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Sept 29, 2014 16:49:35 GMT
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how do, i said hello on previous page  fair comment on the load carrying  |
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Last Edit: Sept 29, 2014 16:50:01 GMT by darrenh
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Sept 29, 2014 17:47:25 GMT
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Thanks for clearing that up. Red tape too far.  |
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eternaloptimist
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Sept 29, 2014 18:11:02 GMT
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What about The British Austin Society? There are regional clubs listed as approved on the V765 scheme, might it be worth talking to any of them?
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Dez
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Sept 29, 2014 18:19:15 GMT
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i thought i was bad. you're certifiable.
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Rob M
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Sept 29, 2014 18:31:15 GMT
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I think I love you a little bit.
Brilliant, mad , brilliant, mad, brilli....
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dazcapri
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Sept 29, 2014 18:35:08 GMT
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And a final note, like I said at the top, I've got parallel threads running on a couple of other forums, but mainly to keep friends I've made there in the loop with the project. I've not found a forum dedicated to commercials, so spreading it about a bit seems a good idea. I've had some invaluable help and suggestions from a VW forum I visit, as well as a Raleigh Bomber one, so it pays to take the time to copy/paste it around I've been following this on OLLR nice to see you over here mate try Trucknet they usually good for info on old commercials your best bet would be posting here www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=35 |
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Last Edit: Sept 29, 2014 18:35:35 GMT by dazcapri
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Sept 29, 2014 19:13:01 GMT
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That's why I like this forum better than any other,, great stories behind vehicles.. And something just so totally different , big respect due for rescuing it and good luck! ... Bookmarked
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MK2VR6
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Sept 29, 2014 20:33:24 GMT
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Bookmarked. Proper nutty, but it's safe in your garden now so all good. Hopefully dvla can sort this out; wearing its original plate is clearly part of its identity. Why don't you keep on pushing for finding the owner of the complete, but vandalised one? As you said, you could use it for lots of patterns to help make it look like your old one. Each to their own, but I reckon I'd be using parts off the engine of the vandalised one as well to try and get the original lump running.
Will watch with much interest, regardless. Good luck!
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Sept 29, 2014 22:07:40 GMT
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Interesting back story and looking forward to progress, in whatever direction.
We do like a nice commercial now and again!
Please keep updating and bookmarked.
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fer4l
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Sept 29, 2014 22:56:25 GMT
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Lovely back story to this and nice you've got it back, bookmarked for progress. Out of interest does it matter if it's on a Q plate once restored? You know it's the same vehicle at heart. www.wolfbane.com/vreg.htm website suggests that OY is Croydon for 1962 onwards and NW London 1974-2001 so looks like you were right. The only other reference I can test the validity of that site is that DH is correctly set to Walsall which is the only one I definitely know. `Old' system (1962) `New' system (?1974-2001) ---------------------------------------------------------------- OY Croydon London NW Cheers, I hope to be able to report some progress! As to the "Q" plate issue, I'm afraid, once again, nobody can give me a definite answer, but yes, it looks like it could present a major hurdle. It is over 7.5 tons so, as a "Q", would be regarded as needing stuff like side and rear underrun protection, lighting and signage to current C & U regs, seatbelts (not a bad idea anyway, but I'd rather they were there because I chose to fit them rather than being compelled), emissions, braking performance etc. etc. The main problem though, is that it would need to be fitted with a tachograph and I would have to keep detailed logs of my driving hours. My day job is driving a train, and this means that - mad though it sounds - I can't drive a train through the week, then drive a tacho equipped vehicle at the weekend because I fall foul of the working time directive. More crucially, if I did drive a tacho equipped vehicle at the weekend during my "weekly rest" from work, I couldn't drive a train afterwards;something that my employer would doubtless look unfavourably upon. Heaven forbid I should have any kind of incident at work and it subsequently become apparent that I had "insufficient rest", the book that would be thrown at me would be huge. If, however, the truck is correctly recognised as a 1966 machine I don't need a tacho or to keep records. I know. Mad. Like I said, I really can't contemplate the time and expense the resto will take if I can't be sure of it's standing in the eyes of the law once it is finished. I might be more confident if I were planning to faithfully recreate the original van body, and if I was going to keep the original engine and gearbox; but because I plan changing them, I don't think I dare take the chance. If my chassis was mint, and in need of only a sandblast and paint, and the engine could be persuaded to run for a bit, then I might feel differently; but it really might be best to put sentiment to one side and use this one for spares instead. We'll see what I get back from the other approved organisation. If they also think that restoration must precede registration I'll be casting my net far and wide for another one. I've spent over forty years dreaming about driving around in one of these and, whilst I'm not going to break the law, I'll not let bureaucracy stop me either! You, Sir, are awesome, and bureaucracy isn't...please let the right hand trump the left!  Cheers Matt |
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glenanderson
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Sept 30, 2014 13:11:13 GMT
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Thanks for clearing that up. Red tape too far. Yes, the biggest problem is the lack of specific legislation for domestic use of commercial vehicles. You only have to look at some of the horse box forums to see the amount of "grey areas" and misinformation out there. Fortunately I hold a full Class 1 HGV (C+E in modern terms), along with a driver's CPC , so I at least don't have to worry about licensing issues like many do. The whole driver's hours and working time directive thing is a total minefield. How it's ok to drive to and from a show on a sunday in your car, but not in your lorry I can't for the life of me fathom. Still, getting around the rules without actually breaking them is part of the fun. What about The British Austin Society? There are regional clubs listed as approved on the V765 scheme, might it be worth talking to any of them? The British Austin Society don't handle commercials as far as I know. There are lots of clubs for Austin/BMC cars, but only two on the list for commercials. I will try and contact the various Austin/BMC car clubs if the other lot can't help. i thought i was bad. you're certifiable. No, we're both "special". I think I love you a little bit. Brilliant, mad , brilliant, mad, brilli.... That made me proper laugh! Thanks for cheering me up! |
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glenanderson
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Sept 30, 2014 13:13:26 GMT
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I'll give them a go, nothing ventured nothing gained. |
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glenanderson
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Sept 30, 2014 13:21:36 GMT
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Bookmarked. Proper nutty, but it's safe in your garden now so all good. Hopefully dvla can sort this out; wearing its original plate is clearly part of its identity. Why don't you keep on pushing for finding the owner of the complete, but vandalised one? As you said, you could use it for lots of patterns to help make it look like your old one. Each to their own, but I reckon I'd be using parts off the engine of the vandalised one as well to try and get the original lump running. Will watch with much interest, regardless. Good luck! The original engine is a BMC 5.1 diesel. They put out about 80bhp and weren't well regarded in terms of reliability when new. The slightly larger 5.7 version I understand was even worse. I remember being told by my dad that the head gasket was gone on the engine I have, and now it's seized solid and has a hole in the sump too. Nothing is beyond repair, but I don't want to sink thousands into an engine that is going to be underpowered and unreliable once done. My only surviving uncle was a BRS driver and I was chatting to him and one of his mates, Roy, a few months back. Roy drove them regularly and told me they would do about 53-54 mph flat out on the governor (2500 rpm), but that they didn't last long if driven like that. The 6BT Cummins will sit at 2500 rpm all day long, and the overdrive gearbox would see me with a top speed just over 60, which is more than enough and pretty much guarantees an easy 50-55 mph cruising speed. |
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glenanderson
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Sept 30, 2014 13:32:59 GMT
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Thanks again to all who have posted. As I said at the start, blogging this kind of stuff helps you through the tough bits. After my chat yesterday with the registrations bloke from the HCVC (I still can't believe how unhelpful and negative he was), I was pretty down. That, combined with lack of sleep from working the previous night shift saw me moping around Tescos yesterday afternoon like a candidate for a trip to Dignitas. Reading some of your comments certainly brightened my mood! Having slept on it, and considering the work my chassis needs, I've come round to the thinking that if the British Commercial Vehicle Museum Trust are similarly negative then I'll be on the lookout for another one, but one that either has a recorded identity and V5, or still has an old RF60 logbook to go with it. And, on a brighter note, I slipped the issue of difficulty/impossibility of registering the truck into breakfast conversation this morning, and raised the prospect of sourcing a second one, to be told "Well, if that's the only way around it you'll have to, won't you". I knew I loved my good lady for a reason! |
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Sept 30, 2014 14:29:24 GMT
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All I can say is keep on keeping on! If you nag certain people enough they'll do what you desire just to get rid of you!!!
Looking back at Page.1 of this thread I cannot believe that this van was still being made as late as it was...!!! It seems like something out fo the 40s, not the 60's!
Anyhow, please don't get to disheartened about things as I'm sure things will come up roses in the end...! Just keep us posted and we'll be here to type words of support 24-7...!
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glenanderson
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Sept 30, 2014 14:43:14 GMT
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Ta for that.
They made them from 1958 right through to 1976!
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Sept 30, 2014 15:35:45 GMT
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1976...?!?!?! Ruddy 'eck...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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***GARAGE CURRENTLY EMPTY***
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Sept 30, 2014 21:25:08 GMT
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Just a quick note to say i'm impressed with you for taking this one. I have had unrestored vehicles re-registered (on there original number) before to get them back onto the DVLA system, however this was when the local offices were open, they simply inspected them along with the associated paperwork and then they were put straight into the unlicenced catagory on the computer (ie no tax disc was ever issued). I've since been told this shouldn't have been done and they should have been MOT'd etc.
However this year the last thing to get its number back was a Fergy tractor which has been in the family since the 60's and although on the face of it it was simple - (file all the paperwork at the main post office and pay your fee) the amount of times we had to write back to the dvla giving them exactly the same amount of information but in a different format or providing slight variations of the same thing was incredible. Like you we had several photos clearly showing it with a registration number visible but we also had the old card log book. Its done now but took 6 months or so....
I'm not sure how the 8 point rule (for retaining a vehicles identity) works for large commercials with regards to the modifications you have planned but you may find that as long as you keep the chassis and running gear original then a engine/ gearbox swap wouldn't cause issues.
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glenanderson
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Sept 30, 2014 22:27:02 GMT
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Cheers. The recent changes have certainly muddied the waters. My experiences match yours as far as re-registering projects is concerned, which is why I was so taken aback by the attitude and information I was given yesterday. As far as I'm aware, the 8 point rule applies to commercials too, so my plans leave me well inside the minimum requirement even if I do change the engine and box. As the truck currently stands, all the original points scoring components are still present, the missing body counts for nothing in that regard. Ah well, I've posted this tale on trucknet, which seems to have a large contingent of retired drivers and old lorry enthusiasts, so we'll see whether that can drag any more information out of the woodwork. I don't know if BRS records still exist, but a fleet record might be a way forward... More research needed! |
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glenanderson
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Sept 30, 2014 23:07:37 GMT
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Just found this picture on Trucknet:  That one must have been registered at the same time as mine; I had to do a double-take at first! |
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fair comment on the load carrying 
