vulgalour
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Sept 16, 2015 20:10:59 GMT
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The Triumph ones are really chunky and stick out as badly as the Princess ones. I'll work with the MG B ones, I just need to think a bit more carefully about it. For the back end I've got to find some suitable diameter tubing for the lights going in there... oh, did I just let a secret out?
Also, tomorrow night I collect two new sills for the Princess, passenger side repairs just got a whole world easier!
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vulgalour
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Sept 30, 2015 19:58:32 GMT
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Chopped out a rusty section so I could do repairs on the upper valance and found it was much worse on the back than expected, this meant a slight change in plans because replacing exactly as original was going to be time consuming (more not-available panels here) and I don't need the original shape anyway. A new upper valance section was created from that bonnet I'm still making use of and welded in place. The welds need dressing back to finish. Coincidentally, this removed all of the deformation of the valance panel so the front end looks much straight than it did. The structure behind is undamaged, it looks like all the damage was restricted to the wing and valance. This is less involved than repairing the original pieces in the way I was going to and took me less time. You'll just have to wait and see how it looks when I've done it, I've got all the pieces I just have to put them all back on the car. I'm still using the MG B indicator units, I have two possible locations for them which I'll decide between when the rest of the metal goes back on the car. A full height basking shark of a grille is tempting at this point, not something I'd seriously considered until the front end was completely dismantled like this. What I'm actually planning to do is far more mundane and should, I hope, look completely unmodified to the untrained eye. I've got some healthier looking headlight bowls in my spares stash too that will probably make their way onto the car, I just have to check the adjusters and such are still good on them. Watch this space, at any rate, things are moving in the right direction at the moment on this one.
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79cord
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Full height Grille. Noooo. Shallow grill & bumper widen & lengthen the car. Though I like the idea of (& want for my Accord) a pointy chrome bumper that does not wrap around the sides & over the frt guards. LED strip indicator/DRL lights just below. Can't think exactly where I saw it.
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marinacoupe
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As an alternate sidelight / indicator unit, checkout Marina/TR7 units. They fit much flusher than the MGB units. BL fitted the Marina ones to the TR7 by switching sides and turning upside down. Available new on RimmerBros website.
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Is that your old 2.o on ebay?
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vulgalour
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vulgalour
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Got a good way towards completing the welding on the front end today, which was a great feeling. Having decided on the indicator's final location I found I didn't have the time to make the small brackets needed to install them today, nor time to fit the final element of the front end. Instead, I managed to come very close to finishing the welding on the passenger front wing. All those little cuts on the arch have been welded up, a small hole I'd previously missed was caught and the bumper mount hole-and-bump flattened to match the arch better. I need to cut a new indicator hole and plate up the old one as well as plating up the bumper mounting hole before I can get a bit of filler on here to smooth it all out nicely. Tiny glimpse of the bit of metal I've not quite finished that's going back on the front end too. Happily managed to salvage the centre brace. I'm pretty sure now that this car has had a minor bump before I owned it because I found that were the metal had split was an old brazing repair. With some patience I got most of the original shape back to the brace and welded it in place. I also tidied up the front lip and centre seam of the lower valance and got some primer on it. A little bit of filler will see this all smoothed out properly. I'm rather pleased with it.
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vulgalour
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Just bought another set of rear lights to try out, a set I'd wanted but hadn't found cheap enough. I've now got offerings from Ford, BMW and Vauxhall, I wonder which I'll end up going with?
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That front end is looking well vulgalour Introduce this to the ground and it's going to look mean
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vulgalour
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Been off work with lurg today and as always that means playtime with Photoshop. This is only a mock-up to get an idea of shapes and stuff. It could work, I won't know for definite until the lights arrive and I can get things mocked up properly. I've been wanting Viva lights for a while, they're not a bad match shape wise, but they hadn't come up cheap enough until now. I've got enough spare boot lids to make reprofiling the lip easier and the boot seal is a generic sort so won't be too difficult to lengthen if need be. Number plate would be in a recessed box in the dead space of the rear valance and of a more attractive variety. No idea what to do with the exhaust, the standard item is pretty ugly. Cable or electronic remote release on the boot lid would be nice too, the standard lock is a funny looking thing. I won't need to move the boot latch to do this, that part remains standard and much of the metal work is left as is. I might have made the Viva lights too big in the mock-up too, but it gives the rough idea of how I'd like to go now I've played with and discarded a number of ideas. Considering how well the front end has gone I feel more confident I can do the back end now.
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Honestly, that looks bloody awful. Those lights looked bad on the Viva; on the Princess you're left with this featureless acre of back end with no visual interest.
Anything that would fit along the featureline of the bootlid, along the lines of Alfa GTV?
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Last Edit: Oct 5, 2015 20:51:07 GMT by Deleted
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vulgalour
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I don't like GTVs when they've got a spoiler, badges and unnecessary exhausts. The last black one would look nicer without the tailpipes and mesh bit for my personal taste and the others would look better without the boot badge. Great big expanse of nothing, just as I like it. I find the Viva rear lights one of the strongest and best design elements of the Viva. Worth noting as well that the GTV rear light bar had been considered but the curves and proportions aren't quite right so it would contradict the Princess shape rather than flowing with it so I discounted it early on.
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If the tail sloped to a point with the lights, it would make sense - but with the point, the very rearmost element of the car, being the corner of the bootlid and the lights then being a thin underline, it comes across as unbalanced.
If I wanted to do something to the back lighting, I'd make extremely thin lights that wrapped around the point, either side of the bootlid. Like the lights on the Austin 1800 Ute for example.
The lights were one of the strongest and most distinctive elements of the HC Viva, but the HC Viva was not the best car to come out of GM at that era.
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120y
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Back end of a Princess will be hard to reconfigure to look good, it was pretty bland to begin with, I think as said above you need lights that go all the way across or lights either side and a reflector in the middle.
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79cord
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Not really a fan either, looks like the lights have a peak at their outer edge, where Princess body has rounded corners. Firebird, or mid '70's GTV style light strips by LED's or mounting light units recessed inside? Even dual round rear lights to echo headlights? Hmm cars with rounded corners.. 204 Great lens shape, shame about chrome. Recessed slightly?
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Last Edit: Oct 6, 2015 12:46:19 GMT by 79cord
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vulgalour
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Similar profile, the lower part of the Viva bodywork angles inwards similarly and the curve of the corner isn't too far off either from what I can tell in pictures and remember for seeing HCs in person. They should be a good match and I should like them. The other lights suggested above aren't doing it for me at all. We shall all have to agree to disagree on this one.
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MaxN
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My only suggestion is to ensure that the numberplate is somewhat recessed, like the Viva.
I have a bit of a pet hate regarding relocated plates that are just stuck onto otherwise flat panels.
I personally like the idea of the Viva lights too - always liked that design....
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Could be the colour but no , the Viva lights look 'lost' , needs something bold to go with the heavy / angular rear end.
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I think the viva lights look spot on
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I like the Viva lights.. a little small for the back end perhaps, but I always liked them on the Viva and Magnum. I saw one of these the other day and thought perhaps upside-down you could have something rather big and bold like this? --Phil
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