vulgalour
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Jul 29, 2015 21:26:25 GMT
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PhilA: Totally needs a better exhaust tip, looks like it's got a frikkin diesel box on the back of it at the moment. concertocharlie: For me, I prefer a smaller wheel so I can have some sidewall, I'm old fashioned that way. A 15" is as big as I personally want to go on the wheels, and your pics prove that to me. That's not to say I don't like your Concerto, it has appeal on the Clio wheels, it's just that I don't want to go quite that low and skinny. Were the Clio wheels a straight swap? --- Today I got the proper radiator and my refund on the incorrect one. I've been at the unit sorting out a full length key-strike on my housemate's brother's Ford C-Max. Really, really nasty thing to repair and has taken me a lot of the day to get close to sorted. In between paint drying sessions I determined to sort out the Rover. I've done radiators before, normally they're not too much hassle. For some reason, on the 400 you have to remove the air filter box and battery to stand a chance of getting to the lower pipe and it's a bit of a faff to get it out. What few wires the engine bay has get in the way as you do this and one even runs over the top of the battery clamp bolt. Pretty annoying but eventually the old rad came out mostly in one piece. The water that came out was mostly okay. It's been run on blue, which I'm not too thrilled about, and while some K-Seal has been put in it doesn't appear to be the usual twelve bottles worth. No amount of K-Seal was going to help the radiator that came out though. That old radiator was comprehensively ruined. The bottom rail came off with the fan. I'm glad I decided to do this first as that radiator was definitely going to cause me problems pretty quickly. Double checked all the various bits on the new one were in the right place, swapped the rubber feet and top brackets over from the old one and installed the new fan sensor. Because the fan sensor is on an interference fit rather than screw in or similar, I also put a tie wrap around it to make sure it doesn't fall out. That's probably just paranoia but I'd rather be safe than sorry, I had expected there to be some sort of clip to hold it in place but there isn't. Before refitting the system was flushed as much as it would let us until it ran clear. For the short term I'm running on plain water and doing a weekly flush until as much old blue antifreeze and K-Seal remnants are out of the system before putting fresh OAT in. I'm aware it's going to take a lot of flushes and patience to get it swapped over properly to OAT. Everything buttoned up fairly easily apart from a bit of faff with the air box clips. One thing I did find out is that the previous owner probably has changed the oil and filter not long before selling the car, both look really good and the oil filter looks fairly new in the engine bay so those are at least some things I don't feel I need to do. Last job after that was to bleed the system. Spent some time burping it in the conventional manner until I was directed to this little bolt (the little wet brown blob, this was just after undoing it) just to the right of the engine as you look at it from the front of the car. Unfastened that and lots of air came whistling out followed by a little fountain of water. Topped up the water afresh and did it again to find only water coming out so I was satisfied it was as well bled as it could be. I was also advised to ensure the heater was set to hot while this was done so that the heater matrix would be bled properly too. With that done we got the car running. As it reached 1/4 gauge we found that the small top hose on the radiator was leaking. This was fortunately just a bad clip and a new one resolved that. Then it was the waiting game because the temperature rose to 1/3 and just stuck there stubbornly. Took an absolute age to get to half gauge, the fan coming on all on it's own proving that the new switch was working properly. Absolutely no issues presented themselves so we called the job done. Bit of a chore but a worthwhile one as it takes a big worry away. This weekend I hope to tackle the clutch, the brakes are okay for a bit as they still work perfectly fine so I'll do them when I properly have time to devote. I'm stretched a bit thin at the moment with work commitments so I need to find a couple of days of downtime somewhere soon.
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Jul 29, 2015 21:58:44 GMT
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That's one fine looking 414
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Rich
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Just so you know, that rover would have had blue ethylene glycol antifreeze from new, not OAT. I wouldn't advise switching. You can tell by the label round the expansion tank on rovers- black is blue anti freeze, yellow is pink antifreeze.
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"Chompy LOVED his old Rover and cleaned it sometimes 3 times a week, it was a very, very pampered car but the rust and parts availability put an end to all that love because he had driveshafts made of unobtanium."
Just replaced driveshaft on wife's 1995 Tourer with a brand new one from Driveshafts UK, in stock, very reasonable and fast delivery ...
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the clio sport wheels bolt straight on, I added some spacers later on to the rear, BUT that's due to being low, when it was higher the clio wheels fit lovely
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Honda Concerto driver
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vulgalour
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@barry75: Cheers rich: you've not steered me wrong yet so I shall thank you for the advice there. Nobody else had mentioned the colour coded cap labels to me and everyone had said OAT is a must in a K. Could well save me some grief there. They couldn't have just done blue for blue and pink for pink though could they? Had to make it just a bit less obvious than that. westbay: I imagine the market could have changed in the past three years and the correct driveshaft may well now be available, at the time he tried everywhere and nobody had one, just one of those things. concertocharlie: I shall bear that in mind for future wheel decisions. For now I'm sticking to trims and steels because I've run out of playtime cash for a bit. Not in any huge rush for new rims so I can take my time and find some I really like.
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I worked for a rover specialist in the 90s we always used red long life antifreeze. On the rover forum I'm on the recommend waterless coolant for the k
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vulgalour
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Jul 30, 2015 20:49:57 GMT
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A little more Rover fettling was done today, not a huge amount because I wasn't blessed with much free time. This morning Bradford Auto Spares got a call so I could order a pre-facelift bonnet release mechanism from them for £25 delivered, then it was off to the unit to get on with some other jobs there. While waiting for paint to cure I decided not to be deservedly idle but to fettle again. Decided to remove the rear panel off the boot, this is attached with 5 nuts from the back, two screws from the front and a further two screws through the number plate. The original dealer plate this car still sports is actually fitted off centre, which does annoy me, and one of the screws had to have the head drilled off. Other than that it was easy to remove the lot and get it cleaned up. Inspected the boot lid and found it nicely free of any rust at all, just your typical dirt and moss. The number plate light lenses need to come off to be cleaned, they're quite dirty inside. I was in no mood to do that today so it can wait for another time. The moss on the return lip came off easily enough. There were two reasons for removing this panel. The first was to get it realigned properly because it didn't line up with the lights. That was quite important for the second bit, which was to give the thin red tape a go. I'm satisfied about this, it splits the big block of black up just enough. A nice twin exhaust pipe box or even a trim on the existing pipe once it's been shortened would make the back end just how I want it. I still had some time and I probably should have just chilled out a bit. Instead, I carefully wet sanded the lacquer peel back on the top of driver's door. I had found a can of Rover Flame Red in my stash which I didn't realise I still had and this came in handy for where the paint was very thin. Fresh coat of lacquer on top and when I next get chance I'll flat and polish that back to make it an invisible repair. The door handle will be done off the car, as will the bit of lacquer peel just under it. It's a fairly quick job really, and quite nice to eliminate one of the uglier bits I see every day on the car. With everything done that I had time for I moved the car out of the way and heard a horrible noise. Turns out I reversed over the drill. Still works so we've just bandaged it up and continue to use it.
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vulgalour
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Jul 30, 2015 23:17:21 GMT
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vulgalour
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Acquired a set of three common not-Rover alloys for £1 recently, just trying to organise collection. Tried a donor wheel with the same important dimensions so I know they'll fit no bother, just no idea if they'll look any good so keeping it to myself for now. Today, it was determined I'd get started on sorting out the clutch. Mike foolishly offered to help and my brother appeared too so we had a good pool of knowledge and tools and whatnot to get it done. Shouldn't be too much of a bother really, access to the gearbox and everything looked fairly good and I had all the parts I should need so we cracked on with it, optimistic we'd be all done before the sun went down. I mean really, how hard can it be? Before we get into that, I had been doing some work on the front wing Joe supplied. I wasn't going to take it as I thought the one on the car was much the same, but after spending a bit of time with the dolly kit and flapwheel I think it's worth doing up and swapping onto the car. Both wings have this sort of warty rust bubbles. Liberal application of the flapwheel makes short work of it. The steel is in reasonable condition. There are other methods to clean up rust but I'm going with one that has always worked for me and lasted for a long time. Clean everything back where you find the rust until you've got shiny metal. Some areas are trickier than others. You'll need to go a bit further than this, but this is how it starts. Be sure to chase the rust spiders back because otherwise they'll just emerge again when you repaint. There's a small hole in the return lip. I will probably give this a quick blob of welding to fix it properly. However, Rover fitted a rubber U channel trim to the lip that would hide this well. I'm not sure if the trim is supposed to prevent or cause rust. Some areas cleaned back to shiny metal and discoloured blackness where the rust was. After everything was cleaned up, including the dent I dressed out on the top of the wing, it was all treated with Jenolite brand rust converter and left until tomorrow when I hope to have time to clean this up and get some fresh paint on. A couple of days ago I made a start cleaning the engine bay but didn't have much patience for the job so let it be at this. Tidier, but not as good as I want it to be yet. So, onto the clutch job then. First up was to remove the battery and air filter again. Then the starter motor came off which in hindsight probably wasn't necessary. Gearbox is pretty oily and grimy, it looks like it has had a spill or come back through the vent or something in the past and never been cleaned up. It's all fairly old oil. With the car up on stands, Mike and I set to removing things like the front partial undertray and disconnecting the gear selector rods and all that stuff. It should have been a simple matter to disconnect the lower arms. The inner bolts (two each side) were almost impossible to shift but did eventually relent. The castle nuts on the lower balljoints, however, were a different matter entirely. Now, it is possible we didn't need to disturb these and could have done the job leaving them in place. Unfortunately by the time we realised this we had also discovered both nuts, split pins and bolt threads were just collections of rust and attempts to remove any of these items just made matters worse. We wasted a lot of time on this part of the job. Unfortunately we had to resort to cutting through the threads and removing the arms. Since you can't just get the ball joint and have it pressed into old arms, a new pair had to be ordered which won't arrive until Monday now. Really disappointing but at least there's the reassurance of nice new parts going on. While the passenger side hub came off nice and easily when we got to removing the driveshafts, the driver's side needed a little help. The wheel nuts this side were also done up so tight the rattle gun struggled to shift them. One driveshaft out and another derp moment - it was one of those days - when we realised neither of us had remembered to drain the gearbox oil. There's supposed to be two litres in there, at best 1.5 litres came out and it had a distinctly burnt smell and look to it. With the driveshafts out we found the passenger side one was nibbled and leaking and the driver's side one was deformed so we'll have to get a pair of those ordered, it was by now too late in the day to place an order for them so it has to be done tomorrow. Yet more expense that I hadn't expected. Removing the gearbox was a chore too, finding all the bolts wasn't too bad but then getting access to some of them was annoying, like this one. You couldn't put the ratchet directly on the socket because it was too close to the casing and you couldn't use a spanner or similar because the bolts had been overtightened, just like pretty much every bolt we'd encountered. Eventually we got the old clutch out. There was quite a bit of meat still left on it and it all looked fairly new apart from the release bearing which looked quite old and was a different manufacturer to the rest of the clutch. The friction plate had also been installed the wrong way around. This may explain the issues I was having. There was also signs of hot spots. I had been expecting a paper thin clutch with shiny rivets, not this. We were quite puzzled by this to be fair, it looks like someone had taken the time to change the clutch in the car but had done it wrong which in turn had led to the symptoms of a dead clutch. While my brother and I cleaned as much of the oil as we could off the gearbox - I like to clean things when I get them off the car, helps me see where I've been and makes things look nicer - Mike quietly got on and reinstalled the clutch. Then we called it quits. We'd spent way too long on this, mainly because we were fighting bolts that were on so tight they were bending the breaker bar and we were all pretty fed up with it. Tomorrow I'll be going in with Mike to get the gearbox back on and do any other small jobs I can find (and there's still plenty of those) just to make sure the car's time inside the unit isn't wasted. I'll go in again on Monday to fit the new parts, providing they arrive and are correct.
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I notice your rear bumper has dropped on one side? Is it suffering from the usual 400 rotten bumper bracket syndrome? If so Ive got a pair of fairly solid ones in the garage if your interested?
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I still had some time and I probably should have just chilled out a bit. Instead, I carefully wet sanded the lacquer peel back on the top of driver's door. I had found a can of Rover Flame Red in my stash which I didn't realise I still had and this came in handy for where the paint was very thin. My Coupe is Flame Red and there is more than one shade of it, if you don't get a perfect match try getting it matched by a paint shop rather than Halfords. I think there's at least 3 different shades, my mates '92 is a totally different shade than my '93. You can see the difference here. If you need a lighter shade try :
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Last Edit: Aug 2, 2015 8:49:06 GMT by dabhand
1993 Rover 220 Coupe 1972 MG Midget
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vulgalour
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southside: yep, the bottom bolts are gone on the bumper that's fitted, hence the slightly saggy rear. I've got some reasonable ones on my old bumper, just haven't had the time to get them off yet and I'm worried the brackets on the bumper currently on the car will shear the bolts when I try and remove them. I need to find enough time to strip both bumpers down and rebuild from the best bits, just in case, and that's going to take me a while. If I do need the brackets I'll give you a shout. dabhand: I was aware of the variants of Flame Red. Fortunately, the shade I've got appears to be the same one that Halfords stock. It's also the same as the shade on the car the rear bumper came off and the shade on the car the bonnet came from, which is really fortunate.
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Last Edit: Aug 2, 2015 10:20:26 GMT by vulgalour
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Doing more great work here sir....intrigued by the wheel choice??
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vulgalour
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Unlike yesterday, today was a good day to work on the Rover. Gearbox went back on with minimal hassle and most things plumbed in easily. The clutch pedal now has some spring to it where before it offered nothing at all. Perhaps that has resolved the issue and I've escaped any sort of gearbox malady. Gearbox oil and antifreeze were also acquired for when we get to that point. Gearbox looks far better and was much nicer to move around without its crust of oil. The only bit left to connect is this stupid little rubber clip for the speedo cable. Anyone got any tips on this one for us? It doesn't seem to want to go back where it came from. My brother found the sticker machine. Flange I'll tolerate, but not boot badges. Still, he chased out and welded up that little hole on the wing. I'll get this dressed back and tidied for paint. He also welded up the bonnet holes, which was nice of him. They dressed back really well. White grille is only there temporary, we kept picking it up and moving it so thought it best to just stick it to the front of the car so it didn't get broken. We had enough time to get two goes over with the stopper filler before home time. It needs more work, but not a vast quantity. If it weren't such a visible panel I wouldn't bother making it more presentable than it is because there'd be no need. Then the important task of temporarily fitting the new wheels had to happen. These are the three alloys with tyres and centre caps that cost me £1. I took the old centre cap badges off, which gives a clue as to what they're from. A quick clean up and a rear door badge applied with a bit of masking tape shows what I want to do with them. They work surprisingly well. I'm after two more (so I have a spare) and I need to decide what colour I want them because the silver isn't cutting it for me. So that's that. Not a bad day really. Tomorrow the last few parts arrive to get the car back on the ground and driving again which I'm looking forward to.
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Corsa b wheels! Anthracite would work well on those wheels against the red.
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vulgalour
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Yes it would, good call. I'm still looking at different colours and I already know I don't want bright white, black, red or bright silver.
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vulgalour
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I've been scouting around and I think I want copper wheels. Bit of an odd choice and not one everyone will like, but after seeing a few different bright red cars with copper wheels I'm sold on it as an alternative to silver. This demonstrates pretty well what I'm thinking. As a colour, copper seems to neither shrink nor grow the size of the alloy in much the same way as silver tones. Gold would be a bit much. I may go for a slightly darker shade than the above and a gloss finish rather than what looks like a satin finish there. I'll get a picture with the wheels actually on the car and play in Photoshop for a bit first which will have to wait at least until tomorrow.
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I think that will work good, This is going to be one smart rover when done. I am trying to work out what colour to do my wheels, White would work well against the green but that's a big NO!!! after the last lot.
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The only thing with the copper is I think you need the lows to pull that off with those 3 spokes.
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