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Oct 27, 2021 21:53:51 GMT
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Hi, That's odd! I mean we all know where that's headed but for the most part the shell still exists and is being sold with the documents. I find it strange they are jumping the gun like that. Or have they just put a marker on it for inspection? Colin What's left of the shell still exists but let's face it, it's shagged! Look at the later pictures on the auction that show the roof has been cut off, the inner wings are rotted & the strut tops have collapsed. The remains should be scrapped. Hi, Absolutely, i agree. We have seen cars brought back from worse by talented people like Tonybmw, although not all are that good. If panel supply is good it's easier, however I don't personally know what it's like for Mk4 Escorts. What I was surprised at was that DVLA acted, on the face of it, on just advert pics. Having looked at the DVLA site earlier the reg comes back as 'not found'. So that seems an end to it, well that car anyway. Is this a sign of things to come, one can only hope. Colin
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Oct 27, 2021 22:27:10 GMT
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What's left of the shell still exists but let's face it, it's shagged! Look at the later pictures on the auction that show the roof has been cut off, the inner wings are rotted & the strut tops have collapsed. The remains should be scrapped. Hi, Absolutely, i agree. We have seen cars brought back from worse by talented people like Tonybmw, although not all are that good. If panel supply is good it's easier, however I don't personally know what it's like for Mk4 Escorts. What I was surprised at was that DVLA acted, on the face of it, on just advert pics. Having looked at the DVLA site earlier the reg comes back as 'not found'. So that seems an end to it, well that car anyway. Is this a sign of things to come, one can only hope. Colin I think this might be an anomolie as the car still shows up on the check MOT site.
If the DVLA do act on this to cancel the V5 that would be a very dangerous precedent, while the car is almost certainly too far gone to be worth doing that might not always be the case and if panels are available to repair it then it might become worth saving at some point. If the DVLA start making these decisions then for cars where it is worth rebuilding it from this kind of condition where does that leave us? If there are concerns the best thing to do would be for the DVLA to inspect it once finished and ask for photographic evidence of thew rebuild.
As a case in point on another forum I frequent a very tallented guy is rebuilding a mini van and a mini pickup which were far worse than the escort in the pictures, on the van the front had literally rotted off it and it was in two pieces, with the aid of a lot of new panels it is being fully restored and will undoubtedly be like new once finished.
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Oct 27, 2021 22:36:45 GMT
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Rob M
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Ebay logbooks.Rob M
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Oct 28, 2021 18:35:10 GMT
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I can't deny that the Mini van is a brilliant build and the fella building it is an incredibly skilled engineer. Thing is, I feel a bit like I am watching the resurrection of Triggers broom. So little of that van is going to be as it left the factory in 66 you wonder how it is able to retain its original registration number. That is not meant to detract from an astonishing rebuild, I am just genuinely curious as to how much of a car, like that Escort, needs to be reused to be able to say that it is, essentially, the same car that left the factory.
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Oct 28, 2021 18:51:13 GMT
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I can't deny that the Mini van is a brilliant build and the fella building it is an incredibly skilled engineer. Thing is, I feel a bit like I am watching the resurrection of Triggers broom. So little of that van is going to be as it left the factory in 66 you wonder how it is able to retain its original registration number. That is not meant to detract from an astonishing rebuild, I am just genuinely curious as to how much of a car, like that Escort, needs to be reused to be able to say that it is, essentially, the same car that left the factory. Its a very interesting point and one that is very difficult to determine, once finished that van will be as it was built with a lot of the panels being from BMH (who are consider the successor to the original manufacturer which is how they make new shells and sell them as original replacements to allow legal resheeling) or M-Machine who make the floor pan for example who I believe supply this panel to BMH for use in their MK1 shells (albeit the saloon version).
Is it a 1966 mini van? It will certainly look like one and the owner is restoring as much of it as they can, even the pedal box has been rebuilt, back doors have been repaired but clearly the front was, well, frankly missing in action! For me its about saving as much as you can and if this one gets back on the road and its had a new head and a new handle and only the nail holding them together is original then its still better than it being scrapped and no harm has been done as its all correct in terms of the paperwork.
How many minis have everything replaced mechanically so only the body shell is original (and on some even that isn't the case with the BMH shells) and people don't have an issue with that. So as long as some reasonable part of the body is reused in my book its fine, the owner is clearly restoring that car not welding a small section of it into a new car. Would I like to own it, hell yes!
That escort would need a lot of panels to put it back on the road and its highly unlikely to ever happen, however, it is concieveable that if someone bought it, put it into a garage for the next 20 years in a dry environment and it didn't get any worse then someone would be trying to restore it, look at the price of earlier escorts now. Its far more likely that its a DIY ringing kit but as it has the body shell the DVLA shouldn't really be able to do anything about it as that would set a dangerous precedent.
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Rob M
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Ebay logbooks.Rob M
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Oct 28, 2021 19:58:09 GMT
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I can't deny that the Mini van is a brilliant build and the fella building it is an incredibly skilled engineer. Thing is, I feel a bit like I am watching the resurrection of Triggers broom. So little of that van is going to be as it left the factory in 66 you wonder how it is able to retain its original registration number. That is not meant to detract from an astonishing rebuild, I am just genuinely curious as to how much of a car, like that Escort, needs to be reused to be able to say that it is, essentially, the same car that left the factory. Its a very interesting point and one that is very difficult to determine, once finished that van will be as it was built with a lot of the panels being from BMH (who are consider the successor to the original manufacturer which is how they make new shells and sell them as original replacements to allow legal resheeling) or M-Machine who make the floor pan for example who I believe supply this panel to BMH for use in their MK1 shells (albeit the saloon version). Is it a 1966 mini van? It will certainly look like one and the owner is restoring as much of it as they can, even the pedal box has been rebuilt, back doors have been repaired but clearly the front was, well, frankly missing in action! For me its about saving as much as you can and if this one gets back on the road and its had a new head and a new handle and only the nail holding them together is original then its still better than it being scrapped and no harm has been done as its all correct in terms of the paperwork. How many minis have everything replaced mechanically so only the body shell is original (and on some even that isn't the case with the BMH shells) and people don't have an issue with that. So as long as some reasonable part of the body is reused in my book its fine, the owner is clearly restoring that car not welding a small section of it into a new car. Would I like to own it, hell yes!
That escort would need a lot of panels to put it back on the road and its highly unlikely to ever happen, however, it is concieveable that if someone bought it, put it into a garage for the next 20 years in a dry environment and it didn't get any worse then someone would be trying to restore it, look at the price of earlier escorts now. Its far more likely that its a DIY ringing kit but as it has the body shell the DVLA shouldn't really be able to do anything about it as that would set a dangerous precedent.
Yes, I'd like to own it too, it is going to look brilliant!
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Oct 29, 2021 17:56:07 GMT
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Hi, Absolutely, i agree. We have seen cars brought back from worse by talented people like Tonybmw, although not all are that good. If panel supply is good it's easier, however I don't personally know what it's like for Mk4 Escorts. What I was surprised at was that DVLA acted, on the face of it, on just advert pics. Having looked at the DVLA site earlier the reg comes back as 'not found'. So that seems an end to it, well that car anyway. Is this a sign of things to come, one can only hope. Colin I think this might be an anomolie as the car still shows up on the check MOT site. If the DVLA do act on this to cancel the V5 that would be a very dangerous precedent, while the car is almost certainly too far gone to be worth doing that might not always be the case and if panels are available to repair it then it might become worth saving at some point. If the DVLA start making these decisions then for cars where it is worth rebuilding it from this kind of condition where does that leave us? If there are concerns the best thing to do would be for the DVLA to inspect it once finished and ask for photographic evidence of thew rebuild.
As a case in point on another forum I frequent a very tallented guy is rebuilding a mini van and a mini pickup which were far worse than the escort in the pictures, on the van the front had literally rotted off it and it was in two pieces, with the aid of a lot of new panels it is being fully restored and will undoubtedly be like new once finished.
In the eyes of the DVLA a car needs to keep a certain amount of its original bits to be able to retain it's ID (it works on a points system). Given that there are no orginal bits on it and the shell is way past saving (there's not on salvageable panel on it from what I can see?) Its no wonder the DVLA would cancel the log book. If it was a complete but totally rotten car you'd have every right to keep the logbook live as you could legally reshell it if you could find a new unregistered shell (A lot easier for some cars than others) and use enough of the bits. I assume almost totally rebuilding the shell with new panels would also be fine?
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gazw
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Jan 12, 2022 13:03:36 GMT
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Mar 25, 2023 13:29:27 GMT
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Waste of time reporting them to eBay, they're just not interested as they deem them saleable as memorabilia! Better off reporting them to DVLA with as much evidence as possible if the reg is clearly visible & they will put a marker against the reg & if anyone tries to register/tax it, they will investigate & take action. if I see someone doing this how do I contact the DVLA with the info? I couldn't find anything appropriate for it, someone has posted a V5 with the vin plate only for a 205 that's been off the road 10 years on the bookface. K49PGB is the reg, yellow 205 Rallye, the lame UK version.
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Apr 18, 2023 10:37:50 GMT
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Last Edit: Apr 18, 2023 10:38:19 GMT by Soopahfly
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