BT
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Aug 11, 2015 21:21:02 GMT
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Hello Retro Rides. I have found myself wanting a new daily driver. I have found my caddy van a little too small and restrictive and am looking at either a BMW E46 estate or a discovery. Has anyone on here owned a discovery? If so how did you find it? I am looking at a 1995 300TDI. Did many of these come with air con? I intend on using it as a work horse, it will do 1000 miles in a week possibly 10 times a year along with the usual engine lugging, wheel moving, dump visiting donkey. I could also use it for towing my classic mini around on a trailer which would be good. What kind of motorway crusing speeds were people getting? I had a ranger pick up a few months ago and loved everything about it apart from how it drove on the motorway. I was doing 3,200RPM when sitting at 70mph. A little unbearable at the best of times. What RPM can I expect at 70mph in a discovery? MPG wise I am reading about 30mpg on a good run. Can anyone echo this? All in all, how do you feel about your experience with the discovery? Would you recommend one, buy another or steer well clear? A majority of the ones I have seen have mild modifications, BF Goodrich tyres, lift kits, things like that. The possibilities of using the vehicle on the weekends at pay and play days and in the lanes are a huge selling point for me. Everyone likes photos. And I think this is just awesome.
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compass
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Aug 11, 2015 21:55:00 GMT
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Rot, rot and more rot! Inner wings, sills, boot floor will all need doing no doubt. Even ones which have had the work, will probably need it doing again at some point. Doors will no doubt be scabby too through electrolytic reaction.
300tdi engine is the one most Disco 1 owners seen to like. Head gaskets can blow though, and the lift pumps are a common problem too. Take it steady, and 30mpg is achievable, and will run on veg oil too if that's your thing. Slow and under powered IMO, but can be tweaked with boost pins, intercoolers etc.
It's been a while since I owned one, but they seemed ok on the motorway for a LR.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the disco 1, but I know they have a strong following. I'd go for something like a Trooper 3.0td instead of I was buying a 4x4 of this age and price bracket.
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Aug 11, 2015 22:21:35 GMT
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I have had many D1's and have a D1 3.9V8 J import on LPG it was for sale but then popped its head gasket so its just been sat there awhile now.
Personally I'd save a bit more and buy a D2 which I also have a 2000 Td5 which is a fantastic bit of kit and every bit worth the extra money.
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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BT
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Aug 11, 2015 22:25:13 GMT
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Damnit, as I suspected.
I have to be fair and say that one minute I look at them and think they're super ugly, the next I really like them, I seem undecided.
Veg oil is a bonus as I am after super cheap miles but don't want to be a catalyst for any kind of potentially expensive failure.
I have looked at Izuzu, my neighbour has one that has done near on 300k and he loves it but unfortunately for he minute my options are either TDI300 Discovery,m or a E46 BMW petrol estate.
Would love a defender, but that defeats my main aim here.
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BT
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Aug 11, 2015 22:30:04 GMT
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I have had many D1's and have a D1 3.9V8 J import on LPG it was for sale but then popped its head gasket so its just been sat there awhile now. Personally I'd save a bit more and buy a D2 which I also have a 2000 Td5 which is a fantastic bit of kit and every bit worth the extra money. Sorry I missed your reply there. Thanks for your input. For fuel reasons I would only really be after the diesel, seemed a logical decision but doesn't always seem to be right. Unfortunately it is not so much of a save and buy something better, I have capped myself at £1000 for a few reasons. It is a dirty work horse, it is replacing a £500 van and to be fair a A4 TDI estate would do the job, but I have decided to utilise the profit from the sale of my van to buy something a little better, hence limiting myself to £1000, a nice step up the laser from my anticipated £500 budget, otherwise I will end up on that slippery slop and have a late model defender sat on the drive before I know it.
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Rich
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I have a 300tdi on 230000 miles, it's a bit sluggish but I know there is an issue somewhere with the EDC- afaik most or all 300TDI discos are fly by wire. But it always starts, does motorways, returns 30's on the mpg scale. It's a pretty damn competent off-roader given what it is. My brother just bought a 200tdi with 250000 on it, goes way better than mine, really clean truck. But even at what he paid it needs welding. So be careful, check for welding. It'll probably need some at a grand.
Drive wise, mine is a bit curse word. But mine has HD springs, mud terrains and no anti rollbars. I use it for a support truck for a military vehicle collection and as a toy. My brothers is stock. It drives like a heavy car, it's pleasant, corners well for what it is an has good road manners. So you pay your money..
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Rich
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Going back to your original post too, they tow really well. I get the feeling I could hitch a block of flats with castors on to it and it'd 'tow well', so that's good. Look out with one with the Dixon Bate sliding towbar, nosier than a fixed one but versatile. You want a towbar offroad, yes it will hit the floor all the time but the other option is the rear bodywork and fuel tank, as the rear overhang is what lets it down, the wheel base is 100" which is pretty capable. You can get AC but it's usually on the ES models. I have AC in the Hyundai, and at no point have I felt like I'd want it in the disco, it cools inside once your moving very quickly, and doesn't stay hot inside. As I said it'll do motorway with no real issue. Mines an auto, which may make for better or worse motorway cruise but I use it on the motorway at least once a week, and I've not found it bad except tyre noise.
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The manual engines are not fly by wire. You can tune the injector pump, shorten the arm on the turbo actuator, blank off the EGR valve, fit a bigger intercooler. I love them so I am biased. Rot is a problem but parts are reasonably cheap, well in the UK anyway. Have a picture of my ride after I finished the Mac 4x4 challenge earlier this year.
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MrSpeedy
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Aug 12, 2015 19:29:19 GMT
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My only experience is welding in a boot floor into one for a mate. NEVER again!
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Aug 12, 2015 20:06:16 GMT
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I have just bought a Disco 2 td5 .facelift model Absolutely pisses over my old 200tdi disco 1.
Sits on the motorway at 70-80 all day no problem,more comfy and more useable on a daily basis.
However for your budget the disco 2 you could get are likely to be 'not good'
Disco 1's chassis usually are pretty good, albeit outriggers as per nearly all land rover products, but body wise they go nearly everywhere,if you can,get one without sunroofs,as thats the cause of most leaks, but the alpine windiws can be an issue. Economy wise my 200 was mid to late 20's on a good run, standard suspension set ups can feel a bit wallowy, i fitted stiffer springs to the rear to ease that feeling,and help towing.
don't forget though,if you go the the big tyre,suspension lift route,your fuel consumption will increase, and road manners will be affected.
I give mine 2 inch lift at front,4 inch lift at rear,and big tyres .... And boy did it kill the motorway cruising ability, it raised to gearing,and that really hurt on long hills!
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Aug 12, 2015 20:07:21 GMT
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My only experience is welding in a boot floor into one for a mate. NEVER again! I second that!!
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MonzaPhil
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Aug 12, 2015 20:22:28 GMT
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For under 1k you can get a TD5 but you shouldn't.
The chassis rot like you wouldn't believe, they have some electrical and electronic issues and the repair costs are frightening.
A TDI is a good, basic and capable machine. Chassis are normally totally solid but expect body rot any and everywhere. Maintenance is pennies though and spares are very common. It's the most SORNed car in the country!
There are plenty with air con but much more likely 300 than 200.
They'll crunch into second for 50k before you really need a gearbag, the auto is dumb but a much nicer drive, who wants to change gear in a lorry?
Mileage is unimportant.
3.5 ton towing limit is handy.
Occasional laning fun is.... fun.
25 - 30mpg no probs.
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sowen
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Aug 12, 2015 22:59:46 GMT
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As everyone says, they rot! I've got one of the last 3 doors and I've had to do some extensive welding all over the back half, still got the boot floor to replace, and now it's in the workshop for new front inner wings between all my other projects.
Leave the suspension standard and in good condition and they are quite chuckable with decent road tyres fitted. Mine sits happily on the motorway at 65-70 doing about 2500rpm, give the throttle a poke and it'll pick up speed respectably in 5th. With the egr blanked off and the diaphragm turned it's livelier than it was and returns over 30mpg on mostly motorway and fast A/B roads. My dads TD5 is slower, noisier and uses more fuel, quite simply I'd rather keep my rough 300 than get a Disco2. The only time I'd consider a Discovery2 would be if I was to remove all the electronics and make one simple like the original Discovery's.
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Aug 12, 2015 23:35:03 GMT
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Find a J import and the welding isn't such an issue. My V8 is on LPG which helps massively in running costs and puts it about on par with a 300tdi I have one of very few that hasn't been and doesn't need welding.
My Td5 has been in the family almost a decade and its had nearly all of the things that goes wrong with them go wrong from the oil in the loom down to ACE and airbags there are now where near as expensive to fix as some would have you believe.
A good Disco in all its merits will reward a bad one will have you pulling your hair out on many occasions. I wouldn't be with out a Land Rover although I am tempted by a little Suzuki Jimny......
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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I've got a '95 300TDi XS auto but had a "newish" 200TDi in the past. I paid £750 for my 300 knowing it was a minor MOT failure and needed work. My budget for a mint 300 auto was around £1700 and I can easily see my £750 vehicle swallowing up £1000 in parts to get to the standard I require. I'm happy with that. Therefore whilst you say you have a budget of £1000 it'll be hit or miss on what you get. I've had numerous Land Rovers, Range Rovers, Defender, Disco as well as other 4x4's in the past so knew exactly what I was letting myself in for ! D1 chassis are normally sound so one that is rotten or seller says they have repaired / evidence of welding then I'd walk away myself as there are plenty of others out there to not consider one that the main structure has already started rotting. Bodies rot everywhere. Accept it and judge standard of repairs or, like me, budget to do them yourself to a high standard. Body parts aren't horrendously expensive to do a proper job rather than being bodged / plated / filler so can give you an idea of how a previous owner has treated a vehicle - ie quick job to get an MOT or something long lasting. Mechanicals aren't difficult to work on. New parts are reasonable and plenty of good secondhand for larger items. The other day the was a thread titled "The constant battle" about the amount of work a retro / classic requires compared to modern cars. Well think of a Disco as a 1970's vehicle that you will spend every weekend doing jobs ready for going to work the next week rather than enjoying yourself playing with something else and that is what Disco ownership is like So would I use a 20 year old Disco as my everyday vehicle ? Well I have recognised mental health issues so my view doesn't really count so better to say would I advise somebody else to do so and the answer is no unless they are an enthusiast and already know what the are letting themselves into. What about a Rover 75 diesel (BMW engine) estate ? IMO an "up and coming" future classic that is underrated at present. Paul H
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tbh, unless you specifically need the green laning capabilities I would get a 330i tourer, a friend has had a few coupes and is getting low 40's mpg on a good run!!
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Kieran
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We have a 300 tdi XS. Tough basic truck. Head was cracked when we bought it, so replaced that and a quality head gasket and it's been fine since. The engines are robust and basic, and run on veg too. The immobilisers can play up, but that's an easy fix. Rot as mentioned.
Other things it's needed are a front shock, aux belt tensioner and a prop donut. Usual stuff. Loads of parts available and cheap.
We get about 28mpg out of it, even with the boost pin fitted.
I'd love a TD5 but the amount of horror stories with rot and the 3 amigos is scary (although I guess you only ever hear bad news about them!)
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1979 Mini Clubman 1.8 K series 1978 Skoda 110r Project 130RS K-oupe 1978 Austin Allegro 1500 SDL Estate 1984 BMW K100 Sidecar outfit 1999 Yamaha FZS 1000 Fazer 1991 Kawasaki ZXR400 race bike 2002 Kawasaki ZX9r race bike
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If you want to fix the head gasket on a V8 I could sell you a bargain....... Done barely any miles in the last 2.5 years. Like I say the LPG makes it cheap and its already lifted 2" on 750/16s with all the standard parts.
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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Kieran
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The v8's can get problematic with age, with liners shifting, cam wear and oil burning.
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The Ashby Jackson fleet:-
1979 Mini Clubman 1.8 K series 1978 Skoda 110r Project 130RS K-oupe 1978 Austin Allegro 1500 SDL Estate 1984 BMW K100 Sidecar outfit 1999 Yamaha FZS 1000 Fazer 1991 Kawasaki ZXR400 race bike 2002 Kawasaki ZX9r race bike
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Suffice to say i had a 200 disco, had to do lots of 300 mile round trips to my ailing grandfather and it never let me down once. I used to work on them With Monzaphil, i can replace a rear floor panel in under 8 hours from strip down interior to refitted interior, ive done a few Defo the 200 and 300 tdis are the better, personaly i would go 200 over a 300, but thats my personal preference.
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'88 Cadillac Brougham hearse (white) '91 Carlton GSi 24v '72 Dodge dual cab pick up '99 Mercedes S55 AMG
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