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Time for a productive, 'all in' thread huh? I'm not sure about fibeglass, I like and then i'm sceptical about protection for me and it. i'll chat tomorrow more about this massive subject. but as an owner i'll leave you with mine and a few pics to get the ball rolling. love/hate?     ^ they are glass yeah?  |
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 it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts  |
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hate. tried using it (p40 stylee) and its awful, and nigh impossible to shape or sand effectively. with mats i'd change my mind though...
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the only mega problem is fibreglass osmosis. Google it, its quite interesting reading for plastic fetishists.
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I'm not sure about fibeglass, I like and then i'm sceptical about protection for me and it. i'll chat tomorrow more about this massive subject. but as an owner i'll leave you with mine and a few pics to get the ball rolling. its a lot stronger than you think.there are cars out the which are grp and have no seperate chassis.in fact sometimes grp can be safer because in a crash it just shatters and disperses the energy that way,two guys in a davrian hit a brick wall during a rally and the front of the car just splintered absorbing all the forces and they just walked away,and after a new front end was grafted on the car lived another day too,if it was steel it would most likely needed a reshell. not strictly retro i know but is has got a v8 and its holds some good memories for me.  |
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Interesting factiods. maybe i should not have the FEAR!  ;D  I'm worried about the hidden framework on my Alfa effort, guess i'll have to get in somehow and see how its slung togeter and treat with some metal with oil or summat. theres a load of slapped on glass on the front and holes filled with that expanding foam, don't like that stuff, i get some close up pics and add to this thread at somepoint. So on teh whole a good thing, could almost be an ideal material for modern cars? light energy efficiant, absorbs crashes... ? always seems mad all the weight applied to a car, and for retro's, all the rust potential, but with glass you have potentail for that with the chassis. fun!  |
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What's n not to like   |
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable. |
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coaches, HGVs, all sorts are made from GRP. As are Lotus, Corvettes, and other "high end" or just plain expensive cars. Boats are made from GRP, even quite large ones. Some aircraft applications of GRP too. For the right application its a good material.
How would you feel in an ash framed aluminium skinned car?
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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How well does fibreglass work when it comes to effecting a temporary repair? My valance corners/rear arches are really starting to show some damage and I don't really have the skill to hack it out and re-weld in fresh steel. Maybe it's just an excuse to avoid it. Guess I'll have to learn to do it, just really don't want to mess this one up  |
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it works sort of like a band aid. I as much as a band aid makes your skin behind it go all manky and puss filled if you leave it on too long.
Body filler is for dressing off a repair, not for being the repair
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Hah. Don't think the owner of my previous 1500 had learnt that ;D    Best starting reading my Haynes bodywork book and learn to weld properly then. Ta ;D |
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 This has a fibreglass body (back on track) |
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ive been pondering making my own bonnet
anyone done anything along these lines, saw a mk3 fezzy one made for a track car on another forum looked good quality....apart from the GTiR scoop moulded in
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 once again rocking with 1117cc and 4 gears! |
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been studing GRP for my Product Design exam [which is tomorrow!  ] Its a composite where they mix glass fibres with a resin. Its built up in layers and as such the glass fibres are over linked to create a high strength. We watched a video at college where the head technical guy at Lotus was talking about the body of Esprits. They make the body using a mould and have the GRP made different at specific points so that it is strong and can withstand inpact. Its all actually rather clever. I wouldn't worry about it.   No body rust either. |
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anybody who says fibreglass is weak clealy hasnt looked at the numbers.... in my opinion its good stuff; its bloody strong when its thick enough! i can think of two cases of steel cars going into the back of scimitars; one impact was a car doing 60-70 going into the back of a stationary scimitar, and in both cases the steel car was a write off; the scimitar drove home!
it cracks, spliters and does all sorts of weird things, but it absorbs alot of impact very well.
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I remember that the R5 Turbo 2 rally car affair had a 5 or 6inch fibreglass tube running down the middle of it to absorb the impact of a crash.
That said, i'd be happy to drive around in a 'glass wagon!
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Sorry - no pics to hand - but my Dad has a McCoy kit car, which is basically a Clan Crusader fibreglass body but built onto Mini subframes (and therefore with an A-series up front, not an Imp engine out back). It's really, really surprising how stiff it feels, the thing was built in 1979 or thereabouts and there's no signs of cracking or stress. I say: good stuff! |
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My fleet:
Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres
A borrowed Mondeo
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Why isn't it still used in car production?
But aren't Renault Clio front wings plastic?
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Why isn't it still used in car production? I was wondering the same! The car I was on about, the front and rear corners are mega tough - no need for bumpers even! So why did Ford make the bumpers on my Mondeo out of melted-down yogurt pots? My Mondy is a mobile advert for gaffer(sp?) tape... |
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My fleet:
Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres
A borrowed Mondeo
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Hope noone thought I was slating or being wussy, armed with comments in this thread, I think I have the best of both worlds Alfetta, less rust, and less weight, and all the mechanical goodness! Just thought it was time for decent discussion for all instead of,, you know,,, -- it looks wierd when you see an unfinished car, smashed car, or one with no interior, seing a non aesthetic metal frame and rough material kind of looks a bit cheap if I can say that without offence.  So its kind of old tech, but high tech. Seen people warned off glass wings on the MR2 forum lots recently, and I even posted up pandamatt's fastback as an example of how invisible they can look. I will be shedding weight on the MR2 and was thinking of dabbling in carbon-fibre, am I just a bit too racing car, fast and furious? Should I get jiggy with an old skool fibre glass kit, actually I have one.... Why isn't it still used in car production? Good question, given teh evidence, why not, or is it like overpackaging. people will only spend hard earned on a real metal car? as for crappy plastic bumpers, I have no idea, whats wrong with rubber, or elstomer poly bush type materials!!1  |
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Its cost I guess, can glassfiber be laid up by machine?
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2007 13:47:52 GMT by VW
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