bstardchild
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Oct 20, 2015 11:38:15 GMT
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yeah i can do. probably easiest for you to make the panel up and draw on it what you want then run em down to me and i can add some lines. ive only got two sets of dies til i get round to making some more though- the swage size you see above, and the step size i used on the raised panel on the previous page.t here are also some other design limitations to take into consideration, such as i cant run a swage more than 20" from the edge of a panel due to the depth of the throat on the roller. Thanks Dez - I'm a little way off needing them yet but I appreciate your help - Quite happy to cover your labour time and a bottle of whatever tipple you like.
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Oct 20, 2015 12:17:29 GMT
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Wow there is some cool stuff hiding in this workshop! I just read most of this build thread and I am a little confused as to what's going on... Has this car been sold but you are finishing it for someone now? What's the plan with the other motors hiding in the background?
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Dez
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Oct 20, 2015 13:30:52 GMT
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yeah i can do. probably easiest for you to make the panel up and draw on it what you want then run em down to me and i can add some lines. ive only got two sets of dies til i get round to making some more though- the swage size you see above, and the step size i used on the raised panel on the previous page.t here are also some other design limitations to take into consideration, such as i cant run a swage more than 20" from the edge of a panel due to the depth of the throat on the roller. Thanks Dez - I'm a little way off needing them yet but I appreciate your help - Quite happy to cover your labour time and a bottle of whatever tipple you like. Not a problem. Just let me know when you're ready.
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Dez
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Oct 20, 2015 13:33:31 GMT
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Wow there is some cool stuff hiding in this workshop! I just read most of this build thread and I am a little confused as to what's going on... Has this car been sold but you are finishing it for someone now? What's the plan with the other motors hiding in the background? Yes. He's bought the car and paid extra for the chop/roof work and lowering. There's build threads for some of the others on here. I'm trying to thin the fleet a little so I can crack on and get a long-termed or two done- namely my model A.
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Oct 20, 2015 14:07:29 GMT
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Ah awesome! That's very cool that you get to see the car through to the end of the build.
Keep up the good work!
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Dez
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after a brief excursion to get more gas, i spent pretty much all of yesterday just finishing one rear roof corner. for those who havent done one, thats the thing with roof chops- 90% of your time goes into welding up, grinding down and dressing out the cuts you don't want people to see, rather than the big visual changes you do want them to notice. here ive got all the bits made and tacked into place. i still need to reshape the rear corner for it to meet the back panel right though. notice the profile of the side section where it meets the gutter, a trickly little double step than had to be knocked in by hand- fastforward quite while and ive got to all buzzed together, ground down and roughly dressed back out- still the gutter section to add yet- you will notice here ive left the diagonal join partially visible, and not dressed it out all the way. this is deliberate, to suggest that that line is a factory join, whereas ive smoothed the others out altogether- ive also welded and ground back the big relief cut that runs the full length of the roof- lots of tacking and grinding to get it back smooth- on todays itinerary- repat it all over again on the other side! once ive taken the glass to be cut that is.
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Last Edit: Oct 22, 2015 9:27:07 GMT by Dez
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vulgalour
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Oct 22, 2015 17:47:58 GMT
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That's just the sort of attention to detail nobody will ever notice, a really beautiful thing.
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Dez
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Last Edit: Nov 2, 2015 21:02:22 GMT by Dez
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vulgalour
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Roof porn.
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Dez
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then, steel turned up so i made this- i had a bloody mare of a time with the bead roller, it doesnt like fresh oiled steel, the rollers cant grip it properly so it slides around quite a lot. old dry/slightly surface rusted stuff works so much better. a couple of lines arent quite 100% but you don't really notice them once its in so i wont mention them really i should have kicked it round the yard for a day before i put it in to match the rest of the bed, but i didnt have time. i had to hand chase the inner corners too as the roller didnt have enough swing as i was working close to its depth limits. in case you hadnt noticed, the swaged shapes are supposed to emulate the ones on the tailgate. nice welds in the corners though- unsurprisingly, its made a huge amount of difference to the strength of the bed. so now i could break open the tacked shut tailgate, and proceed with making a fill panel for the bottom rail of the bed. this serves two purposes, it fills the gap between the tailgate/frame for the bed wood and the back end of the chassis, and will also mount the tailgate hinges. here is the fill panel. i struggled for something to make this out of, its an odd dimension both depth and height wise, and it needs to be reasonably heavyweight as the tailgate hinges are welding straight to it. in the end i made it out of 2 lengths of unequal 2.5mm thick angle, one of with i had to trim down the shorter side on to set the depth correctly. these had to welded together lengthways and smoothed off. you can just see the join here- once that was in place, fitting the hinges was fairly straightforward/ clamp on the tailgate and slip the hinges in in approximately the right place, tack them at one end then tap them about until they're square/inline. then it does this- hurrah! notice all 3 go the same way so the tailgate is removable if needs be. i still have to make some latches of some sort but I'm undecided on how theyll work yet. but theyll use the stock '34 ford tailgate latches i think. so while i mused those, i started roughing out the new rear window frame. the old one was some ally step edging mitre cut and tigersealed to the edges of the perspex window, which was in turn tigersealed to the cab back. its fair to say it looked sh1t. my new version, although in theory very similar, is going to in practice be a much more refined item. its going to be made out of solid ally, with rounded corners, and 'milled' to shape to look like a proper garnish moulding. its gunna be done like this as i cant find any steel or brass strippage in an appropriate profile to bend up into a frame. now i don't have a mill, so some studio engineering will come into play here but first, i need to make out the shape the cut it out. marking- internal radii and roughing out the shape- here why it takes some cutting- 12mm thick..... i will be carrying on with that tomorrow. oh and one last little bit, i recycled some now disused panels off my model A into the start of some bed frame infill panels. they still need trimming down further but i need the wings off to check for fit. i think their provenance calls for a price increase!
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Last Edit: Nov 2, 2015 21:42:21 GMT by Dez
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Davenger
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Not too shabby mate. Be nice to see some progress on the A
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Dez
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doing this has been a handy 'fact finding' mission to test if it would be possible to do the roof on my A in a similar way, as I'm still undecided between a canvas or metal roof. it hasnt really supplied me with an answer though, only more questions/problems to overcome. it will be WAY harder than i thought i would be and would require much more bracing than i thought- the roof area is about 6x bigger than this. plus i think id have to devise some sort of fence system for the bead roller as id be pulling lines over 6' long.... food for thought. part of me really wants to do it though just cos i now know it will be so difficult. i likes a challenge.
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Dez
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Not too shabby mate. Be nice to see some progress on the A tell me about it. this has very much bean a year of assimilation, but i do want to get back to it over the winter.
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luckygti
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Looks superb pal, in awe as always.
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Dez
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cheers pete!
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Dez
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first job this morning, a run into town to collect this lot- again i heartily recommend ipswich car glass and trim, they're top guys. kev had actually done this for me quick last week but i was sans phone for a few days so i didnt know about it until today. ive watched him cut glass for me before and hes one of those people who makes something very difficult look dead easy. they don't charge a fortune either. so if you need glass in this area, use 'em! then, on with the window frame. id cut out the centre section and filed most of the edges square yesterday, on and off between other things. id erred on the side of caution when cutting, and made sure id backcut each side so there was more material than there needed to be on the opposite side to where id marked itout , if that makes sense. but this meant there was quite a bit of material to remove to get them square, so i dragged out the big b@stArd file and set to, and that ripped it back pretty quick- but theres no denying it was quite a lot of work! my arms and shoulders know about it today thats for sure. theres probably easier ways to do it, but for a one off piece i was happy doing it this way. cut out- and squared up- its important the edges are dead square and smooth, as the guide bearing in this is going to have to run against them- that right, its a router. ive seen this technique used before, mostly on alloy wheel centres- id even tried it myself once years ago with mixed results. its very much down to the bits you have being suitable really. but id never seen it used for a cosmetic job like this, where it has to produce a good result. the test piece on an offcut to get the cutting depth right. it was a bit chattery at the end but i figured it was because it wasnt adequately supported so could vibrate- so, i clamped the real frame down to my handy lump of RSJ, covered it in lube, and took a deep breath. the results are surprisingly good i think! i did get a bit of chattering on the corners until i got used to it, but its nothing that didnt sand out easily. more in progress pics- but be warned, it makes a *bit* of a mess- once id gone round both sides with the radius, i decided to get real cocky and do a rebate on the inside for the glass too. the results here werent quite as good as the first cut, they required a bit of cleaning up after as the cutter was smaller so tended to clog more, i had to stop quite a lot to scrape all the ally out of it. but with a bit of patience it turned out well- will deffo be using this technique again, I'm amazed at how well it worked. the router bits were nothing special either, a cheapy £7 for a dozen set from lidl. and the last thing for today was a few hours on the lathe making up bits to do the front suspension- more about what these will be used for tomorrow.
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Last Edit: Nov 4, 2015 20:59:48 GMT by Dez
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v8
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Fantastic work ! I missed this thread due to the title Keep the pics comming
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That window frame, like the rest of the build, is just pure class.
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That turned out great! Nice update Dez
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mylittletony
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That window surround looks superb! I love working by hand with ally, but the router tip is brilliant
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