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So I read this one in Practical Classics...
Sommerset County Council have decided that car parts are Trade Waste. Thats right, even if you are working on your own car at home your car parts are to be treated as trade waste. The two examples cited were a rusty old door or wing and a starter motor. Somerset County Council will not allow you to put anything like this in your bin nor will their local tips accept it. A spokesman suggested to the PC team that they should take their old spark plugs and whatever down to the local scrap yard.
Other councils are expected to follow suit.
can I just get me a bitchslap to pass on to theese guys?
Give me a W, give me a T, give me a F. Add it together and whaddya have?
County Councillors not thinking things the motherfunk through before acting out daft rules.
Lets just check this out... car parts have to be trade waste for why? stuff like starter motors aren't that big, and they are made up of 99% of recyclable stuff like ductile iron, steel, copper wire, aluminium and that. Hardly weapons grade plutonium is it? And surely this is stuff we should be recycling?
And take it to a scrap yard? Puuurlease! Apart from the fact that "enviromental" laws ahave closed most of them down whats going to happen when you turn up at Mr Bloggs' Scrappy with an old oil filter, some plaugs and a fan belt? He's going to laugh in your face and tell you to f-off. Or offer to take them off your hands for a £20 fee....
My local tip isn't so bad, but come on, what its it with tips? Now they are all run by "private waste and recycling contractors" - or "travellers" as they are also known. Now theres a ton of restrictions on what you can tip there, like garden watste such as soil and stones or DIY waste like hardcore or slabs and tiles? One bag per person per month. No vans. no trailers! Only the stuff you can bring down in your private car. Had them turning their nose up at some bags of houshold rubbish I had when our bin was overflowing so I took it to the tip. Not sure we can take that mate. YOU'RE A FVCKING TIP. One day we'll turn up to the tip and there will be a sign that says "We onlya ccept new goods, boxed with a reciept which we can put on eBay or flog down the car boot sale"
And why can't you put soil in land fill? Come on , you're going to go bury it. Its soil. Whats the land made out of for fukcs sake!!!!!
So quite apart from the fact that Sommerset Council likes ot point out it does have oil banks where you can go tip your oil (well, thanks) but nowhere for you to put the filters... I suspect that fly tipping will be on the increase as enthusiasts, DIYers, home mechanics and small scale traders have nowhere to take their junk. Well done. Result.
I propose that anyone in Sommerset who has old car parts to dispose of them gets rid of them by going down to county hall, finding a councilor and shoving the lot where the sun don;t shine, rusty edge first.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Interesting.
Our local council are completely loopy when it comes to 'tip regulations'. Like you say, no hardcore or soild or this or that, no trucks trailers or commercial vehicles unless you apply for a 1-month permit and tell them -exactly- what you will be taking. Nutters.
Thankfully, the man who runs the tip thinks this is all curse word. He know if he turns stuff away it will just finish up dumped on the roadside 100 yards away. so unless you seriously take the pee, you can still pitch up with a truck full of randomness and a half ton of hardcore. Good man, even if he is a traveller.
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Last Edit: May 11, 2007 9:26:24 GMT by arthurbrown
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We must have it easy up here in Crewe, the local tip takes most tat, rubble, old car oil, batteries, fridges etc, without complaint. In France every tip has a set of concrete drive-up ramps and an oil drum on castors with a big extendable funnel as part of their equipment! You can just rock up and do an oil change there and then using their gear. Marvellous. I believe that most garages in Germany provide some sort of oil changing facility as well.
I would suggest to the folk of Somerset that in the absence of other waste disposal facilities, that they consider leaving their old starter motors etc in local beauty spots.
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Yeah its a sad sign of the future. i read that too I know how about wrapping it in over packaging from supermarket foods, or even dirty disposable nappies. right about fly tipping. it will happen, rishworth moor is more and more gated every time i pass to discourage this, which is Sad, and disgraceful on all parties.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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bryn
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Well this is rather amusing, having lived in Somerset on and off for thirty years I don't really see this as a problem. I pile up my metal waste in the corner of the lock-up and either send it off in a scrap car or just take a boot full down to the metal recycling depot in one go. I can't remember the last time I took car based stuff to the tip, sure it's maybe a trip to another place, but meh... The local tip is really good in Taunton, they will take old tyres, batteries, metal all sorts of tip type stuff. Seeing as that's the seat of the local council I'm going to go with them on this one, there's probably a good reason for it. Taunton has been used to try out a number of recycling and rubbish collection schemes, food etc. This is all said from the perspective of having left the country now of course...
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Last Edit: May 11, 2007 9:38:38 GMT by bryn
Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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I think the tips are ok, its the strict safety and red tape rules, generated by stuffed suits that don't live in the real world is my opinionated guess.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Oh super. Mind you it shouldnt be that hard to get round, find someone who`s weighing a car in, they`ll be happy to have it filled up with bits that`ll make it heavier. Fiestas with no engine will start weighing in for £150 `cos they're that weighed down with old starters and front wings.
Just a little bit of absurdity I observed a couple of years ago regarding the new regs at scrapyards - I was watching some cars being depolluted and crushed in a big scrapyard while waiting for my mate to get a fuel pump off something, I saw all the wheels & tyres being removed and stacked up in big piles, everything else was taken off - cat, fluids drained etc. and then, when the car had come to the end of the process and it was time to hoy it in the crusher, a couple of lads would quickly come and lob 4 or 5 of the stacked tyres inside it!
Souns like the rest of Europe has got a pretty good handle on this, while we just...havent.
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The local tip is really good in Taunton, they will take old tyres, batteries, metal all sorts of tip type stuff. However this appears to be a statement that they are changing that policy... yeah, its fine to store up all uour old metal and weigh it in, if you have the space to do that, fine. but how many old oil filters, etc etc do you need to make that worth while. Also what about the less recyclable stuff like air filter elements, wiper blades, etc? They say they want you to dispose of them as trade waste now but who's going to take them? Not so long ago a guy in Leicester got fined £50 for putting an envelope in the litter bin in the street! Household waste is not allowed in street bins! FFS
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Why didnt that guy in Leicester just say "f*ck off" and walk away? I cant imagine it would have been a Swat team that pulled him up for that. I once saw someone get fined £50 for dropping a tab end, and honestly, if you`d refused to pay up or give any details there would have been f*ck all this guy could have done about it. Think Rick Moranis`s soft little brother.
I`m not one of these armchair revolutionists but some people in this country need to learn a bit of resistance.
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bryn
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Not so long ago a guy in Leicester got fined £50 for putting an envelope in the litter bin in the street! Household waste is not allowed in street bins! FFS Now that's quite clearly insane. The batteries, tyres and other waste all have seperate collection points within the tip at Taunton. I'm guessing as ever there's been an abuse of the system so somebody has to pay, which again is probably us hobbyists. Point taken it could be all about to change back in the 'Set. I'm going back there in three weeks and have quite a lot of car based work to do, so I guess I'll find out then.
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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May 11, 2007 10:06:30 GMT
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The tip in Newbury is very good, and listens to the people who regularly go there. They had the green waste in a container at one point, which meant you had to carry everything up metal stairs... not sensible, but people asked for it to be moved and they moved it.
They also have a place to put everything, car batteries, tyres, gas cans, scrap metal, green waste, plastic, really whatever you have, and you can turn up in whatever you want with as much as you want as long as you arent really taking the pee.
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JC
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May 11, 2007 11:05:16 GMT
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....restrictions on what you can tip there, like garden watste such as soil and stones or DIY waste like hardcore or slabs and tiles? so wtf are people meant to do with it then? you can't put it in the bin, can't take it up the tip, and can't fly-tip it. seems to me there isn't really another option!
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May 11, 2007 11:10:14 GMT
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You have to pay for it to go as builders trade waste, or hire a skip, the price of which has doubled in recent years due to tipping costs. I remember I was clearing a site at my old place and the truck was going to the trade place and it was costong me over £100 a time for his trips in wages, diesel and tipping fees. mad. And that was 1994.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 11, 2007 11:12:46 GMT
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Why didnt that guy in Leicester just say "f*ck off" and walk away? First he heard about it was when he recieved the fine in the post. They had his address from the envelope they pulled out of the bin. If you don't pay its the same as you not paying your council tax. You get a CCJ and your credit goes down the pan. I think you can go to jail for not paying the council as well. People did over the "poll tax" and I'm sure a pensioner down south recently did with the council tax on a protest there. Same as someone on another forum I use got done big style. They hired a skip to clear their house, the skip company decided to fly tip the contents rather than pay to dump them properly. The council came across the fly tipped stuff and found stuff with this guys address on it. So they sent him a £1500 fly tipping fine. Which he had to pay, court enforced. The law says if you subcontract your waste then you are still responsible for it.
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Last Edit: May 11, 2007 11:14:51 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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filmidget
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May 11, 2007 12:25:32 GMT
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I have been told 'no car bits' in a Notts tip already! I took a load of household stuff to West Bridgford recycling centre, and chucked a few bits from the garage in there. Stopped at the cabin to see what they wanted doing with a cracked car windscreen as wouldn't fit through the hole in the bottle bank - the woman inside stated they were not allowed to take car bits - it was a piece of glass FFS! I literally got two steps away from the cabin and nearly turned back and said "I have this box of broken glass, what do you want doing with it?" but just acted all English and took it home (dumping it in next doors skip that night ) To add insult when I went to dump the rest of the stuff, the guy sorting the metal was quite happy to take a load of obviously car-related old suspension parts - but of course that wouldn't be anything to do with the price of scrap would it... Incidently, I thought I would do the right thing and tell the guys rumaging in the skips checking black bags that mine contained nappies... he then starts that they shouldn't take them as they are a biohazard! Just what the hell are we meant to do with them then? 'Cos our bin collection is fortnightly, and we were filling it just with nappies (have twin boys), nevermind the usual household 'unrecycleables' (and just imagine the smell of a black bin, stood in the sun, filled with up to 2 week old nappies).
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May 11, 2007 12:53:20 GMT
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Bridgeford tip is my local. The guy with the beard there is always dead friendly, like I'm his long lost brother or something.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 11, 2007 13:15:15 GMT
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These guys do have a brain unfortunately. You see, when (hopefully if) they start charging for household waste collection by the kg, 95% of the population will start driving it down the tip. Ours is between our house and our nearest Asda, so it could become part of the regular shopping trip. So, to ensure their revenue stream, local councils will have to ensure that nothing could be thrown away at the tip unless they find a way to charge for it... I read something somewhere about this - it was all about searching vehicles to ensure that the rubbish they were carrying was covered by their waste-disposal license... it's deeply surreal!
Graham
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May 11, 2007 13:24:00 GMT
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remember that the tips are NOT run by the councils any more, they are privatised. Taking it to the tip isn't an option if they won't take it at the tip.
IMO, they should charge for domestic waste disposal. This will encourage people to recycle. I am getting really fed up with a lot of people I know who just can't be arzed to put their recyclables in the recycle bin they have been provided for that purpose. If charging people is the only way to get the message home then so be it. I deliberately buy products in minimal / recyclable packaging anyway and again this should be encouraged.
What fvcks me off almightyly here is that recyclables like metal or glass car parts are becoming harder to dispose of in an enviornmentally appropriat way - ie at the tip where they will be recycled or in the recycling bin the council comes and collects.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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May 11, 2007 13:40:03 GMT
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as we speak I have a MR2 boot full of household tins bottles in as many materials as I know can be recycled. mini hassle specially as theres no cardboard skip at the Morrisons. and we don't seem to have a recycle bin. gave me the perfect half a$$ed reason to drive to work this morn! ;D Charging for waste is the icing on the cake though encourage recycling but why is it Bills go up, inc council tax then suddenly its pay as you go for a bunch of things like NHS stuff, future bin stuff, tipping, parking iutside ya houseetc and people moving to private schools. these fuggers want the cake and eat it, you'll be charged for teh Co2 for breathing next.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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May 11, 2007 14:48:38 GMT
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MR2 boot full of household tins & bottles? So thats two empty Glenfiddich miniatures and a snack size appletise tin, then? And even at that you can only just close it? ;D ;D
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