vulgalour
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Essentially, bar some badge engineering, it goes like this, biggest to smallest: Austin 3 Litre Austin 1800 (or Wolseley Six in this instance) Austin Maxi Austin 1100 Austin Mini
Fairly cohesive line-up really and something for everyone, just massively muddied by the badge engineering and other BMC/BL nonsense that was happening. The 1100 and 1800 would become the Allegro and Princess respectively while the Maxi and Mini would carry on being the Maxi and the Mini and the 3 litre would die out.
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retrolegends
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Winging it.....Since 1971.
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That land crab looks a bit if alright. 👍🏻 good work pal.
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1974 Hillman Avenger 1500DL1992 Volvo 240SE1975 Datsun Cherry 100a flying custard1965 Hillman SuperMinx Rock N Roller1974 Austin Allegrat Mk1 1.3SDL1980 Austin Allegro Mk3 1.3L1982 Austin Allegro Mk3 on banded steels2003 Saab 9-3 Convertible 220bhp TurboNutter1966 Morris Minor 1000 (Doris) 2019 Abarth 595C Turismo (not retro but awesome fun) www.facebook.com/DatsunCherry100a
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retrolegends
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Essentially, bar some badge engineering, it goes like this, biggest to smallest: Austin 3 Litre Austin 1800 (or Wolseley Six in this instance) Austin Maxi Austin 1100 Austin Mini Fairly cohesive line-up really and something for everyone, just massively muddied by the badge engineering and other BMC/BL nonsense that was happening. The 1100 and 1800 would become the Allegro and Princess respectively while the Maxi and Mini would carry on being the Maxi and the Mini and the 3 litre would die out. Not to mention the 3 litre was six cylinder rear wheel drive and the Six is 6 cylinder front wheel drive! Still not as confusing as the Triumph range though! 😆 Only Leyland!!
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1974 Hillman Avenger 1500DL1992 Volvo 240SE1975 Datsun Cherry 100a flying custard1965 Hillman SuperMinx Rock N Roller1974 Austin Allegrat Mk1 1.3SDL1980 Austin Allegro Mk3 1.3L1982 Austin Allegro Mk3 on banded steels2003 Saab 9-3 Convertible 220bhp TurboNutter1966 Morris Minor 1000 (Doris) 2019 Abarth 595C Turismo (not retro but awesome fun) www.facebook.com/DatsunCherry100a
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Got to love a LandCrab, my 1800S was awesome, cornered like a big Mini and you could have a party in the back, a better car than the Austin 3 litre I had, more interior space due to no gearbox/prop hump, quicker, more nimble, and less eyewatering fuel bills. I'd have another Landcrab but must be an auto now as I'm knackered. The only draw back on mk1/2 Landcrabs is the under dash handbrake, and the velour trimmed ones ended up looking like badly fitted stretch covers from your Nan's old sofa had been fitted.
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74 Mk1 Escort 1360, 1971 Vauxhall Victor SL2000 Estate.
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vulgalour
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On this one the handbrake is in the conventional position. I expect if it didn't have the massively heavy E series and auto box up front it would probably handle a little better than it does. Easily keeps up with modern traffic and got a friendly beep and thumbs up from an HGV driver on the way back.
The trouble will be letting it go when the time comes. It's been bought to be sell, after some cosmetic work and servicing, and I can see all of us involved with it getting rather too attached, it's quite a charming old thing.
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Last Edit: Oct 2, 2017 18:39:11 GMT by vulgalour
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Keep it & sell the 1100! It looks a nice car.
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vulgalour
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I don't like autos so it's not one for me. Besides, it's outside of my budget even if I do sell the 1100. I have had quite a few people wanting to buy the 1100 off me when the welding is done, which feels weird, but is also useful since eventually I do plan to sell that and get back down to just the Princess and the Rover.
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vulgalour
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Princess update. The suspension pipe has been repaired. It was leaking where suspected, I'm not sure how they sealed it up because it's not clear looking at it but it's been pressure tested and shows as fine so I just have to hope it's okay. They did find another leak on the pipe I wasn't aware of where it's had a bash. This area is really vulnerable when the suspension is flat, especially so if you've got to get it on a flatbed or similar. The damage was there when I got the car so I have no idea when it was done. Happily that too is now repaired and the pipe is ready to go on the car, possibly even today if it stops raining sideways for long enough. 20171004-07 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr 20171004-06 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr Collected that after running to the tip with a Mazda Brawny full of conifer hedge, which saved us fannying about with car seats. The Brawny then decided it wanted to started leaking oil a lot so that's another job on the list which never seems to get any shorter! We suspect a propshaft seal on that one because of how its throwing the oil but didn't really have the time to check, yesterday was a bit full on. Today, an early birthday present arrived. I had been asked what I wanted and couldn't really offer any suggestions, the things I need these days are well beyond birthday money and there's very little that I actually want. Just at that point in my life where I don't more stuff unless it's useful, helped by finally being settled after a few years of turmoil. Anyway, friends quizzed and brainstormed and eventually asked if there was anything the cars needed in budget. Of course there were things the cars needed but it's mostly big stuff like paint now so that wasn't really an option. Then we got talking about how as much as I like the rear lights on the Princess they're not quite what I want on it, close but not quite perfect... Even though it's not for another month, happy birthday to me! 20171004-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr 1960s Ford 500 tail lights, complete bar the fixing screws and in pretty good order. This was a gamble but everyone was happy chipping in to get them knowing that they were something I really would be happy with without breaking anyone's bank account. The other excellent thing was the chap selling these refunded the excess postage and it was like a proper old fashioned eBay transaction with regular communication and the lot, one of the best eBay transactions I've ever had and certainly not what I expected these days. If you want an equally satisfying experience, head over to www.ebay.co.uk/usr/stationstuff and see if Fred's got what you want. First thing was to check exactly how these are wired up and what bulbs and stuff they take. The red lens has a built in reflective ring around the edge and the white lens in the middle is a reversing light as standard. All the wiring is present and looks in good shape. I intend to put the indicator (orange bulb) in the original reversing light location. 20171004-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr The other light socket is in the back of the bucket, this means that the light bulbs are cleverly hidden so you only get the glow, which is very appealing. There's only one socket with a bulb holder in and this would have been the brake and turn signal originally, as far as I know. There's three additional holes in the bucket, two with plastic blanking plates and one just open, I'm not sure why. I'm considering fitting an LED festoon/ring for the sidelights inside the bucket with the running/brake being the central bulb, those extra holes will make running the wiring in for that easier. 20171004-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr I did think these lights would be bigger than what was one and that too is a good thing. One pair of larger outboard lights and nothing else will look better than what's on there at the moment. I'll probably french the new lights into the rear panel slightly so they sit properly rather than fitting a tube that sticks out. I can't just flush fit them to the back panel because then they'll point at the floor, which would look rubbish, and frenching the lights into the panel isn't that difficult when it's just round shapes like this. 20171004-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr I could probably modify the existing frenched buckets on the car to accept the new lenses and modify the new buckets for the fittings, etc. I'd rather leave the new light units as Ford intended than chopping them about, it's likely much easier to rework the back panel than try and modify the new light units. The lens wouldn't sit this far forward, it's sat on top of the BMW light here just to demonstrate the size of it. 20171004-05 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr Exciting stuff anyway
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vulgalour
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I just realised I don't actually need to do any welding to fit the new lights. Had another look at the Ford buckets and I can just trim the wall off and mount lens and backing plate to the buckets already on the car. Easy peasy buttock squeazy!
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vulgalour
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First part of this is for blackpopracing who wanted to know what space was available around the front displacer. Answer is not a lot, I'd got that guess completely wrong which is why photos are better than memory. I was going to remove the displacer and measure the pocket to get an exact size but that's more work than I have time for today. I'd say there's at most 5mm of free space between the displacer's widest part and the wall of the pocket, I'd know for definite if I dismantled it all and measured. Certainly not the 10-15mm I thought there was. Difficult to photograph but hopefully this gives some idea of the space available. 20171005-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr 20171005-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr 20171005-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr The main job to attempt today was fitting the hydragas pipe. Mike helped me remove it last time and it turned out to really be a two person job if I didn't want to dismantle large portions of the car. I was hoping I could get at least part-way on my own today while Mike's at work. Because I needed to be in two places at the same time I comandeered some blue rope to hold the engine bay end of the pipe and hold it in place in the hope that I could then wiggle the pipe into location underneath the car. 20171005-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr That worked moderately well until I got to this point. The car dumped a big splodge of oily grime directly into my eye, somehow bypassing my specs which didn't put me in the best mood while I was trying to get the flexible repair section through the awkward gap. I also realised the schrader valve hadn't been removed from the block which I needed to do to remove the pipe and on looking in my toolkit I was reminded that's the one size of spanner I don't have and the one deep reach socket I do have that fits isn't deep enough. 20171005-05 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr It's one of those jobs where you'd swear the car changed shape between having the pipe removed and the refitting attempt. The main obstacle is the steering rack because the pipe has to feed up behind it and that means getting around some really tight bends that you can't actually see while you're trying to navigate the pipe. It's likely that the pipe was one of the first things attached to the bodyshell looking at the way everything is layered and that means refitting one is always going to be really involved. Here's the gap I've got to navigate which I can't actually get myself into a position to see laid on my back on the driveway. This view is also obscured from the engine bay side by things like the exhaust manifold and carburettor 20171005-06 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr Got out the relevant sockets and extensions to remove the steering rack bolts, or at least loosen them enough to have some wiggle room for the pipe. The first thing I found is that access is atrocious, the second that I don't have the right combination of extensions and wiggly bits to really get tools in properly and the third that I haven't the Herculean strength required to undo these bolts since I haven't the access to get a decent sized lever in to help. 20171005-07 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr Brilliant. That concludes this update where I achieve nothing other than learning about a lot of annoying obstacles. I'm sure with an extra pair of hands this job will be only slightly irritating so I'll wait until Mike isn't busy so he can help, which could be several more weeks with what he's got on lately.
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Last Edit: Oct 5, 2017 14:53:38 GMT by vulgalour
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eurogranada
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To tinker or not to tinker, that is the question...
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I feel your pain... Been there, done that... and you knwo what? Next try you'll just whip it in without any effort, that's just how these things go...
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try a 5mm bit of wood poked between sphere & body - easier than measuring.
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vulgalour
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I say it a lot with your posts but... why didn't I think of that?
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Cos your not as old as me?
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i like that wolsley! not being au fait with this era of british cars, its just a derivative of the austin/bmc 1800 ?
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vulgalour
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Correct. It's basically an 1800 if you strip it all down to the shell and running gear. Bigger engine, more chrome, more plush interior, I expect more soundproofing given how quiet this one is, usually an automatic gearbox, plenty of unique bits of trim. You could get a Wolseley 18/85 too which was all the lovely plushness with a slightly smaller amount of chrome and a smaller engine. The Six was top of this particular pile. Armrests on BOTH front seats, and those front seats are enormous, you could probably curl up in them and have a little nap.
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My late step father had a Wolsey 6 - 2.2 - 6 cylinder 'PCX 218M' in BLMC Cosmic blue metallic and it went ok too that's when it was not stuck in the main dealers with yet another endless invoice - that engine throws the crank thrust bearings out like shelling peas !
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vulgalour
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Hopefully that won't be an affliction on this one! --- Got a Paprika carpet set for the Princess through the club. It's in better condition than the black carpet currently fitted and complete, which the black one isn't. It's obviously sun faded and has some mystery stains. 20171007-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr First job then was to get it vacuumed and get the Vax machine on it. Pulled out a good amount of dirt and pretty much all the staining. Obviously couldn't do anything for the sun fade. 20171007-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr It's now drying in the house with the dehumidifier running ready for the next phase. 20171007-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr 20171007-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr I'm going to be trying out a carpet dye on this as it's magnitudes cheaper than trying to get a custom carpet made or even buying the carpetting to make my own set. The sun fade and areas where there's original dye are light enough that I can use a colour rather than resorting to plain black. The carpet seems compatible with the dye I'm planning to use too, I won't know for definite until it arrives. Plans are afoot but I'm keeping them under one of my many hats for now so you'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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vulgalour
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Little victory tonight. Mike and I have been trying to get this indicator stalk back together and it just wasn't having it, firing springs off and all sorts. The big problem was the cancelling bits which just didn't want to line up at all, vice or no vice so Mike suggested that I just don't have self-cancelling indicators. Problem solved! Switch back together and sounds like it works, I'll know for definite when it's back on the car.
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vulgalour
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First job today was to get to the unit to grab the multimeter and a selection of spanners in the correct size. Then Mike could help fit this troublesome pipe. Even with the schrader valve removed and two of us wiggling the pipe about it was a chore to refit and then, more by luck than judgement, it popped into the right place. It will sit more correctly once it's all clipped in under the car. 20171009-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr Complicated arrangements of axle stands and jacks and a big wooden lever were employed to ease the crosstube out of the way to allow the rear of the pipe to go into place too. That's when I found that all the spanners I'd brought home and the spanners I already had at home were the wrong size for the pipe fittings so it couldn't be connected to the displacers today. 20171009-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr Importantly the pipe is in place and just needs pushing into the clips under the car, the connectors screwing onto the displacers and the schrader valve putting back in the block before we can pump it up again and hope it doesn't leak! Nearly called it quits several times because the weather decided to wait until we were past the point of no return before absolutely bucketing it down right up until we'd finished what we could do and then it stopped. Typical. 20171009-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr After a break and a clean up I went back out to fit the column stalks. I've reassembled the indicator stalk without the cancellers, a suggestion from Mike when both of us were fed up of springs pinging off into the unknown when we both attempted with great patience to rebuild the thing. I don't need self-cancelling indicators so this is no great loss for me. 20171009-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr Also made sure to do up the tiny column clamp screw and make sure the wires weren't interfering with trim or fixings when everything went back together. 20171009-05 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr Ignition on and all systems normal. No smells, no smoke, no unwanted clicking. Nothing manifested so I then tried out the indicators which function perfectly normally and again, no smells, no smoke, and the proper amount and rate of clicking. Decided to be even more brave and start the car. Same result! For now I'm considering that fixed and I'm wondering if it was somehow the self-cancelling components that were causing the issue, though I'm not sure how, since that's the only thing that's been altered. Put the column shroud back together, steering wheel back on and that made the interior look much tidier. Feeling pretty positive about this at the moment and eager to get the pipe fitted and the suspension pumped up. In celebration the rain decided to come back and I didn't really want to be fiddling about screwing the pipe back on and doing the clips while getting rained on so I'll leave that for another day. 20171009-06 by
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