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Indeed, that guy (BlackPopRacing) is in much the same state as my mate with the blown 54 Anglia - and having just read all 33 pages of the thread, I can understand why my mate was miffed (to say the least) I'm not surprised he got THE LETTER though, my mates car has been tax free since it was called "25 year exempt" but he only got the bad news last year, so it was nothing to do with the change to historic, for him it was just out of the blue, in fact he rang DVLA to make sure it wasn't a clever hoax! From what I can gather DVLA DO read magazines and check forums (I suspect rodsnsods is a happy hunting ground for them) and this is how they round up their "suspects" so the OP is probably wise not to say too much here!
Steve
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I taxed my 61 popular via direct debit on the website waited till it was in the system then went to post office and got form to change tax form. I showed them the log book a standard photo explained about it being a 61 and they changed the tax class to historic.
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1961 FORD POPULAR 100e 2.0 dohc Mk1 2dr Ford cortina
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jonw
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As for making a car go from PLG to historic its a simple case of taking the V5C and MOT to the post office, they scan the V5 barcode scribble some hieroglyphics on the v5 then hand over a receipt stating the they have retained the V5c and the date of the historic status RFL at a cost of £00.00. I done this last week for a car that had been off the road since 1999. You now have to go through the INF34 scheme. The post office has been known to do this but it is a bit naughty of them.
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Suzuki SV650R The good Triumph T20 The Bad BMW G650GS The Ugly Matchless G12CSR The Smokey Toyota Hybrid One pint or Two?
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roymck
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Conflicting info on here . Can I take it that any body who has changed from PLG to historic and had no problems must have been a while ago . But over the last few months it has now meant filling out the V672/1 form and sending a photo or photos. Have the Dvla ever queried the info or photo you have sent. Or then had to have the vehicle inspected by them.
Seem to me that magazines in the future should blank out number plates on featured cars and if you post a build thread keep the reg number hidden.
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As for making a car go from PLG to historic its a simple case of taking the V5C and MOT to the post office, they scan the V5 barcode scribble some hieroglyphics on the v5 then hand over a receipt stating the they have retained the V5c and the date of the historic status RFL at a cost of £00.00. I done this last week for a car that had been off the road since 1999. You now have to go through the INF34 scheme. The post office has been known to do this but it is a bit naughty of them. Used to be that to change the tax category, you had to go to DVLA or at least your LVLO. This also applied to stuff like reverting a car from disabled to PLG. With the demise of the LVLOs and the changes to the VED admin system of Oct 2014, DVLA allowed this to be done at the post office - and it is (or was the last time I looked) in black and white on the DVLA website. So what is INF34 and what fresh hoops will we have to jump through now? Steve
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Darkspeed
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DVLA Tax free logbook question Darkspeed
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Jan 15, 2016 10:02:14 GMT
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I did mine in July '15 - after car off road for 12 years - At the post office the INF34 information does not appear to be very different form that time - all that seems to have changed is the Glasses reference - which is of no significance other than if the date of first registration on the V5c is after the 1/1/75. There is nothing on the current INF34 that says this has to be done at DVLA or cannot be done at a post office. In fact it says on the form quite clearly you can do this at a post office and lists the documents you will need.
I think that the issues with checking on a car will be more to do with applications for registration documents with changes - than tax class changes. I had to apply for a V5c and there was a requirement for photographs and a statement after the chassis numbers differed. A capacity change from 950cc to 5700cc and being off the road 16 years would be more of an issue that a car that has no detail changes and has just rolled over to be tax exempt.
For the OP - If its an incorrectly registered kit car - trying for tax free status - and you go for saving £200 a year just don't get caught.
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Jan 15, 2016 10:28:30 GMT
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The INF34 form can be downloaded from here: www.gov.uk/government/publications/inf34-taxing-historic-vehiclesWhat it says is: You will need: • A Vehicle registration certificate (V5C) – this must clearly show that the vehicle was made or first registered before 1 January 1975. If you do not have a V5C, or if you think the age shown is incorrect, you will need to produce an extract from the manufacturer/factory record or an extract from the appropriate ‘Glasses Check Book’. Dating certificates from a vehicle enthusiasts’ club are not acceptable to change the date of manufacture for an already registered vehicle. (If the V5C indicates that the vehicle was registered from 1 January 1975 up to and including 7 January 1975, we will let you register it as a historic vehicle, based on the assumption that the vehicle would have been made in the previous year). • An appropriate test certificate (for example, an MoT certificate, if the vehicle needs one by law). You no longer need an MoT or GVT to tax a pre 1960 vehicle. • A certificate of insurance or cover note (downloaded copies are acceptable, photocopies are not) valid on the date the vehicle tax comes into force, for vehicles registered with a Northern Ireland address. • A filled-in ‘Application for vehicle tax’ (V10), which you can get from www.gov.uk/dvlaformsand Post Office® branches that deal with vehicle tax.
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Jan 15, 2016 10:30:28 GMT
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Of course, what it doesn't make any mention of is altered or "different from original" vehicles as asked about by the OP
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Jan 15, 2016 10:44:33 GMT
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I did mine in July '15 - after car off road for 12 years - At the post office the INF34 information does not appear to be very different form that time - all that seems to have changed is the Glasses reference - which is of no significance other than if the date of first registration on the V5c is after the 1/1/75. There is nothing on the current INF34 that says this has to be done at DVLA or cannot be done at a post office. In fact it says on the form quite clearly you can do this at a post office and lists the documents you will need. I think that the issues with checking on a car will be more to do with applications for registration documents with changes - than tax class changes. I had to apply for a V5c and there was a requirement for photographs and a statement after the chassis numbers differed. A capacity change from 950cc to 5700cc and being off the road 16 years would be more of an issue that a car that has no detail changes and has just rolled over to be tax exempt. For the OP - If its an incorrectly registered kit car - trying for tax free status - and you go for saving £200 a year just don't get caught. Ah yes! When I first built the Toledo in 2011 I had to jump through a load of hoops to get the engine swap registered and legal since at that time it was still liable for VED and I didn't fancy getting it crushed for tax fraud! Plus I had no provenance for the engine I fitted. Then when they moved the goalposts on VED free cars (2013?) I had to jump through more hoops since though the car was built in December 73, it was not registered till 11/1/74 - 4 days past the 1 week January grace period. Fortunately I already knew this and had armed myself with a BL Heritage certificate (£40) so the swap to Historic was only made difficult by conflicting info from DVLA on exactly what was needed and when I could do it! And I eventually got my shiny new £0.00 Tax disc (remember them) a couple of days before April 1st 2014. It would be interesting to hear from anyone with a more or less standard classic that has had the V672/1, that might lend more credence to the general distribution theory! The other thing is the checks, if they are made, for originality under the points scheme. If this does happen it will not be done by someone who is expert on your particular car but probably by the same guys who do VIC checks on cat C and D write offs at GVTSs. And from my experience with them, their knowledge of cars in general and classics in particular is pretty woeful. So unless you've OBVIOUSLY and savagely hacked the shell about, you should be OK! Steve
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Jan 15, 2016 10:50:58 GMT
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Of course, what it doesn't make any mention of is altered or "different from original" vehicles as asked about by the OP I don't think we have enough info on the OPs car to make a call here, it largely depends on what his V5 says (at least he has one!) But for obvious reasons, I don't think it wise for him to reveal any more details here! Steve
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steveg
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Jan 15, 2016 11:12:48 GMT
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For the OP - If its an incorrectly registered kit car - trying for tax free status - and you go for saving £200 a year just don't get caught. Kit cars built pre 1984 before the Q plate was introduced used the doner cars reg number. Not saying it's fair but if the doner should be tax exempt then the car built from it is as well. This is fine as long as there is some proof the kit was inspected at the time it was built and comes up on the vehicle history. There seems to be a lot of kit cars about that have been built after 1984 using the doner cars reg number, most of them bare no relation whatsoever to the original doner car. The whole problem is down to people being dishonest and taking advantage of the free tax system. I would much rather DVLA did away with it and sorted things out properly but it's too late now. I can't help thinking it was costing more to process all the older cars tax renewals than the government actually got back and that's the real reason they made old cars tax free. The other worry is that they will turn round and say we can't use them so much or that historic vehicles can't be modified which is sort of happening already.
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joda
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Jan 15, 2016 11:42:54 GMT
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As for making a car go from PLG to historic its a simple case of taking the V5C and MOT to the post office, they scan the V5 barcode scribble some hieroglyphics on the v5 then hand over a receipt stating the they have retained the V5c and the date of the historic status RFL at a cost of £00.00. I done this last week for a car that had been off the road since 1999. You now have to go through the INF34 scheme. The post office has been known to do this but it is a bit naughty of them. I just changed the taxation class and also taxed my 1955 Standard 10, it has been off the road since 1986, I went to the post office, wrote on the V5 "Historic", he then posted it off and gave me a receipt for tax!
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Jan 15, 2016 19:09:12 GMT
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As for making a car go from PLG to historic its a simple case of taking the V5C and MOT to the post office, they scan the V5 barcode scribble some hieroglyphics on the v5 then hand over a receipt stating the they have retained the V5c and the date of the historic status RFL at a cost of £00.00. I done this last week for a car that had been off the road since 1999. You now have to go through the INF34 scheme. The post office has been known to do this but it is a bit naughty of them. INF34 isn't a scheme its an information leaflet that explains which cars are eligible for historic status!
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