BenKH
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I'm a chinese delivery driver on a limited budget. I'm after something cheap to buy/run/maintain, reliable and looks half decent. A Peugeot 306 DTurbo seems to be fitting the bill pretty well What does RR know about them? I will be looking at the later 2.0 HDI, as the original 1.9 DTurbo 306s are annoyingly £1000+ more to insure (I'm 19, oddly enough the 2.0 HDI is £400 cheaper a year than my current 106 1.5 non-turbo diesel). I've heard the 2.0 HDIs aren't as reliable, is this true? Part of the appeal to me of the D Turbo is the fact it's practical but seems to have some scope for modifying, remaps, intercoolers and the like, I'm not particularly after figures but I just like modifying cars. I'd probably also consider a 206 to be honest; even cheaper to insure than a 306, I just prefer how the 306 looks, and the interior. So, 2.0 HDI DTurbos, reliable? And what's the tuning capabilities?                    |
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Rich
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Well, first up, you are looking for a 306 HDi, not a 306 DTurbo. 2 different cars there. The HDi isn't a bad motor but you want to look out for one that's been well cared for. But being a bigger brother of the XUD the early ones seem to survive well enough.
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Don't know a lot about the 306 AFAIK the 206 came in 90bhp and 110bhp, the latter having a different front bumper and an intercooler. I know a chap who had a 90bhp, fitted an intercooler and had a remap and a rolling road showed it at 136bhp. I've always fancied one myself as when lowered with a good wide wheel on they handle pretty well, and the Firedance Orange looks great.
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stealthstylz
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Bloke next door at work buys and sells Bajingos and the HDi's don't seem to go wrong either if they're looked after. Just make sure you change the aux belt they seem particularly prone to wiping the the cambelt out when they snap.
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VIP
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If you're looking for a car that cheap to run, definitely choose the D Turbo over the HDi engine, as you can run it on vegetable oil.
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THE_Liam
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Well, first up, you are looking for a 306 HDi, not a 306 DTurbo. 2 different cars there. The HDi isn't a bad motor but you want to look out for one that's been well cared for. But being a bigger brother of the XUD the early ones seem to survive well enough. Actually mate there is a HDi D Turbo, it's a trim level. GTI suspension, 266mm brakes. I've had 5 or 6 306 XUDs, never had a HDi though but I know a fair bit about them. Here's a summary: XUD: Bosch pump cars will run on 100% veg oil No ECU or other electrical witchcraft For the price of a boost gauge, you can tune them to around 120bhp with no other mods, 130bhp maybe with a straight through, ground LDA and modded governor, 160bhp+ with a bigger turbo HDI: Far more economical due to efficient common rail design and higher gearing For £50 there or thereabouts, a stage 1 map will see 125bhp roughly with no other mods. Any more requires an upgraded clutch for about £300, but then a stage 2 map should see 160bhp. Stage 3 is an R70 fuel pump and a bigger turbo, theoretically can see 200bhp+ but not often been done Can't run veg oil Engines are solid but ECUs, MAF sensors and lift pumps can cause issues No veg oil  Have a look on 306oc.co.uk, plenty of knowledge there. |
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Ryannn
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I've had a 206 HDi, each different bhp car has more expensive things to change, for example, I think the ones over 100bph have DPF and dual mass flywheel, the one I had was 90bhp so didnt have either of them.
Personally I'd avoid them, heard nothing but bad things before I got mine and it did develop issues even with FSH.
Have you looked at anything else? If I wanted a small diesel, I'd be looking at Golfs.
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Rich
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Have you looked at anything else? If I wanted a small diesel, I'd be looking at Golfs. I wouldn't. Overpriced and over-mile-d, prone to many many issues just like any other car and rarely looked after properly. One thing working in the trade has shown me is that often the most sought after cars are the worst maintained or abused. |
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THE_Liam
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Jul 18, 2014 10:56:46 GMT
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I've had a 206 HDi, each different bhp car has more expensive things to change, for example, I think the ones over 100bph have DPF and dual mass flywheel, the one I had was 90bhp so didnt have either of them. Personally I'd avoid them, heard nothing but bad things before I got mine and it did develop issues even with FSH. Have you looked at anything else? If I wanted a small diesel, I'd be looking at Golfs. The only engine in the 306 is the 90bhp which has no DPF or DMF. Neither does the 110bhp in the 406, only difference is an intercooler and a different map. the 136bhp 2.2 has a DPF I believe. They are very reliable, and much cheaper than a Golf of a similar vintage, and don't suffer from the problems that PD engines do such as cam/lifter problems, DMF, DPF and the likes, plus compared to a PD they run so smooth you'd think there was double cream in the tank... |
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Jul 18, 2014 16:28:14 GMT
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i had a 306 estate with the 2.0 hdi and apart from the bottom pully which drives the aux belt going on it i never had any problems, now i got a piccasso with the same engine and funily enough the bottom pully went on this too, it seems to have a rubber center which deteriates but not expensive to fix, not modded either of mine as they are the mrs daily run around but neither let me down and the picasso averages 39mpg around town all day long too.
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Jul 18, 2014 22:21:48 GMT
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i had one and found it pretty boring, i barely remember owning it. its not like me to forget such a thing. was best car for mpg ive ever had though.
my mates bird had one, spent £4k or something silly on modifying the engine only to take it on a rolling road to find it gained only 5bhp.
i wouldnt waste my time modifying one, just run it as a cheap barge
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awoo
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Jul 18, 2014 22:28:02 GMT
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just remembered it had a split second of decent acceleration in 2nd gear but it literally was for the length of a sneeze or a cough, then you change gear.
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jmsheahan
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I've got a HDI as my daily hack (do 20k+ miles a year).
I've had it 2 years now and covered around 50k in that time (its on 150k now). Its not the most exciting car to drive but its a good work horse. You have a limited boost range so overtaking with one takes a little practice but it'll move well enough if you need it to. Touch wood I've only had to replace a few suspension components and the tank lift pump as well as service items, brakes etc.
Watch out for the crank pulley as it seems to be a common issue - the rubber inside these disintegrates after a while causing it to vibrate and knock (right next to cambelt, not worth the risk). I think when I replaced mine it was £60 and about 30 mins work so no biggie.
Watch out for cambered rear beams as well as these aren't particularly cheap to replace.
Running costs I can get 700 miles from a tank on a good run, usually around 630-670 with my usual commute. Service parts are dirt cheap and a lot of bits can be had from the scrappy for peanuts,
HTH
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2014 6:44:10 GMT by jmsheahan
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skrapz
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If you're looking for a car that cheap to run, definitely choose the D Turbo over the HDi engine, as you can run it on vegetable oil. This ^^ I had a Citroen ZX with the XUD Turbo diesel unit and they have an in line diesel heater before the pump already fitted. Mine loved 100% SVO until around November when it needed thinning a bit for the cold starts. diesel 1.36 a litre around here SVO from Costco 90p a litre even morrisons have 5 litres for 3.99 at the moment. I always used the KTC brand. A little tweaking on the pump and a better intercooler and these engines are deceptively nippy. |
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I'd rather loose by a mile cause I built my own car than win by an inch because someone else built it for me. Your car is your story, so don't let anyone else write the book.
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Jul 19, 2014 17:59:46 GMT
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. Just make sure you change the aux belt they seem particularly prone to wiping the the cambelt out when they snap. Something like this must be what happened to my 306 HDI, I had a whole series of problems shortly after swapping the cambelt, aux belt snapped, then alternator went, then the new cambelt snapped apparently due to poor standard of work on the aux belt. Basically wrote my car off. Might have just been unlucky but it's put me off anything HDI. I had a 90s 306 D turbo prior to the HDI which had almost no probs for the 4 years I owned it despite some teenager-esque abuse. |
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