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Jun 11, 2007 14:15:45 GMT
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www.out-law.com/page-8122Not going to pull the text and repost, not from a copyrighted web page belonoing to a law firm's subscription service anyway.... If people can't get on the link let me know. Prius gets **PWNED** on advertised environmental benefits.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 11, 2007 14:20:23 GMT
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[glow=red,2,300]HA! HA! HA![/glow]Unfortunately it won't stop Tofu-eaters and fashion victims buying the damned things, but a small victory nonetheless.
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2007 14:20:51 GMT by briandamaged
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Jun 11, 2007 14:22:42 GMT
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Works for me, interested read. I guess that'll save a few million from spouting incorrect statements as fact, at least until they compile a new advert that words the same thing differently.
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Skyline: 1963 - 1973 - 1983 Sunny: 1982 450SLC: 1973 Navara: 1992 Gloria: 1992
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Jun 11, 2007 14:24:52 GMT
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Theres equally dodgy claims out there that a Hummer H2 is actually "greener" than a Prius. Such claims are based on some interesting and flawed assumptions. But are good for a laugh anyway.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 11, 2007 14:26:23 GMT
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Good, I'm glad they've been rumbled on that The only Priusses (?!) round here are driven by some very very old looking people strangely enough.
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Jun 11, 2007 14:34:09 GMT
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 11, 2007 14:40:49 GMT
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Hey nowt wrong with eating Tofu! Hippies would not drive a prius though, anyone doing teh environmental thing and had brains would be cycling/walking, shopping locally, eatin local produce etc etc or at worst using an old car. world would be a better place if more people walked and cycled IMO but thats a different issue. Glad they got rumbled at long last, too many people believing what they are told these days, can't be assed communicating with these people TBH but if they are in law in laws, let the 'debate' begin!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jun 11, 2007 14:52:42 GMT
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Surely the ultimate in recycling would be to buy one car and use and maintain that forever? recycling it's use rather than it's entity. That is if you're going to have a car at all, and be a hippie. I don't see how constantly buying the newest most energy efficient cars at any stage they're released would help in the slightest.
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Skyline: 1963 - 1973 - 1983 Sunny: 1982 450SLC: 1973 Navara: 1992 Gloria: 1992
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Jun 11, 2007 14:54:09 GMT
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^^^^ exactly.
However that revalation does not translate to a good profit margin for car manufacturers.
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2007 14:54:45 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 11, 2007 14:56:48 GMT
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Just preeching points aren't they for posh thick self important people? though Interested to read about the new Toyota 'Supra' , its gonna be a hybrid thingy too. different though sort of, and still produces wad loads of power and performance don't fancy having one when they are old all those batterys and gizmo's to fix or reolace
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jun 11, 2007 15:02:14 GMT
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Toyota are launching Prius as a brand now and will have a whole model range under it. The "new Supra" may well be badged as a Prius not a Toyota
Did anyone see that Trevor McDonut programme a few days ago where they "raced" 4 different cars on 1.50 worth of fuel..
A Merc diesel running on free chip fat (and the bloke moaning about paying fuel duty on it)
A pruis with some woman moaning "I'm getting 52 MPG right now, look right now 52 MPG!!!!"
A G-Wizz, a car so small and cacky that its except from type approval and is only bought by the particularly stupid people who inhabit the "better" boroughs of London but just abotu every road safety group is calling for to be banned because its so unsafe...
A Saab Ecopower running on Polish vodka
And a BMW which runs on hydrogen but you can't buy because its experimental
And Quentin Wilson "doing his bit" for the green cause by calling for the government to giove peopel income tax rebates to buy a new Prius with.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 11, 2007 15:08:06 GMT
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What won?
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Jun 11, 2007 15:13:06 GMT
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Erm, I dunno, I lost interest, but I think it was the Prius. Because it had to win so that they could then go on about how the government needs to give tax breaks to people to buy them.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 11, 2007 15:21:00 GMT
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I was glad to see this too. I'm a bit of an electric vehicle enthusiast. I'm a member of one or two electric vehicle mailing lists and forums and my next new car will be electric. So I keep surprising people when I express my view that the Prius is a pile of junk. What is particularly annoying about hybrid cars like the Prius from the point of view of an EV enthusiast is that they have managed to steal the green limelight as though they're the only choice. They're not the only choice and they're not a particularly good choice either. So why are hybrids so curse word? For a start, they're neither an EV nor an IC car. When they're running on the IC engine they're an IC car towing around an electric car and when they're running on the electric it's hauling round all the IC mechanicals. Add to that that the integration of the two makes them nightmarishly complex the benefit starts to go up in smoke. And the economy takes a bit of a beating under scrutiny too. If you're some lard-arsed American(Sorry chaps, pandering to a stereotype... ) and you drive a some Godawful throwback leviathon with spongy suspension and an auto box then 65 MPG or so you get from the Prius probably sounds good. But here in Europe where we're used to small turbo diesels that can do that sort of economy and better without freighting around all the hybrid cr@p you have to ask yourself what's the point? Bring me a car that's _really_ green! So what are the alternatives for the wannabe greenie? For a start, the small turbodiesels I mentioned. My Polo 1.4tdi is 6 years old and gives similar fuel consumption to a Prius, in the last 6 years most manufacturers have come up with similar and even better cars. The same package in an aluminium shell, AKA the Audi A2 gives you an MPG in the 70s. Suddenly the Prius looks rather thirsty. Don't want an IC car? EVs are at an exciting technological point right now. Charge one on a renewable tariff and you're as green as it gets. Forget 30mph quadricycles like the Reva, they're fun but ultimately useless. Even forget more practical EVs like the Citroen Berlingo or for motorcyclists the Vectrix, both with NiCd batteries and roughly 65mph, 70 mile range. Start looking out for practical Li-Ion powered EVs over the next few years with 70+mph top speeds and ranges nearing 200 miles. (You can have one now if you're prepared to spend about 20 grand on a conversion, but that's a bit steep.) Otherwise you're probably better off saving the energy used in the manufacture of a new car by keeping a retro on the road.
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"Jeremy Clarkson, a man we motor enthusiasts need on our side like Lewis Hamilton's F1 car needs a towing ball and a Sprite Musketeer" My motor
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Jun 11, 2007 15:36:03 GMT
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These Priuses and hybrids and the like are a great big fat load of sweaty builders' crack if you ask me.
There is a great editorial in this months 'Car' mag by post-cocaine-binge-Jason-Donovan-lookalike Gavin Green about the 30+ yr-old mercs and pugs that chug around Morocco drinking biodiesel, chip fat and waste engine oil, which are surely more eco-friendly by any conceivable measure than a highly complex Prius which is full of circuit boards and batteries and which will be uneconomic to repair when the transistors and that go on the blink at 9 years old.
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Jun 11, 2007 16:25:31 GMT
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These Priuses and hybrids and the like are a great big fat load of sweaty builders' crack if you ask me. There is a great editorial in this months 'Car' mag by post-cocaine-binge-Jason-Donovan-lookalike Gavin Green about the 30+ yr-old mercs and pugs that chug around Morocco drinking biodiesel, chip fat and waste engine oil, which are surely more eco-friendly by any conceivable measure than a highly complex Prius which is full of circuit boards and batteries and which will be uneconomic to repair when the transistors and that go on the blink at 9 years old. IMHO it won't be dead electronics that kill off Priuses, it'll be the astronomical bills required when a fault develops in the drivetrain. There are two motors, a petrol engine and a gearbox there with an epicyclic gearbox sharing the power out between them. The bills for owners of 10 year old second hand cars when bits of that lot start to wear out are going to make Citroen CX garage bills look cheap. Electronics by comparison, are reliable, will no doubt have aftermarket repaired units by the time they start dying insignificant numbers, and most importantly are easily replaced modules on the outside of the engine. Just my 2p.
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"Jeremy Clarkson, a man we motor enthusiasts need on our side like Lewis Hamilton's F1 car needs a towing ball and a Sprite Musketeer" My motor
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Jun 11, 2007 16:33:05 GMT
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Did anyone see the motoring section in the Observer magazine this weekend? Their columnist had a knackered Volvo 740, and had been justifying keeping it because he reckoned keeping it running was greener than buying a new small diesel or whatever.
They then quoted that 80% of carbon emitted in a cars lifecycle is from daily use, with 10% each from making it and scrapping it. Can't remember where they got their stats from mind, but he ended up saying his Volvo was going to the crusher...
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Jun 11, 2007 17:06:09 GMT
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I just have one question about hybrid cars, which I daren't ask anywhere else. Why do a lot of them have weird 1980s style flat-face wheels? Usually with heavily polished diamond cut surfaces, too. Is it an American thing? They seem to go for that sort of style.
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Jun 11, 2007 17:06:57 GMT
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I feckin' despise the Toyota Prius, mainly because it's sold on the back of shoddy statistics. Most of our electricity comes from nuclear, gas and coal. Congratulations. A Uranium-powered car. The planet is saved.
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Jun 11, 2007 17:12:03 GMT
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Why do a lot of them have weird 1980s style flat-face wheels? Usually with heavily polished diamond cut surfaces, too. Is it an American thing? They seem to go for that sort of style. My guess would be cos of efficient aerodynamics, thats the reason the sierra had those funky wheel trims, aswell as pointing out that the car is the future too... maybe.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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