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Apr 11, 2007 19:37:01 GMT
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Waiting for my latest upload again spotted this, nice edits on this one. Can someone explain ahow all this heel toe thing works. i don't get it. Just saving time pedal hopping? Anyway enjoy
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Apr 11, 2007 19:57:07 GMT
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I believe its todo with rev matching-
When you're braking and changing down, use the accelerator to match the revs, but still braking at the same time. I believe its more a case of "big toe and side of the foor"
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slater
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Apr 11, 2007 20:09:57 GMT
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if you change down a gear you should blip the throttle (at the same time as brakeing) tobring up the revs before the clutch re-engages to avoid the engine braking locking the wheels and possbily damaging the gearbox in some cases too.
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Apr 11, 2007 20:18:47 GMT
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Blimey! Can anyone here do it? is my next question
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Mr K
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Apr 11, 2007 20:35:21 GMT
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I was under the impression it was also used to keep turbo cars on boost during bends, but I'm probably talking made up rubbish.
I have always wanted to try heel and toeing, but I'm too unskilled and end up stepping on all the kittens pedals at once (not hard, its pretty crampt down there!), not aided by them all being different hights! the 306 is a simular lash up job in the pedal department, only with a french twist thrown in.
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Last Edit: Apr 11, 2007 20:36:14 GMT by Mr K
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slater
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Apr 11, 2007 21:24:58 GMT
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I do it all the time. don't even think about it tbh.
If you drive a car that likes to stall all the time you probably do something simlar when pulling up to stop at a junction or something.
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Apr 11, 2007 21:29:16 GMT
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If you drive a car that likes to stall all the time you probably do something simlar when pulling up to stop at a junction or something. Actually that rings a bell, usually with hand brake though, not best in yorksire, and defo heel toe would be only wat with an MR2 or other craply handbraked cars!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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slater
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Apr 11, 2007 21:39:10 GMT
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Whats a handbrake?? Give it a go. On my escort i bent the throttle pedal closer to the brake to make it a bit easyier. Or just wear big boots all the time!
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Apr 11, 2007 21:39:23 GMT
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Technique goes back to the days before gearboxes had synchromesh, when you HAD to double-declutch both up and down the box. Largely unnecessary now unless A.your gearbox is shagged or B.you want everyone to think you're Walter Rohrl.
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Apr 11, 2007 21:57:44 GMT
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If you drive a car that likes to stall all the time you probably do something simlar when pulling up to stop at a junction or something. nope. neutral, left foot on brake, right foot blipping throttle. hours of buggy fun! ;D
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Apr 11, 2007 22:03:54 GMT
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Try this video, I think this explains it fairly well:
When you change down in the Mira, it is quite a harsh change, but if you blip the throttle it changes very smoothly, so I did that and learned how to brake as well later (I used to brake, then off the brake, then blip the accelerator). What I tend to do is brake gently using the top of my foot on the bottom of the brake pedal, then twist my foot sideways while still on the brake to nudge on the accelerator slightly with my heel. It depends a lot on the pedal setup on your car too, on mine they're spaced quite close together, but some cars you might want to bend them like Slater says! Different shoes can help too, I'm loads better at doing it in my bendy loafers I wear for work than flat-soled trainers! Maybe try practicing while parked up?
It isn't that difficult to do in itself I think, but it looks pretty intimidating when done by experts because they can do it so quickly!! Wish I was that good, I'm not very good at it but need to start somewhere I guess!
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Apr 11, 2007 22:07:41 GMT
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If you drive a car that likes to stall all the time you probably do something simlar when pulling up to stop at a junction or something. nope. neutral, left foot on brake, right foot blipping throttle. hours of buggy fun! ;D If you've never tried left-foot braking, find somewhere quiet to have a go. I guarantee the first time you try it, you'll be able to read your own front number-plate! ;D
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Apr 11, 2007 22:08:01 GMT
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helps to balance race cars through corners as well if you can keep power on while braking (you can alter the brake/power balance while moving and it also helps prevent wheel lock)
speeds up the whole process as well if you are not lifting feet from pedals.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Apr 11, 2007 22:10:35 GMT
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Yup I do it all the time as well, just because it makes the whole experience much smoother and progressive, feels faster too. Useful at the moment as well because my engine has a knack of stalling sometimes when coming down the revs hard at the moment. Flows nicely though, don't double declutch though, there's really little benifit doing it on modern boxes. Do left foot brake a bit now and then too, trail braking through corners to keep things in the right place but I try not to do it on the roads as it's a bit of an unsafe habit, if you were to get it wrong Try learning to drive the box without the clutch as well, an engaging and good experience - especially if your clutch cable or hydraulics fail en route somewhere - it is possible to drive the car (if appropriate and the starter can handle it) totally without. (Although you do have to drive it off on the starter from junctions ;D)
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Last Edit: Apr 11, 2007 22:15:14 GMT by Lewis
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tofufi
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Apr 11, 2007 22:20:06 GMT
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If you drive a car that likes to stall all the time you probably do something simlar when pulling up to stop at a junction or something. I do that practically every journey in the winter 6 months, or when it rains. My size 13s make light work of pressing the accelerator and brake at the same time though ;D I'll have something new to try next time I go for a drive now
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Apr 11, 2007 22:22:56 GMT
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I do it for the reasons Slater mentioned- The bloomin' thing will stall if I don't!
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I do it because it's fun. And all the gearboxy stuff, too...
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I do it just because I do. Hahah, I think a few years back I gave it a shot to try it out, been doing it since.
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Skyline: 1963 - 1973 - 1983 Sunny: 1982 450SLC: 1973 Navara: 1992 Gloria: 1992
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nope. neutral, left foot on brake, right foot blipping throttle. hours of buggy fun! ;D If you've never tried left-foot braking, find somewhere quiet to have a go. I guarantee the first time you try it, you'll be able to read your own front number-plate! ;D First time I thought it'd be a good idea was on the Eccleshall Road in Sheffield, busy rush hour traffic, in a beetle that wouldn't idle. Thought someone had hit me from behind, got such a kick in the back! Really weird that it feels so different....
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Apr 12, 2007 18:40:01 GMT
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exactly my problem. beetle (at least a beetle chassis and engine anyway) wont idle. first time i tried it there was definately some "unsmoothness". can do it quite well now
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