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Sept 25, 2016 19:43:22 GMT
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Hmmm, looks like someone's swallowed a text book to me? Wasted spark and batch fire isn't the way I'm doing it but it's fine for most production cars so why not good enough for this? I agree, closed loop boost controller a must although I would worry more about the inlet tract and poor flow characteristics and starving or robbing boost from adjacent trumpets and inlets in the plenum rather than boost creep and exhaust size. It's an FI engine so unless you have a pee shooter exhaust it's being forced out so diameter isn't THAT critical. So far, it all looks good enough to me for a road car. Are you fitting forged Pistons? What CR and boost you running? The current engine is standard, cast pistons with 9.3:1 compression ratio. I have already fitted properly designed trumpets but in the future might change this to just a blended base. Boost will be starting off at around 7 psi I also have money put aside for a new forged engine if / when this one fails. The car is a keeper (had it almost 9 years) so this is only the beginning and once the concept is proven it will be improved over time
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Sept 25, 2016 19:43:44 GMT
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I totally agree, your car, your way. It always interests me what the people that comment negatively drive / build. Good luck with the build, it's certainly going to liven it up no end. I built a stock 3500 with twin turbos before on suck through SUs and had a 30% increase in power and torque after an hour on a rolling road with very good tuners. The only way I can describe it was explosive, this resulted in my FI addiction...... 😱😊
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Sept 26, 2016 10:10:42 GMT
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Cant wait to see this finished, its gonna be a beast!! No reason it wont run on a dizzy set up. The advantage of full efi is more precise control, but a modded dizzy will work fine. Does any one remember Nick Manns' Morris Minor RV8 turbo? Pretty sure that still ran on clock work ignition! One question - have you opened up the ring gaps? Definitely worth the effort on a turbo conversion, as youll avoid snagging the ring and breaking a ring land.
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Sept 26, 2016 11:01:25 GMT
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I ran my old twin turbo v8 on a dual point dizzy 👍🏼
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Sept 26, 2016 11:02:33 GMT
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Cant wait to see this finished, its gonna be a beast!! No reason it wont run on a dizzy set up. The advantage of full efi is more precise control, but a modded dizzy will work fine. Does any one remember Nick Manns' Morris Minor RV8 turbo? Pretty sure that still ran on clock work ignition! One question - have you opened up the ring gaps? Definitely worth the effort on a turbo conversion, as youll avoid snagging the ring and breaking a ring land. Have you checked out the twin turbo moggy thread?
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Sept 26, 2016 11:47:01 GMT
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There is nothing wrong with a good quality manual boost controller, they have been used successfully for a long time and on a LOT of cars without issue. allot of 80s turbo cars didnt even have boost controllers, the actuator was plumbed directly into compressor housing. laaag ! in my experience, sequential injection was just a means to an end for efficiency and tail pipe emissions, not safety. as has been stated already would take mind bending amounts of time and cash and development to map, in that much resolution, in an aftermarket ecu, from scratch. for a mass produced car with millions invested into it you might take it on the chin, but for a DIY home build, its not worth the outlay. the only downside i have witnessed with batch firing is that you are delivering half the amount of fuel, twice as often. so it tends to give old high latency bosch injectors an absolute battering, as they cant open and close quick enough at lower rpm, to deliver such little amount of fuel. especially so if you are running fixed rate fuel pressure
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Last Edit: Sept 26, 2016 11:49:00 GMT by darrenh
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Sept 26, 2016 12:50:45 GMT
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My log tt v8 with su's and dual point dizzy
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Sept 26, 2016 16:52:48 GMT
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Guys, I'm surpised the discussion took the wrong direction. I did't mean to sound derisive at all! May be because the language I'm trying to practice is not my native one, I just don't use the words the same proper way as you do. I do respect everyones work here as well as everyones desision how to proceed with his own car. Concerning the last opinions and shared personal experience, I have nothing to say or add.
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Sept 27, 2016 14:09:39 GMT
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My log tt v8 with su's and dual point dizzy Excellent! This is the one I remember from yonks ago..600hp allegedly!
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Last Edit: Sept 27, 2016 14:11:44 GMT by mdh
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Colonelk
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Sept 27, 2016 14:20:11 GMT
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cannot wait to hear this at flat chat with that screamer pipe screaming hoping there will be videos when all done
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Sept 27, 2016 20:10:15 GMT
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Videos a plenty
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Sept 28, 2016 23:11:53 GMT
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Sept 29, 2016 19:36:42 GMT
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Another day, another update. Here is the air temp sensor in its new home and hopefully protected from the heat Welded an 8mm barb into the coolant 'swan neck' for the turbo And a quick lick of paint (still a bit wet in the picture) but shows the modified pipe. If all works well I will get a nice stainless one made up in the future. I also tidied the wiring in the engine bay and started getting everything ready for its final fit. Not long to go now with only the new cross member needing to be fabricated, the new McLeod clutch to be fitted and the new dash. Getting dangerously close to its first start!
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New wheels and tyres here
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Just a quick check on to say top work! Ignore the comments about the ms2, it will do everything you need and that is the important bit :-)
Keep on the updates, loving this build :-)
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My twin turbo 1 uzfe runs microsquirt and edis 8 , the only issue I've had is having to switch to simultaneous fire for both inj banks to get the idle smooth and it doesn't like to idle above 14-1 . For £350 and running 8psi off the wastegates I don't see any benefit in spending any more on management . at 10-1 Comp I did all the tuning on supermarket super unleaded so I don't have to worry about finding v power plus it's added protection when you do run v power . 8psi is 360hp 380 lb ft and done 5000 miles plus a couple of track days with no drama .
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My car is 960kg with me and 80 litres of fuel . At 8 psi it doesn't feel particularly turbo charged just a constantly rising torque curve with boost on tap from 2000rpm . The 1uz can take a lot more than I'm prepared to go but I'd rather have 100% reliability and not have to keep monitoring egt and knock for the extra 70hp running a bar of boost .
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Oct 16, 2016 19:59:29 GMT
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Offset cross member made up today to clear the turbo. My special wooden jig thingy Getting there Notched for the turbo and swirl pot plate welded back on. Fits like a glove Lick of paint On Tuesday I will get the coolant system plumbed back in and filled, refill with oil and it will be ready for the first start!
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Strong effort chap - that cross member is looking good.
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fer4l
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Oct 17, 2016 12:09:53 GMT
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Looking forward to seeing this run! Cheers Matt
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