tom13
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Feb 26, 2014 22:07:30 GMT
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Hi guys,
I am in the process of selling my car and I want to leave it in front of my house to advertise it. The car has tax and mot but it is not insured. It will be infront of my house but on a grass verge next to the road out of the way. Is this ok to be parked there or will I get in trouble for having it there?
Cheers
Tom
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Feb 26, 2014 22:09:31 GMT
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It needs to be insured if taxed, dvla will fine you if its not,
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Feb 26, 2014 22:13:23 GMT
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You can't have any vehicle on the public road, whether driven or parked, without insurance. Also you can't have a taxed vehicle with no insurance in place.
You therefore need to either insure or (a) park off the road (b) surrender road tax and sorn.
Many councils have a policy about uninsured cars being parked for sale on their land (grass verges) and simply tow them away.
Paul H
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tom13
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Feb 26, 2014 22:15:30 GMT
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Better move it then. God dam! Should i have been sent a letter saying i shoild surrender tax?
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Feb 26, 2014 22:23:06 GMT
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Minimum you would get is some kind of obstruction of the highway fine
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Feb 26, 2014 22:55:58 GMT
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Plus a fine for no insurance, or at worst, they will take the car and crush it.
Not worth the hassle. Insure it, or keep it off the road.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:23:44 GMT
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Plus a fine for no insurance, or at worst, they will take the car and crush it. Not worth the hassle. Insure it, or keep it off the road. you can't receive a no insurance fine if you are not and have not driven the car as the offence is driving without a valid certificate of insurance but the council can have it towed (£150 release fee) for being parked on the verge but that is unlikely as the council don't do insurance checks if the car is taxed. Plus the car doesn't get crushed straight away, you would have 14 days to get it back. The taxed/ insurance advice given is sound. |
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Last Edit: Feb 26, 2014 23:24:59 GMT by Deleted
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Rich
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Feb 26, 2014 23:28:20 GMT
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Plus a fine for no insurance, or at worst, they will take the car and crush it. Not worth the hassle. Insure it, or keep it off the road. you can't receive a no insurance fine if you are not and have not driven the car as the offence is driving without a valid certificate of insurance but the council can have it towed (£150 release fee) for being parked on the verge but that is unlikely as the council don't do insurance checks if the car is taxed. Plus the car doesn't get crushed straight away, you would have 14 days to get it back. The taxed/ insurance advice given is sound. The law changed recently, you can't have a taxed car without insurance. EDIT: link |
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Last Edit: Feb 26, 2014 23:32:02 GMT by Rich
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Feb 26, 2014 23:32:34 GMT
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you can't receive a no insurance fine if you are not and have not driven the car as the offence is driving without a valid certificate of insurance but the council can have it towed (£150 release fee) for being parked on the verge but that is unlikely as the council don't do insurance checks if the car is taxed. Plus the car doesn't get crushed straight away, you would have 14 days to get it back. The taxed/ insurance advice given is sound. The law changed recently, you can't have a taxed car without insurance. which is why I put 'the taxed/ insured advice given is sound' |
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Feb 26, 2014 23:42:33 GMT
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you can't receive a no insurance fine if you are not and have not driven the car as the offence is driving without a valid certificate of insurance I'll think you'll find the wording of s143 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 or whatever it is now, refers to "using", not "driving". You most definitely can get done for having no insurance if the car is just parked up. |
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Feb 26, 2014 23:52:53 GMT
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you can't receive a no insurance fine if you are not and have not driven the car as the offence is driving without a valid certificate of insurance I'll think you'll find the wording of s143 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 or whatever it is now, refers to "using", not "driving". You most definitely can get done for having no insurance if the car is just parked up. You could be right but Since the new regs came in force allowing cars to be impounded (7--8 years ago) I nor anyone I know has Impounded a car for no insurance without it having been driven as the RAF and V56 has to have a drivers name on it (so they can get the car back from the impound) and what's to say it hasn't just been insured but not yet showing on the MIB database, it can take several days for it to show and the police are liable for the costs if that's the case which is one reason why it won't be towed. |
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Feb 26, 2014 23:53:45 GMT
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Plus a fine for no insurance, or at worst, they will take the car and crush it. Not worth the hassle. Insure it, or keep it off the road. So when I wrote it the first time around, after looking at the Traffic laws, I was right. Hence why I posted it. Rules aren't for bending, and I'll be the first to have a chuckle if a vehicle gets recovered because it's uninsured, untaxed, or unmoted. One less on the road to worry about IMO. |
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Feb 26, 2014 23:59:30 GMT
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I never mentioned being towed, nor did you in the piece I quoted.
If the cops come across a parked car and discover it has no insurance, they'll find the registered keeper. If that doesn't work, they'll chap doors till they find out who owns it. He'll cop for 6 points and the chances are that at that point, it'll get towed.
Receiving wrong advice as gospel is one of the dangers of asking these sort of questions in Internet forums.
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If the cops come across a parked car and discover it has no insurance, they'll find the registered keeper. If that doesn't work, they'll chap doors till they find out who owns it. He'll cop for 6 points and the chances are that at that point, it'll get towed. . The thought of police officers wasting time knocking on doors just to find out who might have driven a car the might be insured is so laughable. I assume this has happened to you has it? Nope thought not. The majority of cars that show as uninsured on the ANPR are insured which is one of many reasons why the police wouldn't waste time trying to find the owner unless the car had been seen being driven on the road. My 'wrong advice' is based on years of working for the police and other enforcement agencies dealing car related offences. |
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Last Edit: Feb 27, 2014 0:19:51 GMT by Deleted
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Oh well. You'll know then.
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If the cops come across a parked car and discover it has no insurance, they'll find the registered keeper. If that doesn't work, they'll chap doors till they find out who owns it. He'll cop for 6 points and the chances are that at that point, it'll get towed. Sorry thats just not the case, i'm 100% with 1300dolly on this, from personal experiance and actually asking about standard procedure 99% of the time they won't do anything on a taxed vehicle showing no insurance that is legally parked, basically because it could be covered on a traders policy, not yet showing on the MID etc and they have better things to spend their time on rather than knocking on random doors trying to find the owner - even if they do find the current registered keeper it could have recently been put in trade etc so its really a blind alley. They really really don't like having to put release and police pay on the bottom of the impound note...... The exception to this would be if there is also another reason to have the car removed. Anyway to answer the original post, no you can't its an offence, you'll need to send the tax in/ declare SORN (Form v14 from memory) and keep it off the road, if you have a drive stick it in there where it can be seen from the road with some big for sale signs on it. Otherwise keep it insured till its sold. |
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I concur with 1300 dolly. Uninsured being driven is a different matter
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Well, you're wrong. Read the law. Uninsured is uninsured. The crime is "use", "not drive". People have most definitely been prosecuted and had points imposed for using not driving. Anything on the public road or in a public place must be insured whether it is driven or not. You can think there is a distinction all you like, agree with whoever you like, but you're wrong.
Road traffic Act 1988. S143. Look it up. Please don't post facts if you're not sure - people may rely on your "knowledge" to their cost.
Whether the cops would go searching is possibly another matter. If there was a complaint, they certainly would. Around here definitely. Maybe ours have less real work to do or would rather spend time doing curse word all, but I've had two recent occasions where they've chapped my door about cars parked absolutely 100% legally.
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bigspj
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Feb 27, 2014 10:39:45 GMT
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That's only in relation to the DVLA rules in regard to continuous insurance.
The question of whether you can be prosecuted for using a car without insurance when you are physically not driving is something different and nothing to do with the DVLA.
Despite what a couple of industry experts on here think, you most definitely can be prosecuted and get points if your car is in a public place without insurance.
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