ishan
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Sept 4, 2014 11:21:25 GMT
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This kind of follows on from the CAT C modified headache thread. I've searched but can't find anything relevant anywhere. I have been long thinking of replacing my rear axle for something more hefty and future proof. Its pretty much a well trodden route to fit a 4HA and this will involve cutting out and welding in some box sections to enable the 4 link set up. Reading that thread and noting the points system will mean a chassis/monocoque change put me over 8 points meaning a IVA test and a Q plate. I've seen a handful of Chevettes, Kadetts, Escorts, Mantas all with recently fitted axles and similar mods (XE conversion and box)and still wearing their original plates. So whats the real deal? All of this is giving me the shivers!
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Raoul Duke
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Sept 4, 2014 11:46:47 GMT
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Although the axles are recent additions, are you sure the turreting wasn't done much earlier? Escorts at least were being 4- or 5-linked many years ago, I suspect axle upgrades could be done without too much further chopping. Assuming all the work was recent, there's always the possibility that they're simply running illegally?
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 4, 2014 11:50:19 GMT
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IIRC Chevettes were 4-linked from the factory.
If you've got an MOT tester under a certain age, there's a good chance they wouldn't know what was original anyway, and if the work was done to a high standard, I would think there's a good chance that they'd miss it
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Iain
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Sept 4, 2014 15:17:36 GMT
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Just do it to a good standard and don't worry about it. Imagine most well modified cars have had slight/medium/large monocoque tweaks here and there.
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sowen
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Sept 4, 2014 16:15:09 GMT
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If you follow the letter of the law as it stands now then you should in theory end up going through the IVA process after a four link conversion, and any other substantial modifications to a monocoque bodyshell. It's not quite so simple, as when this all first kicked off a few years back ACE (Association of Car Enthusiasts) put a lot of effort into trying to clarify some general and specific points within the 8 points system, but they got a lot of abuse and went quiet on here. The general advice however is try to avoid modifying the bodyshell, keep it in such a condition that it can be easily returned to standard condition.
What the vast majority of people do is do the modifications, declare it on their insurance, mot the car and carry on about their daily lives without ever coming into contact with DVLA/VOSA and obviously retain the original registration plates.
It's a risk you take, hope that VOSA etc never take any notice of you, or have the full wrath of their guidelines and manuals thrown at you, at your cost and inconvenience. I don't know if there's anybody on here who has been actively caught out by it yet, but some established big projects have been known to go quiet and end up as parts on ebay.
You do your research into how it's done and the legalities of doing so, the rest is up to you.
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fogey
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Sept 4, 2014 16:48:57 GMT
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IIRC Chevettes were 4-linked from the factory. If you've got an MOT tester under a certain age, there's a good chance they wouldn't know what was original anyway, and if the work was done to a high standard, I would think there's a good chance that they'd miss it That'll make it ok then . . .
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 4, 2014 16:53:10 GMT
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That wasn't quite what I meant!
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Sept 5, 2014 18:37:08 GMT
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Chevette isn't 4 link, it's 2 links and a torque tube/panhard rod setup. Don't quote me on this, but I asked our local VOSA bod (by the way, they are now called DVSA since the merger with the driving standards agency...) and his opinion is that upgrade mods like this, safely done, don't affect a cars identity at all and that they have enough Kit cars and imports to SVA without making extra work for themselves. Of course, if you go telling someone at DVLA swansea about it all.......
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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v8jim
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Sept 6, 2014 21:51:42 GMT
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IIRC Chevettes were 4-linked from the factory. If you've got an MOT tester under a certain age, there's a good chance they wouldn't know what was original anyway, and if the work was done to a high standard, I would think there's a good chance that they'd miss it An MOT tester wouldn't care if it was modified or not, it's not their job they just check it meets the minimum road safety standard set by the dicks at VOSA
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Dez
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Sept 6, 2014 23:14:10 GMT
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not strictly true jim. my tester was telling me they're now going to be obliged to notify any major modifications on the mot system- i don't know if it goes on the cert or they just have to flag heavily modded cars to vosa, but policing vosa policy is now becoming part of their job unfortunately.
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v8jim
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I'm an mot tester and I've never heard of that but I can't see it happening because it would be impossible to regulate, who's going to teach all the younger testers about what's not standard on older cars they've never seen before
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+1 Jim, Also a tester and I've never heard this either.There have always been fails for INAPPROPRIATE modifications to suspension, brakes, steering etc but that's not the same thing as reporting mods to VOSA.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Dez
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Sept 7, 2014 10:27:45 GMT
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maybe he was talking plums then, i dunno. to be fair hes a grumpy curse word at the best of times. but he said landrovers are what they're going for round here more than anything, cos they take the curse word most, and every time they get a coil sprung series in they're supposed to report it.
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Last Edit: Sept 7, 2014 10:28:11 GMT by Dez
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Sept 7, 2014 10:40:07 GMT
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There have been quite a few changes recently, there seems to be a new special notice about once a month, but it's all either minor tweaks/messing around with the test standards and method (like the new brake test rules) or advance notice of the all-new web based MOT COMPUTER 2.0.
Add that to the VOSA (DVSA) guys complaining about pay freezes, no overtime and no new staff but more work.....
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Sept 7, 2014 12:14:53 GMT
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I know of one escort that was 4 linked without cutting the body, it was done by running the 4 bars from the front leaf spring mount for the top one and a bar from the anti tramp mount for the other. It was done by retromotorsport i think and fearured in classic ford.
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froggy
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Sept 7, 2014 13:11:25 GMT
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I heard something similar from a ve recently , sounds like it might be a case of the mods not actually affecting the test but having a box to tick to see if these modifications have been inspected . Not an idea I can see going anywhere as Vosa dvsa it whatever they are called this week won't be getting any bigger unless they start making a profit
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mat91
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Sept 7, 2014 19:07:59 GMT
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I heard something similar from a ve recently , sounds like it might be a case of the mods not actually affecting the test but having a box to tick to see if these modifications have been inspected . Not an idea I can see going anywhere as Vosa dvsa it whatever they are called this week won't be getting any bigger unless they start making a profit I'm a MOT tester and have not heard anything about such a button, stop scare mongering
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The stupid is everywhere
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Sept 7, 2014 19:21:41 GMT
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I'm a MOT tester and have not heard anything about such a button, stop scare mongering Hear hear! That's 3 testers so far saying the same thing. If it changes, we'll be the first to know about it via special notice.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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froggy
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Sept 7, 2014 23:06:55 GMT
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Like I said in the post it's not an idea that's likely to go anywhere but it's definitely being discussed as this was a conversation with a senior ve at an mot seminar held by Vosa The stuff that comes up in special notices has normally been discussed at these seminars to give a/e and testers a chance to give their views and nothing related to iva has come up in the last 7 years I've been going to these meetings
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