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It's a nice idea, I'm sure they will sell as Bajaj and LML are the same idea and seem to sell well enough LML  If I was to have a modern-vintage I'd be looking at the black Douglas motor cycles 125/250cc Chinese singles. www.theblackdouglas.co.uk IThe funny thing in my eyes is that MODS in their day were people who wanted to break the mould and be different, trying new things etc, now they're the people who slate anything new that ruins their "scene" which I can understand to a degree but when you go out of your way to deface someone elses property at a rally... pot calling kettle black much with regards to "rockers" but that's a whole different kettle of fish which would eventually lead to the demise of scootering as a whole if no new interest was created. Age old Watercooled vs Aircooled debate. For me, any addition to the scooter scene is a good one. Any bike that will be loved when new will be loved when old. I'm sure Scomadi's even if they don't last 50 years will be one of those that at least stand to be tested. Lol! That fact that your calling scooterists mods shows me you don't have much knowledge of the scene |
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forde
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I have a px but not because I am a mod, I'm not. I have it cos I'm a classic bike enthusiast I have many others too including "rocker" bikes.
But yeah most vespa owners I know thru the local scooter club are mods. Mostly older chaps than me who were mods in the 80s and still are. I'm only 27. I'd say the scomadi would suit someone looking to style themselves as a mod just fine!
The lml basically are vespas with some slight slight changes. They bought the licence and toolin or whatever of piaggio. Similar to the old vws made still in some countries. Px and lml parts are interchangeable etc they're the same bike.
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Last Edit: Jan 5, 2016 14:00:06 GMT by forde
'15 Royal Enfield Continental GT
'95 CZ 125 Type 488
'91 Vespa PX125E
'77 Camino, '86 Camino
'82 Puch Maxi S '70 Puch Maxi N
'80 Maxi S "Sport"
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IThe funny thing in my eyes is that MODS in their day were people who wanted to break the mould and be different, trying new things etc, now they're the people who slate anything new that ruins their "scene" which I can understand to a degree but when you go out of your way to deface someone elses property at a rally... pot calling kettle black much with regards to "rockers" but that's a whole different kettle of fish which would eventually lead to the demise of scootering as a whole if no new interest was created. Age old Watercooled vs Aircooled debate. For me, any addition to the scooter scene is a good one. Any bike that will be loved when new will be loved when old. I'm sure Scomadi's even if they don't last 50 years will be one of those that at least stand to be tested. Lol! That fact that your calling scooterists mods shows me you don't have much knowledge of the scene Where did I call everyone that rides a scooter a mod? The above is a simple observation about people who are mods now despising anything new which is actually hilariously hipocritical, I myself am only 24 so was not around for the beginning of the scooter revolution but I sure know why they came about. |
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A scomadi isn't new they have been available for a couple of years now, the bike engined one isn't new either they have been around for years with everything from a 350lc motor to a rg500 gamma and I do know of a 500 husaberg as well . In the early eighties there was the unguided missile that was a Kwasaki 1300 ( I think ) in a zundap Bella body . The scooter scene is for ever evolving and with that it has mods, skins,scooterists, scooter boys, soulies, physcobillies and casuals and more loving the area of scooter scene music , beer and scooters. For me it is the ride to the far flung corners of Europe with mates on shopping bikes that " real bikers" laugh at.
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A scomadi isn't new they have been available for a couple of years now, the bike engined one isn't new either they have been around for years with everything from a 350lc motor to a rg500 gamma and I do know of a 500 husaberg as well . In the early eighties there was the unguided missile that was a Kwasaki 1300 ( I think ) in a zundap Bella body . The scooter scene is for ever evolving and with that it has mods, skins,scooterists, scooter boys, soulies, physcobillies and casuals and more loving the area of scooter scene music , beer and scooters. For me it is the ride to the far flung corners of Europe with mates on shopping bikes that " real bikers" laugh at. Amen to that! I know they've been around for at least 10 years in multiple concept and testing forms but proper production runs only started late 2014 early '15 on the auto 50cc's and 125's, the 250cc geared one was as far as I'm aware only debuted in Milan in November built by Frank Sanderson from Scooter Moda, which I hope wasn't just a one off and they consider production dependant on cost, they did make a 250cc auto 3 years ago but that was one of the hand built special order ones that now sell for a crazy amount of money (~8k just recently) I'd love to know more about that Zundapp if you can find it. I'm one that enjoys the riding part myself too, I got into scooters because my brother was bought one for his 17th, I had a Speedfight 100 at the time and joined a rally going through Lincoln, never have I felt more like a square in a circle hole but it was soo much fun being part of something that big. I imagine loads of the other riders thought I should have buzzed off on my modern but what they may not have realised was from that moment on I set about saving for the right "style" bike, I had a chat with a bloke who owned a couple of scooters and a pub (Harrows Inn) in North Hykeham but not just so I could get cheaper beer, he let me ride one around the car park which only enforced needing to have one, just a shame I don't know anyone else at the moment my age who has one and the other half doesn't have the balls to ride. The "safety" aspect of riding seems to have overrun her. I expect she would probably love a Scomadi if she had a go. My Grandad also had a lambretta back when they were new though I can't pinpoint a date, I'll scan the photo when I can its old, probably early 70's. The RR holiday would be fun to join in on a scoot or a fettled Honda cub. One thing that may annoy both the proper bike guys and the scooter guys is that I have Guy Martins number on my Vespa ha, oh well, my bike and he's a good chap! |
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Here is my uncle who is now 52 or 53 on my granddad's Scooter  |
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madmog
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Just to chime in a bit on LMLs as an owner. LML, an Indian company, made Piaggio's Vespas under licence for the Indian market. They also supplied parts back to Italy for Piaggio. A few years' ago Piaggio killed of the 2 stroke Vespa PX citing emissions regulations. It might also be that they wanted people buying the more expensive Piaggio offerings. When I had both my LML and a genuine Vespa, I could interchange parts as they are to all intents the same thing. Eg I ran my 2011 LML with 1983 Vespa rear engine cover and spare tyre panel for a bit while the rear panels were getting paint matched for some rattle cans. I have, from memory a Piaggio rear brake hub and centre stand. My Vespa had LML mirrors. etc etc With Piaggio out of the market LML saw an opportunity and began exporting their Stars (Stella in the US) by setting up an office (or distribution centre) in Italy and advertising on the back of the Italian cappuccino sunny cafe smiling people vibe. Sales went up, Piaggio got miffed and brought their PX back into production for a while. Euro emissions laws has finally killed off the 2 stroke scooter; both Piaggio and LML no longer produce a 2 stroke model. Here's where it gets interesting though, LML adapted their frame to take a 4 stroke engine - both geared and automatic. They also recently have come up with a version of the old smallframe Vespa - also with 4 stroke engine. Here's their main site: www.lmlitalia.com/and Scomadi: www.scomadi.co.uk/(I have no connection to either) Many prefer the 2 stroke engine and tradition, but with Euro 4 emissions laws no amount of tinkering will get them to pass. LML has made the closest thing to a traditional Vespa brand new with warranty. Not a plastic retro-themed pastiche, a metal, geared scooter with a spare wheel that can be changed easily by the owner Scomadi appear to be doing the same thing for Lambretta and hats of to them. If you want a traditional genuine Vespa or lambretta there are plenty available secondhand - they'll probably last longer than us if cared for. And they are relatively simple to care for and keep going. That doesn't fit with the modern planned obselescence culture that offers weedy scooter frames clothed in ABS shaped to the latest fashion. Scomadi and LML (perhaps others?) are evolving a design, and giving you the opportunity to have what the original scooterists got, a brand new scooter with warranty. You can just use it without having to be mechanically savvy or worrying about what might be worn out. One last thing, anyone thinking of getting anl LML who has a van and likes European driving, or just long scooter trips, check the European LML sites, they're way cheaper in Spain & Portugal than UK. Mine  |
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