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Jan 16, 2015 13:30:29 GMT
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What really get me lately the last couple of years is "whats your best price or whats your last price?" Or I'm 200 miles away so bla bla bla, I just say now cant you find a car closer to you? and then you want to come and see it at 11pm or something stupid like that.
I wont give any price now until someone's seen a car I'm selling. Ive even had to tell 2 people over the last couple off years to curse word off and stop wasting my time even then they still try and get the car for half the asking price, back street traders normally.
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THE_Liam
Yorkshire and The Humber
If at first you don't succeed... HAMMERS.
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Jan 16, 2015 13:55:33 GMT
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I was selling a 106 GTI, and the first 3 lads who came to see it all couldn't get insured on it, even though when I realised they were spotty teenagers I asked them if they'd got quotes.
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EmDee
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Jan 16, 2015 13:56:00 GMT
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Being in the motor trade, I get this all the time.
You see, selling a car is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. First of all, verify her year of origin. She may look like she rolled off the production line in 1995 but who's to say the fellow before you didn't give her a good spraying? The body has to be perfect with no signs of wear and tear before taking out your wallet and making an offer.
Once you get her home, you can give her a good wash. Washing a car is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You caress the bodywork gently but firmly. Make sure you've got a nice wet sponge - then you can start on the interior. Ensure your Henry is fully extended before giving her a damn good going over. Once you're done, you can light your pipe, stand back and admire your handiwork.
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THE_Liam
Yorkshire and The Humber
If at first you don't succeed... HAMMERS.
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Jan 16, 2015 14:05:11 GMT
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Being in the motor trade, I get this all the time. You see, selling a car is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. First of all, verify her year of origin. She may look like she rolled off the production line in 1995 but who's to say the fellow before you didn't give her a good spraying? The body has to be perfect with no signs of wear and tear before taking out your wallet and making an offer. Once you get her home, you can give her a good wash. Washing a car is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You caress the bodywork gently but firmly. Make sure you've got a nice wet sponge - then you can start on the interior. Ensure your Henry is fully extended before giving her a damn good going over. Once you're done, you can light your pipe, stand back and admire your handiwork. Legend! Living up to your avatar. "Putting up a tent is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You've got to open the flaps, put up your pole, and slip in to the old bag"
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Jan 16, 2015 14:14:25 GMT
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car is currently on ebay, have had 3 offers of two people neither are in the uk, and some one due to call today at lunchtime to come view this afternoon,
I Hate trying to sell cars through ebay,
when selling the puma had few messers then someone 5 miles away asked for details next morning 9am phone call person was on there way turned up didnt even look at car or barter over price gave me over what i was asking filled in log book and drove off in it, shame everybody isnt like that,
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tdk
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Jan 16, 2015 14:36:32 GMT
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What really get me lately the last couple of years is "whats your best price?" When I get that question I tell them the car is sold and sell it instead to someone who won't invariable be a pain in the bum. Vetting potential buyers is easy, they'll be polite, ask the right questions, communicate by telephone and not talk prices until they've viewed it. If they're not, tell them "it's sold" and avoid the headache of dealing with timewaters. Works for me.
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Jan 16, 2015 17:47:50 GMT
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For some reason cars seem to attract bell ends, particularly on eBay. I 'sold' an CLK a few years back to a chap who was coming a long way collect it, so I assumed he'd be a decent buyer...... He turned up, kicked the tyres and offered me £500 less than the auction price. Naturally I refused so he walked away - prick.
It turned out he'd 'won' 5 other CLKs, all on eBay and was going round looking at them all and picking the one he could get cheapest. He then had the audacity to leave negative feedback, which I got removed and he was banned a week later once the other sellers reported him. A grade A cock spurt.
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Last Edit: Jan 16, 2015 17:48:31 GMT by pieeater
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Jan 16, 2015 17:51:16 GMT
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As a rule I sell my cars on fleabay, and I dread it... what a seething hive of knuckle dragging morons that place is. All to often you have to "sell" it two or three times before you get a genuine bidder on it. I've got one of my cars on it right now, it is probably ending as I write this, but the last time I checked, the guy that was "winning" has no feedback, and joined ebay the day I listed my car. Is he going to come and buy it if he wins? I doubt it!! So then I'm into re-listing it, and annoyingly I've had a couple of people view it, then offer me cash which was more than I want, but I've turned them down because it had met its reserve, and I thought it unfair to the bidders. If you say youre going to buy something, or win an auction for something, then buy it, drive it, enjoy it, and if you find you don't enjoy it, then sell it... Incredibly my car did sell on ebay yesterday. The guy showed up went all around it pointing out 'faults' in my old work truck, which I'd already pointed out on my listing. Then tried to offer me £750 less than he won it for. We then argued for about an hour until I actually closed my front door on him! Then he said, ok I'll give you the full amount, he handed me the money, and told me to count it which I did, and as some had the paper band from the bank around it, I didn't unwrap it I just counted the notes from the end, and it was all there. But when I counted it properly after they'd left I found some of the notes were folded in half, and I'm now £160 down. Not a great deal I know, but a bit irritating, mainly because I should've checked! I just wouldn't have had the nerve to do that to someone!
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Jan 16, 2015 17:56:42 GMT
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As a rule I sell my cars on fleabay, and I dread it... what a seething hive of knuckle dragging morons that place is. All to often you have to "sell" it two or three times before you get a genuine bidder on it. I've got one of my cars on it right now, it is probably ending as I write this, but the last time I checked, the guy that was "winning" has no feedback, and joined ebay the day I listed my car. Is he going to come and buy it if he wins? I doubt it!! So then I'm into re-listing it, and annoyingly I've had a couple of people view it, then offer me cash which was more than I want, but I've turned them down because it had met its reserve, and I thought it unfair to the bidders. If you say youre going to buy something, or win an auction for something, then buy it, drive it, enjoy it, and if you find you don't enjoy it, then sell it... Incredibly my car did sell on ebay yesterday. The guy showed up went all around it pointing out 'faults' in my old work truck, which I'd already pointed out on my listing. Then tried to offer me £750 less than he won it for. We then argued for about an hour until I actually closed my front door on him! Then he said, ok I'll give you the full amount, he handed me the money, and told me to count it which I did, and as some had the paper band from the bank around it, I didn't unwrap it I just counted the notes from the end, and it was all there. But when I counted it properly after they'd left I found some of the notes were folded in half, and I'm now £160 down. Not a great deal I know, but a bit irritating, mainly because I should've checked! I just wouldn't have had the nerve to do that to someone! That's technically theft. Report him to ebay as not having bought the car just to curse word him off.
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Jan 16, 2015 19:18:31 GMT
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And not just cars this happens on its parts aswell , including parts sold I forums
A chap over on another forum has had a used stainless exhsust manifold for sale, I messaged him today as the one on my car has a snapped bolt in it. Agreed to pay the asking price , then before I coukd pay he messages to say the manifold is his brothers and he wants more money for it! He then goes and adjusts the price on his forsale thread
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Fungus
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One thing that I can never understand, when someone is selling a car or bike, is the whole 'offers around £xx' thing.
Why ask people for offer around, say, £500? You've basically just told people that you'll take £500 anyway.
I just saw a motorbike advertised, with the price as follows; '£1000, £950 is the lowest I'll take'- does anyone else find that really stupid? I've always gone by the rule that negotiation is expected- if I want £1000 for my car, I'll price it at £1100 and take an offer.
I also agree with the previous post about the 'if gone by tonight' thing. Does the price really go back up tomorrow? What if the buyer can't make it that day? Just seems like a desperate thing to say, which isn't good when you're selling something.
Ugh, I'm ranting. I hate rants.
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Last Edit: Jan 17, 2015 2:36:38 GMT by Fungus
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JohnK
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The one that annoys me, mainly on the Facebook selling pages but sometimes forums, is no price but 'offers'.
Some knob end invariably offers 200 quid then the seller responds calling him a cheeky so and so and it's worth more than that. Tell us the bloody price then tw@.
There are some absolute cranks out there though when it comes to selling cars. If I have to stick something on eBay or Gumtree it's a right faff on. Facebook is terrible ... All of the comments look like a bloody auction with silly offers being made. Yeah because I will knock £300 off the car you haven't seen which is just around the corner from you. Don't get me wrong I 'm open to negotiation and haggling, as the above poster said I too have the 'advert price' and the 'will sell for price' which is lower and has some haggling room. Flip side however, selling through forums such as this I, *touch wood* have only met genuine people who don't mess about and will come when they say they are, will be realistic that a 20+ year old car isn't immaculate and won't offer silly money.
I think though, for every crank of a buyer, there is equally a seller who is just as stupid/just as much a pain in the backside. We all moan about buyers but I bet some of us have met proper weird sellers too!
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THE_Liam
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Definitely. I always take proof of 3rd party cover with me when I go look at a car, but sometimes even with that people won't let you test drive the car. I just walk away, that implies there's something to hide.
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ChasR
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Jan 17, 2015 10:24:40 GMT
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Well, I can see this thread heading for the whinge bin so I may as well get in before the lock and give my views on the matter. Firstly, I am sorry for the OP's loss, and wish him the best in an awkward time. Now for the cars. IMHO the above is about the biggest reason for why many people I know in my circles (despite being car people) will almost always go through a garage, be it to sell a car to them or to take it in PX. TBH it is a small wonder ; for dealers selling a car is profitable but they do have to build up a thick skin to the above nonsense. I guess for people who have sold many cars privately it is not an issue as it is for some. FWIW, I have only had one or two iffy experiences on eBay, but they were people who wanted a bargain for their cash, and they are present in every walk of life (after all, we all want something for nothing right? ). Now, for other experiences , but I may as well throw some pics in. A friend of mine sold a Galaxy on eBay. Somehow, a guy who was 'driving in Rugby' managed to clock his car on the street and managed to find the car in a rather quiet part of town (where my friend lived!) He then camped outside and looked at the car in the morning a few hours before the car was set to end on the auction. How my friends and I did not chuckle at that situation. I may have sold a couple of cars for him since mind you... Whilst most of my deals may have involved some haggling (everyone likes a deal, let's be honest) none came close to my 106 GTi. A gentleman text me asking if I would take £800 on a £900 car. Being naive at the time I told him why not (the car was taking up space and I needed shot of it ASAP). When he came to view it he was saying that bodywork was not an issue for him. He ignored the tidy interior and mechanical state of the car, and then started picking on the bits of bodywork I had replaced, saying the colour match was not great (I did not even mention other panels I had changed with a worse colour match with how much he was talking). He then said "there's one on Gumtree without leather and a huge dent in the boot for £600, that's the same as yours (well, it wasn't if mine was dent free...). In the end he walked away empty handed, and I did get from the second buyer what I wanted and he seemed like a decent bloke to boot . My Porsche 944 Turbo was a very interesting sell. From the PCGB forum a newcomer had joined the forum, and since my cashflow was not great at that time I decided to chance my hand at potentially selling the 951. I was quite upfront about the issues the car had (the ripped driver's seat basically) but stated that the car was a known car in the 944 circles. He said that he was after an original car but he stuck with taking a look at it. I then drove the car to the Ace cafe since I was meeting up with the 924 fraternity. Upon meeting him there, he brought along a friend with him to look over the car. Both of them seemed quite happy and noted many fixings being as they should be on my car which were broken on 'low mileage' 5 figure cars they were looking at. Then came the test drive. I do not think he quite expected the power delivery to be what it was because it scared me! He was quite surprised and said it was the most responsive 951 he had ever driven. He also loved the fact that the KWs were super comfy for what the suspension was whilst being quite low. He then mentioned about pulling the car apart to take it back to standard (so, the suspension, brakes, power upgrades etc.). Then he insisted on getting a car inspection done by some bloke in London for £250. His deal for me was that if the car was as good as I said he would pay my asking price. However, if the guy valued the car less than what I put it up for then I would pay for half of the inspection in addition to coming down to that price! The vinyl disc came to a halt. I pulled the deal at that point, especially when I saw the inspector's laughable 'trade' valuations for a 944: Poor: £500 (an engine goes for £1500 these days with bumpers getting around £200 a pop; great valuation eh?). Average: £1500 Good: £2500 Superb: £3500 Dealer: £5000+ If his inspector can get me a great 944 Turbo for £3.5k I am all ears. How I tried not to laugh when he bought a stock Turbo for £2k more than mine (low mileage and original) only for the HG to blow on him on the return journey home. For the seller of that car, the deal became messy. If I am honest, I am glad that the deal went sour for me! Eventually I sold the 944 for more than what I was selling it for the the man above, so that ended well . The Stag had its share of people offering me £3.5k for it when it was working properly, with them insulting many things about the car. The last guy who came to look at it informed me that it was better than alot of stuff he had seen, with the other cars costing more than what mine was advertised for (assuming I fixed the gearbox). I could not have sold the car to a better guy if I am honest, so that ended really well, and I wish the owner and car well there : Who is to blame? Cocky people? Wheeler Dealers et al. giving everyone hope that they can 'old owwt 'eir haaaaand' and bargain people down hard? IMHO it is part and parcel of selling a car, although as AlistairK's FAQ details one can take many measure to reduce such outcomes but they will IMO always be present. After all, this is why people like going to garages or selling their cars for stupidly low fees to We Buy Any car.com etc . No for some cool pics :
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dallow
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Jan 17, 2015 10:41:39 GMT
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I sold a rough old transit on ebay last year , I clearly stipulated that it had to be gone within 3 days . Some idiot from the other end of the country wins it and then messages me to say they don't have the money to pay for it but will in 4-5 days. 5 days later and they still don't have any money and want me to hold it for them for 2 weeks!!!! I refused and they left me a negative. curse word
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Jan 17, 2015 20:51:39 GMT
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I've sold loads of cars, I do abit of wheeling and dealing myself but I buy from auction and don't insult sellers with low offers.
I can only think of two bad experiences when selling. One was an octavia vrs where a couple of lads turned up to view it, was all going well until the test drive when the one lad decided to thrash the living curse word out of my car. Bouncing off the Rev limiter in every gear and flat out round every corner. I pulled the handbrake up in the end at some traffic lights and told him to get out. He laughed and said "sorry was I scaring you" I said "no, do what you like when you own it but while it's mine you drive it sensibly" in the end he said it wasn't quick enough and walked away. I was fuming, they'd travelled 150 miles to view it too.
The other time was a fiesta zetec-s I took in p/x. The car was a shed and I listed it on eBay as spares or repair no reserve auction and pointed out all the faults. Some of our ethnic cousins won the car for £250, travelled 2 hours from Essex to pick it up eventually turning up at nearly midnight! It was pitch black and they went round the car with a fine tooth comb, pointing out every little mark and fault then offering me £150. I laughed and said no, you bid £250 you pay £250. To cut a long story short we was still arguing on my drive at 1am at which point I took the keys off him and shut the front door in his face. Eventually he knocked the door and agreed to pay the £250, even though while filling in the paperwork he still tried to get me to knock a tenner off for fuel!
I stick to classified ads on eBay now. Less time wasters and at least they have to view the car before making an offer. Cheaper than auction listing too.
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Jan 17, 2015 22:23:57 GMT
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Very sorry to hear of your circumstances OP, not a great time for all this curse word Every single car I've sold has gone to the first viewer bar one which went to the second viewer. The first viewer tried to negotiate £350 off the price because the car had budget tyres on wheels I put on it to sell it and sell my other wheels separate. I sold the car 2 days later for £250 more than the first viewer offered. I write ads that are easy to read, list all faults and everything I've done to the car during my ownership. It seems to stop people haggling, I tell them what I want for the car and why. Other than that one viewer I've had no ill experiences selling cars, just the messages of silly PXs or asking about the price. Personally I don't mind people say 'I would buy but...', treat them as a free bump if in a thread
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Jan 17, 2015 22:45:51 GMT
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bit if a stressfull and sad time for the OP and to sell a car as well on top of that! thoughts with you and your family dude! pretty much every car I have advertised bar one as well has sold to the first to view . I am brutally honest when i get spotty kids ring me up I simply am straight to the point if they sound like a tea leaf they get treated like one ( I basically say if youre dead interested come down and look. 9 times out of 10 they don't even bother) be prepared for loads of silly people who text/whattsapp you asking stupid questions. tbh it kills time at work for me lol but in real life situations I use my common and just don't reply to people who don't read the listing! one story I can tell was some of you guys may remember my nova saloon I had for sale I think last year? was going to do loads to it but I applied for uni and didn't have the time- so the first guys to view it were 3 18-19 year olds from Croydon! the guy promised me he will have his insurance to test drive it...guess what. Yep he 'forgot' it. he had the money in his pocket and were begging me to take them out in it even though I wasn't insured...the fool I am I decide to take the kid out for a test drive anyway, now there is a quiet road down my road I call it my 'Personal drag strip!' get no trouble here never have I ever seen police there. so anyway I'm with the kid who wants to buy it and me not taking his other mates! I decide with no insurance on it (I do agree my fault and peer pressure!) I take them down here 0.1 miles from my doorstep expecting no trouble! and guess what pc plod is just pulling out of there and sees 2 kids in a nova .LOL! luckily they were old PC's and were reminiscing about nova's and 'boys in novas' and decided to check my details I blagged my way out of a huge fine /impounding the car and points - as I live down th road, took the car back and the guy had the cheek to 'consider' buying it...NO I made him buy it after that situation.. long story short- I'm never test driving a car if the new owner is not insured or neither am I! definitely poo'd my pants that day got a telling of from my 'Rents and definitely a story to tell lol - you couldn't even make it up if you had to! Gav
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whysub
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I tend to buy my cars and motorbikes by asking mates if they know of anyone selling what i want (a couple of them are in the trade). They usually come up with something-3 of my current motorbikes came from people i know, the other from a dealer a friend recommended. Same with my VW van. The 300E i have was found parked on the side of the road with a for sale not in the window. I cannot think of any issues i have had selling bikes or cars over the last 40 years-looking at some of these stories, I must have been lucky!
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