wdiesel
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Jul 19, 2019 20:16:58 GMT
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They do indeed share the same flywheel bolt pattern, and I have one of the valeo solid flywheel conversion kit's bolted to my om606. BUT the diesel flywheel's don't have any ignition pickup points on them, so although it will all bolt up perfectly it wont run. I also have one of the valeo kit's on an m104 twin turbo, but that is running a standalone ecu so doesn't have the problem you will encounter. Where are you based? carat 3.6, did you have to modify the valeo solid flywheel conversion for your om606?
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They do indeed share the same flywheel bolt pattern, and I have one of the valeo solid flywheel conversion kit's bolted to my om606. BUT the diesel flywheel's don't have any ignition pickup points on them, so although it will all bolt up perfectly it wont run. I also have one of the valeo kit's on an m104 twin turbo, but that is running a standalone ecu so doesn't have the problem you will encounter. Where are you based? carat 3.6, did you have to modify the valeo solid flywheel conversion for your om606? The flywheel needs no mods to work on 606, just bolts on.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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wdiesel
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Check out my W124 OM606 build here https://bit.ly/2sisie9
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Thank you for the clarification, I've heard reports online that the flywheel will need to be machined. I appreciate the data and help
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Jul 21, 2019 22:03:50 GMT
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I'm fitting a flywheel from a Sprinter dual mass delete kit onto my OM606 (taken from a W210), and the back of the crank needs a 5mm lip taking off in order to fit the solid flywheel. Is that mod not necessary if you're fitting the M104 solid flywheel?
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Last Edit: Jul 21, 2019 22:04:40 GMT by BenzBoy
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Jul 22, 2019 20:29:14 GMT
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I'm fitting a flywheel from a Sprinter dual mass delete kit onto my OM606 (taken from a W210), and the back of the crank needs a 5mm lip taking off in order to fit the solid flywheel. Is that mod not necessary if you're fitting the M104 solid flywheel? You shouldn't need to machine anything, what flywheel are you using? The m104 flywheel bolts straight up to the 606.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Jul 22, 2019 21:04:36 GMT
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I'm fitting a flywheel from a Sprinter dual mass delete kit onto my OM606 (taken from a W210), and the back of the crank needs a 5mm lip taking off in order to fit the solid flywheel. Is that mod not necessary if you're fitting the M104 solid flywheel? You shouldn't need to machine anything, what flywheel are you using? The m104 flywheel bolts straight up to the 606. Hmm, I see. I'm using a dual mass delete flywheel for a Mercedes Sprinter. I personally haven't fitted mine yet but I know two people who have gone this route and they both had to remove a lip from the back of the crank. I'll investigate further, it seems odd that it doesn't just bolt up.
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Jul 22, 2019 21:27:14 GMT
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You shouldn't need to machine anything, what flywheel are you using? The m104 flywheel bolts straight up to the 606. Hmm, I see. I'm using a dual mass delete flywheel for a Mercedes Sprinter. I personally haven't fitted mine yet but I know two people who have gone this route and they both had to remove a lip from the back of the crank. I'll investigate further, it seems odd that it doesn't just bolt up. One thing I should point out regarding sprinter SMF conversions, is that the only one I recommend to use is the Valeo kit. This is because it is the only one to properly support the input shaft with a bearing, the others do not. I have seen a few that don't support the shaft at all, resulting in the vibration stories you sometimes hear about. I have used this kit in at least 10+ 6 speed conversions on a variety of merc engines without issue.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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wdiesel
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Check out my W124 OM606 build here https://bit.ly/2sisie9
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Jul 23, 2019 22:29:52 GMT
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Hmm, I see. I'm using a dual mass delete flywheel for a Mercedes Sprinter. I personally haven't fitted mine yet but I know two people who have gone this route and they both had to remove a lip from the back of the crank. I'll investigate further, it seems odd that it doesn't just bolt up. One thing I should point out regarding sprinter SMF conversions, is that the only one I recommend to use is the Valeo kit. This is because it is the only one to properly support the input shaft with a bearing, the others do not. I have seen a few that don't support the shaft at all, resulting in the vibration stories you sometimes hear about. I have used this kit in at least 10+ 6 speed conversions on a variety of merc engines without issue. To be clear, I am using a totally unmodified Valeo SMF on my OM606. From what I understood reading previous posts, the SMF Valeo kit has no problems unmodified, bolted to an OM606
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Jul 24, 2019 13:07:13 GMT
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The SMF I'm using is for a 2000 - 2006 Sprinter OM611. It's just a generic one though, so probably a Valeo one would be better.
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wdiesel
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Update: another person using this flywheel measured the raised tab on the crank and the hole in the flywheel for the tab o nthe crank. He reported the raised tab is 11.6 mm and the hole for the tab is 10.6 mm. Just advising for the future
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Are you sure that's the Valeo one? Cos the Valeo flywheels I'm using bottom out on the crank just fine, that's on the m104 and om606.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Hey carat, I'm the guy who just verified the flywheel measurements. It feels solid when you mount it and the locating pin enters the hole in the flywheel fine, but the center ring of the crank is the only thing touching. I measured very carefully and came up with a 1mm difference for sure. The flywheel kit I am using is Valeo 835013. You can see pictures in this thread over at STD www.superturbodiesel.com/std/showthread.php?tid=5554&pid=63534#pid63534He is using a Borg and Beck kit, but he measures the same as what I'm seeing within a few tenths of a mm.
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Wow, what great information! Bit of an old thread, but I'm a little lost with all these parts! I'm looking at putting a OM662 into a 4t Classic Hymer (83) or perhaps an OM605... the question is what are my gearbox options? There's the standard auto 720.110 which worries me a little. A friend put a 662 on one of these and it slips between 3/4. Perhaps it just needs tweaking, but so difficult to find decent information. I don't want to put in a box that needs uprating... I like the idea of a 722.6, 5 speed and torque lock, but very expensive controller required I don't know if this one will even fit a 602/662. Finally, there's the option of putting in a manual, with whatever complications that needs for a floor shift. I'm capable enough for most operations, recently put a 2.8 idtd into an '89 fiat chassis. What a task!! But the 120hp seems to be enough to drive the Hymer B694 at 4.5t up any incline and drives like a dream. I need to do this with my recently aquired '83 Merc. Help is enourmously appreciated!
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Wow, what great information! Bit of an old thread, but I'm a little lost with all these parts! I'm looking at putting a OM662 into a 4t Classic Hymer (83) or perhaps an OM605... the question is what are my gearbox options? There's the standard auto 720.110 which worries me a little. A friend put a 662 on one of these and it slips between 3/4. Perhaps it just needs tweaking, but so difficult to find decent information. I don't want to put in a box that needs uprating... I like the idea of a 722.6, 5 speed and torque lock, but very expensive controller required I don't know if this one will even fit a 602/662. Finally, there's the option of putting in a manual, with whatever complications that needs for a floor shift. I'm capable enough for most operations, recently put a 2.8 idtd into an '89 fiat chassis. What a task!! But the 120hp seems to be enough to drive the Hymer B694 at 4.5t up any incline and drives like a dream. I need to do this with my recently aquired '83 Merc. Oh, I also have the auto box that came with the 662 musso, complete with 4x4 transfer box on the end. So many options :-( Help is enourmously appreciated!
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Wow, what great information! Bit of an old thread, but I'm a little lost with all these parts! I'm looking at putting a OM662 into a 4t Classic Hymer (83) or perhaps an OM605... the question is what are my gearbox options? There's the standard auto 720.110 which worries me a little. A friend put a 662 on one of these and it slips between 3/4. Perhaps it just needs tweaking, but so difficult to find decent information. I don't want to put in a box that needs uprating... I like the idea of a 722.6, 5 speed and torque lock, but very expensive controller required I don't know if this one will even fit a 602/662. Finally, there's the option of putting in a manual, with whatever complications that needs for a floor shift. I'm capable enough for most operations, recently put a 2.8 idtd into an '89 fiat chassis. What a task!! But the 120hp seems to be enough to drive the Hymer B694 at 4.5t up any incline and drives like a dream. I need to do this with my recently aquired '83 Merc. Oh, I also have the auto box that came with the 662 musso, complete with 4x4 transfer box on the end. So many options :-( Help is enourmously appreciated! My advice is to ditch the auto idea and go manual. Use the 5spd gearbox from the first generation sprinter van, that makes your gearlever easy to do, and it will handle the power of om662 with ease.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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