MWF
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Apr 23, 2007 12:38:14 GMT
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Rmad has it spot on.
It's yours, do what you want. Anyone who has a problem should either dip into their pockets to save the car or fugg off and mind their own business.
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Tarka
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Apr 23, 2007 12:38:21 GMT
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I think I saw in one of Hotwire's posts recently. He had questioned modding his Datsun but his view was, that while mint, its not the last surviving model. There will be someone somewhere with a mint, untouched example. Its up to you - if you've got the itch to mod - scratch it!
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Sharks in the garage.🐬🇩🇪
I'll finish my projects when you've finished your's!😎😜
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Apr 23, 2007 15:36:08 GMT
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Hummm, I was with the "do not mod rare motors" brigade, but thinking about it ALL cars get crushed in the end so who cares?
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1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.  |
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1900sr
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Apr 23, 2007 19:25:09 GMT
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I like to see original cars that have survived pretty much as they were when they left the showroom, but the honest truth is that the car is yours, do what you like with it.
It is a shame when a very rare car is modified, especially as they will very rarely be put back to standard,but that's the way of the world. Maybe if old cars were worth mega money more would be kept standard, can you imagine someone buying the Mona Lisa and repainting her topless because that'd make her better in their opinion?
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Apr 23, 2007 20:05:27 GMT
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there is no such thing as a car thats to good or to rare to mod if you own it its yours to do what ever you want with my old 2 door gt was featured in classic car weekly as a exelent example of what to go for when looking for a mk3 GT the shell was spot on and it was a genuine origonal 2 door pre facelift GT before :  after :  i know which one i prefered ;D  |
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Apr 23, 2007 20:44:16 GMT
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I'm having the same problem making a decision also, I bought a marina off of ebay blind to use as the shell for my turbo project and it didn't look too bad but with a lot of welded patches so no worries on cutting it up then Ive stripped it down and realized its a rot box  and it will probably burst at the seams when I put 200 od bhp through her so Ive bought another one and its turned out to be a early potentially rare one do I cut/modify it or restore it? you cut/modify it. even if you stick the 200bhp through it , it will still be recognisable as a Marina . and if the sticklers for originality complain , it's still another marina saved and on the road.. you didn't buy it to satisfy other peoples whims , you bought it as a shell for your turbo project . I say follow your original plan,to hell with what anybody else thinks, it's your money/project - go for it  |
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Apr 23, 2007 20:58:14 GMT
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Your car = your rules. Most of my cars are only around because they are modified, and I don't worry at all about making changes. after all, if it was right, why would it NEED changing? I'm just making it fit my needs/wants. Even something as rare as the chevanne is now (I think there may be four or five left) has had a stereo, alloys and better seats (seicento arbarth!) fitted. I will brobably tire of the 1256 and whiney box too but I'm trying to be sympathetic and not cut the shell at all so everything is bolt on. And I have the skinny steels, hubcaps, seats and blanking plate stored IF someone ever wanted to make it standard again. And NEVER listen to a purist/anorack whining about saving a rare car. I advertised what was probably the last Mk1 wolsely 1800 auto landcrab free to collector, asked the owners club etc. All said it should be saved but no-one would actually get up and do something. It went in the crusher in the end, I couldn't spare the space any longer. Wish I'd found RR then, someone would have had it to mod, I'm sure!
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Apr 23, 2007 21:04:37 GMT
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 I'm a bit of a purist/anorak and am also on the Committee of an owners club. I also whine about saving rare cars, but I can't save them all! Wouldn't mind trying though, trouble is real life gets in the way! I have saved quite a few though.
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Apr 23, 2007 21:40:15 GMT
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I'm a bit of a purist/anorak and am also on the Committee of an owners club. I also whine about saving rare cars, but I can't save them all! Wouldn't mind trying though, trouble is real life gets in the way! I have saved quite a few though. at least you practice what you preach , most people (probably even some of your fellow skoda clubbers) wouldn't have bothered with the estelle you saved but even if you do 'restore' it , if along the way you decide otherwise and you end up modding it - you saved it from the crusher and that's what it's all about doesn't matter whether it's modded or bog standard - IT'S ALIVE !! |
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Apr 25, 2007 11:56:12 GMT
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The question was asked aboiut "survivors" not rare cars. A survivor is a car which has managed to get through 30, 40, 50 years woithough being restored, repaired or modified in any way.
So say you have a '65 Mk1 Cortina 1500 Deluxe which has 30K on the clock, orioginal paint and trim, all mint original never welded, or you have a '65 Mk1 Deluxe which has been restored... the two are not the same thing. I wouold think it a bit of a shame to modify the original one. The restored one is no longer original so its fair game. Whats even worse is wehn someone takes a car like the hypothetical survivor Cortina and restores it! You just wiped away all the history and for what? So you can havce over glossy 2K paint job and not-quite-right retrim? wanQuers.
If you want to resto a car there is always one which needs saving, if you want to modify one theres always one less original to cut up.
These ol' survivor cars are only original the once. Its a shame to loose them.
But then OTOH banger racers race nice cars without a qualm...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Apr 25, 2007 11:58:27 GMT
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and one I don't get is the thing most beloved of muscle car modifiers, youcan't modify just any old Buick Skylank, you want the ultimate GS455, so you buy an original GS455 (which is a rare old muscle car) and throw away the motor, trans, axles, suspension, interior and have it custom trimmed, resprayed, all new G-machine suspension, 9" fab rear, LS2 motor etc and guess what, the world is down by one original genuine GS455 and you might as well have started with a plain Skylark for whats left of the original car!
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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v8lee
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Apr 25, 2007 12:05:45 GMT
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Rare survivor? Low mileage? One careful owner? CUT IT UP!!  |
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No more old cars
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Apr 25, 2007 12:07:13 GMT
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So is it acceptable to modify this then?  Is this a 'survivor'? - never been restored, proper old car. |
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Apr 25, 2007 12:08:08 GMT
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heh heh heh Lee  You could almost reverse those mods LOL. How's it coming on, is it doewn at the house yet or still entombed at the lockup? |
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Last Edit: Apr 25, 2007 12:08:25 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Apr 25, 2007 12:09:59 GMT
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So is it acceptable to modify this then? Is this a 'survivor'? - never been restored, proper old car. your call. also depends what you man by modify. If it looks like something Westwoods Pimp My= Ride would have turned out then no. If its a proper period sympathetic approach then thats fair game on pretty much anything,. |
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Apr 25, 2007 12:12:09 GMT
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Tricky one and I can see plus points to both arguements. Personally, I'm not into modding that much anyway (I know, what am I doing here!) but I look at some of the Nightmare creations and am truly in awe. But if someone took a rare car, made a real meal of the "modifications" so it ended up becoming a very curse word, banger mod, I'd have to say that I would have preferred it if it hadn't been touched.
I'm sure there are those who would take the original Benz three wheeler and drop a V8 into it but while I do see an importance in maintaining heritage (ie leave some cars as they are) the world would be a much poorer place without some of the incredible mod-jobs we see.
My only arguement against the modding of a survivor is that I know how much I adore my largely-original spec 2CV and I'd be gutted if at some point down the line, someone cut it up and made a monster special out of it. But then, I'd probably be dead by that point so it wouldn't really matter!
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and it will probably burst at the seams when I put 200 od bhp through her so Ive bought another one and its turned out to be a early potentially rare one
I'm a bit of a purist/anorak and am also on the Committee of an owners club. I also whine about saving rare cars, but I can't save them all! Wouldn't mind trying though, trouble is real life gets in the way! I have saved quite a few though. 
You could almost reverse those mods LOL. 