an overland trip lasting 12+ months what are they supposed to do? They're a muppet as well, I suppose. |
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Last Edit: Mar 5, 2016 19:45:25 GMT by straggler
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SORN while abroadRob M
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Apologies if I'm as thick as two short planks but, am I missing something here?
Irrespective of where the car is, sorn can be declared online and tax can be purchased online.
The car is parked up in Germany so SORN it online. The German Police are not going to check if the car is legal or not, if the car is parked off road they deffo wont. When you are ready to bring the car back to Blighty, you go back online and tax it before you set off. Job done.
That is, unless I'm really missing something?
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Apologies if I'm as thick as two short planks but, am I missing something here? Irrespective of where the car is, sorn can be declared online and tax can be purchased online. The car is parked up in Germany so SORN it online. The German Police are not going to check if the car is legal or not, if the car is parked off road they deffo wont. When you are ready to bring the car back to Blighty, you go back online and tax it before you set off. Job done. That is, unless I'm really missing something? It actually says on the form that you cannot declare SORN if the car is abroad (not an exact quote as I don't have the form in front of me). |
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Apologies if I'm as thick as two short planks but, am I missing something here? Irrespective of where the car is, sorn can be declared online and tax can be purchased online. The car is parked up in Germany so SORN it online. The German Police are not going to check if the car is legal or not, if the car is parked off road they deffo wont. When you are ready to bring the car back to Blighty, you go back online and tax it before you set off. Job done. That is, unless I'm really missing something? It actually says on the form that you cannot declare SORN if the car is abroad (not an exact quote as I don't have the form in front of me).
Will DVLA actually know whether the car is abroad or not? ??
Id declare it, tax it before you come back.
I don't think the online declaration states that you cant SORN a car if its overseas and if the form doesn't say so then.........
The main thing is the car is taxed when its being driven, home and abroad.
Technically, you have done what you are meant to do, even though the car isn't in the UK, they will have a real job trying to hang you for that.
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Hi, Irrespective of where the car is. Can the owner access and declare the SORN on the DVLA website from an IP address in Germany where he is?
Colin
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I asked a colleague who does banger rallies and he's done it several times and has never had an issue.
I could always use a VPN to give me a UK IP address.....
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At the end of the day you want us to say its ok to do something the DVLA have said not too , which you are going to do anyway . I hope you get abroad and you cant log in to the dvla from there to cancel your tax . If you do you will be lying [ is that fraud ?] by saying its on your drive at home ! Good luck with that muppet ! Wow, what an over reaction. if the car is not being kept or driven on the road, any road, whats the problem. he is not saying he will SORN and drive the car. The DVLA don't ask where the car is being kept so he won't be lying nor committing fraud. |
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Just because the dvla states something doesn't make it true. They're quite proficient at talking out of their collective ar$e, as I have found on a number of occasions. Funnily, it's about the only thing they are proficient at....
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Just SORN it then re tax online before you come home. Really posses me off when people say "stop being tight its only 40 quid" imagine how many millions DVLA make every year because of attitudes like that and they're bloody useless.
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Mar 20, 2016 19:48:43 GMT
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At the end of the day you want us to say its ok to do something the DVLA have said not too , which you are going to do anyway . I hope you get abroad and you cant log in to the dvla from there to cancel your tax . If you do you will be lying [ is that fraud ?] by saying its on your drive at home ! Good luck with that muppet ! Wow, what an over reaction. if the car is not being kept or driven on the road, any road, whats the problem. he is not saying he will SORN and drive the car. The DVLA don't ask where the car is being kept so he won't be lying nor committing fraud. It specifically states " In the UK" It also states that it cannot be Sorned when abroad. So ,yes it is illegal & a fraudulent declaration. |
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Update - When I came back to the UK I called the DVSA and eventually got put through to someone who knew the ins and outs of SORN. He was very non-committal but said that the no SORN abroad rule was indeed designed to stop people driving onto the ferry, declaring SORN and then driving around Europe with no road tax (EU rules say that a vehicle must have all the documents etc from its home country in force when on the road in another EU country).
When I asked about declaring SORN on a vehicle parked off the road in Europe he again wouldn't give me a definite yes or no but said that he saw no reason why the DVSA would attempt to prosecute someone in those circumstances. He made a comment that the law would also not be clear on this matter and that he was "not aware" of any prosecutions having happened in the past.
He confirmed that there is no problem with taxing a car from abroad (eg with a foreign IP address).
So, based on his guarded answers it seems there is no issue with declaring SORN on a vehicle parked up abroad. Even if that makes you a muppet! No idea what will happen over the next few years now the UK has decided to commit Brexicide but makes things a little clearer for now.
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