bl1300
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Jan 18, 2014 13:49:19 GMT
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Ive taken the plunge and booked an intensive course and test so that I can drag home more rusty cars with a bit more ease. It also should allow me to take the retro's which I find hard to drive now due to my disabilities to shows over longer distances. So who has done this test? What's it like? and How did you find it. If anyone has some tips for towing in general and passing the test and not wasting 500 quid id appreciate it. As penance.
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Jan 18, 2014 14:30:24 GMT
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I think if you have your lic before 1997 you are covered,but a bigger problem is the MGW plate on the towing (prime mover) vehicle ie combined weight of every thing.Vosa up to recent time's looked mostly at Irish or Euro lorries M6/M1/M25 ect.This is changing, this last while I see them pulling car/van,s towing,Junt 20 M62 flatout pulling this kinda stuff along with Stafford/Sandbach the same and they wouldn't be doing it unless they are catching people as it is a self funding operation,they cover every thing, weights/mgw/insurance/lic ect. Sometimes it's better to pay someone else cheaper in the long run?
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Fulla the pipe Hi!
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MonzaPhil
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Jan 18, 2014 14:33:52 GMT
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Yo, MonzaNikki has done the test, the driving bit is common sense and attention to what's going on, best tip I can give is practice reversing. Don't assume the course they set in the test is going to be a specific size, just practice being able to back the trailer into any space anywhere. Make sure your hitching up is by the book and good luck. Sometimes it just depends on the examiner not being a douchebag.
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bl1300
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Jan 18, 2014 15:49:05 GMT
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Well I have a choice of tow vehicles. Mitsubishi L200 with train weight of 2800kg it weighed 1900kg on the local scrappys weigh bridge the other day so that gives me 900kg for trailer and load. which isn't a huge ammount really.
The other vehicle I have is a 1997 Land Rover Discovery which I believe has train weight of 3500kg that should be ok for towing anything I'm likely to tow.
I'm doing the trailer test not just for moving retros though as I'm now on a small holding I need to be able to move farm trailers carrying, livestock and bedding/feed and I'm also intending to expand my business model to include short distance recovery for which I need B+E.
I also discovered something called farming connect which according to their website if you live on a farm/smallholding and have a small holders number and a turn over below a certain freshold you may be entitled to 80% funding towards B+E training.
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MonzaPhil
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Jan 18, 2014 16:09:29 GMT
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I use a 1994 Discovery, always towed anything I've needed it to.
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bl1300
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Jan 18, 2014 16:40:49 GMT
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I use a 1994 Discovery, always towed anything I've needed it to. Sent from my HTC Desire C using a banana Should be pretty much the same as mine then both would be series 1 discos 300TDI? That's my one only had it a month or so I plan to modify it a bit but need build some trust in it first. One thing I will say though is after having those spots I want them on every car I own.
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Jan 18, 2014 17:00:38 GMT
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Well I have a choice of tow vehicles. Mitsubishi L200 with train weight of 2800kg it weighed 1900kg on the local scrappys weigh bridge the other day so that gives me 900kg for trailer and load. which isn't a huge ammount really. The other vehicle I have is a 1997 Land Rover Discovery which I believe has train weight of 3500kg that should be ok for towing anything I'm likely to tow. I'm doing the trailer test not just for moving retros though as I'm now on a small holding I need to be able to move farm trailers carrying, livestock and bedding/feed and I'm also intending to expand my business model to include short distance recovery for which I need B+E. I also discovered something called farming connect which according to their website if you live on a farm/smallholding and have a small holders number and a turn over below a certain freshold you may be entitled to 80% funding towards B+E training. Just to let you know, you`re getting a little confused over the weights. For example, the Disco has a towing capacity of 3500kg, not a MAM or train weight of 3500kg. Same with the L200.......2800kg towing capacity. This gives you a lot more to play with. A typical 3500kg trailer will weigh in at less than 1000kg, so you can carry most vehicles if towing with a Disco, or any other 4x4 rated at 3500kg capacity. Best way to check is just look at the plates on the cars. These will give you all the info you need. Regarding vehicles, IMO the longer and heavier the tow vehicle, the better. L200`s and the like are a bit harsh when towing heavy loads due to the leaf springs. 200 TDi & 300TSi Discos will tow most things, but are quite narrow and do tend to get dragged around a bit with heavy loads. Also, they`re quite a light 4x4, around 1700kg IIRC, which doesn`t help either. They`ll do the job though, it just takes a bit of getting used to. My preference would be a LWB Trooper, landcruiser, Range Rover etc. Don`t discount a van either. The best tow vehicle I have ever used is a Fiat Ducato Maxi LWB with the 3.0 160bhp diesel engine. This didn`t even know it was towing 3500kg, and is one of the only vans legally able to tow that amount (or is it 3000kg?......memory failing me now!) I`ve done the trailer test also. They`re pretty hot on things like how you hitch up the trailer and if you know you theory, like fastening down loads etc. Everything else is straight forward really, especially if you can already tow and reverse a trailer. In fairness, the hardest thing I found was actually passing a driving test again, and driving how the instructors want. Sounds daft, but if you`ve been driving for a while, it`s easy to pick up bad habits. I hope this helps, and good luck.
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Jan 18, 2014 17:12:43 GMT
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Just be careful of "train weight", If over a certain amount (towing vehicle, trailer and "load") and you are towing for hire or reward then tacho and other legal requirements, like drivers hours, needed. This was one of the things the driver of the Land Rover that caused the Selby train crash was charged with. He had a Renault estate on a trailer and total weight was over the limit. Paul h
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Jan 18, 2014 17:23:38 GMT
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Just be careful of "train weight", If over a certain amount (towing vehicle, trailer and "load") and you are towing for hire or reward then tacho and other legal requirements, like drivers hours, needed. This was one of the things the driver of the Land Rover that caused the Selby train crash was charged with. He had a Renault estate on a trailer and total weight was over the limit. Paul h A tacho is only needed if towing for hire/reward or as part of your business (although this has been disputed in some cases) The laws with regards to train weight are the same no matter what the reason is why you`re towing. If you`re over the train weight, VOSA will be all over you, and they`ve been cracking down on this in the last couople of years too. I could be wrong, but I thought Selby was caused by the Land Rover driver falling asleep at the wheel, and comig off the M62. He then couldn`t get the car off the tracks, just as a train was coming. I`m pretty sure he wasn`t towing.
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Last Edit: Jan 18, 2014 17:26:39 GMT by compass
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Jan 18, 2014 20:58:21 GMT
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Just be careful of "train weight", If over a certain amount (towing vehicle, trailer and "load") and you are towing for hire or reward then tacho and other legal requirements, like drivers hours, needed. This was one of the things the driver of the Land Rover that caused the Selby train crash was charged with. He had a Renault estate on a trailer and total weight was over the limit. Paul h A tacho is only needed if towing for hire/reward or as part of your business (although this has been disputed in some cases) The laws with regards to train weight are the same no matter what the reason is why you`re towing. If you`re over the train weight, VOSA will be all over you, and they`ve been cracking down on this in the last couople of years too. I could be wrong, but I thought Selby was caused by the Land Rover driver falling asleep at the wheel, and comig off the M62. He then couldn`t get the car off the tracks, just as a train was coming. I`m pretty sure he wasn`t towing. As I said - tacho needed if you are towing for hire or reward. The Selby crash was caused by driver falling asleep but he was also guilty of other motoring "infringments" according to the press at the time. He was towing a Renault Savanna on a plant trailer with a 110 Defender station wagon - Paul H
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Jan 19, 2014 13:33:54 GMT
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If anyone has some tips for towing in general and passing the test and not wasting 500 quid id appreciate it. Yep biggest tip, listen to what your instructor says,forget what you see/hear on the net,down the pub ect. He is the person who knows what the examiner wants you to do.
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Jan 19, 2014 13:41:49 GMT
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In fairness, the hardest thing I found was actually passing a driving test again, and driving how the instructors want. Sounds daft, but if you`ve been driving for a while, it`s easy to pick up bad habits. ^^^ this x1000 ...... i didn't realise how many bad habits i'd picked up till i did my class 2 hgv in 2010 ( been driving for 20yrs previous, so lots of little things)
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Jan 19, 2014 13:54:02 GMT
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Just be careful of "train weight", If over a certain amount (towing vehicle, trailer and "load") and you are towing for hire or reward then tacho and other legal requirements, like drivers hours, needed. This was one of the things the driver of the Land Rover that caused the Selby train crash was charged with. He had a Renault estate on a trailer and total weight was over the limit. Paul h Also be aware that it is the gross plated weight that is taken into account on the trailer,not the 'how much it actually weighs at the time' For example, if i put our works 3.5 ton plant trailer on my Pug 406,it would be classed as 'over weight' for the tow vehicle.Even if i was just moving the trailer (empty) to another site. As has been previously mentioned, VOSA are now the 'preferred' agency for dealing with this type of situation. They are self funded,and are the only enforcement agency that carries chip and pin machines for on the spot fines. They are no longer just interested in the 'haulage' industry,they can and do stop anyone that catches their attention.
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MonzaPhil
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Jan 20, 2014 22:51:51 GMT
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If anyone has some tips for towing in general and passing the test and not wasting 500 quid id appreciate it. Yep biggest tip, listen to what your instructor says,forget what you see/hear on the net,down the pub ect. He is the person who knows what the examiner wants you to do. Our instructor was a douchebag. Beware of douchebaggery. Sent from my HTC Desire C using proboards
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Dum dee dum dum.
I passed on the first attempt today.
The training course was well worth the money and I must say my instructor was fantastic, very friendly and patient. It stands to show that both of us training today passed with only a few minors. The company was Cambrian Driver Training and they do Lorry and Bus tests as well as trailer tests.
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Dum dee dum dum. I passed on the first attempt today. The training course was well worth the money and I must say my instructor was fantastic, very friendly and patient. It stands to show that both of us training today passed with only a few minors. The company was Cambrian Driver Training and they do Lorry and Bus tests as well as trailer tests. Congratulations, now tell us what the test entailed! Did they do the HGV test question of what was the car/ 2 cars behind in your left/ right hand mirror have heard about that one a couple of times from Class whatever drivers, personally unless they were driving like a danger or likely to get crushed i wouldn't have a clue....
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Nah is was basic just a car driving test with a trailer behind. Obviously you have to remember the national speed limit becomes 50 and make allowances for the trailer all the time. There is only one reversing manouvre required and it is quite straight forward even if you do have to be precise, the rear of the trailer must sit within a 3 inch wide yellow painted strip at the end of the manouvre. You have to hitch and unhitch the trailer in front of the examiner at the end of your test.
Actual time driving on the road is 50mins including a 10min independent driving section where you are required to follow the signs to somewhere with no further input from the examiner.
It is supposed to be based on the lorry driving test though.
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Well done Paul.
Just be careful with your weights as 'optimusprime' correctly states about the gross weights (a 3500kg trailer is classed as 3500kg even when unloaded) this catches outa lot f people.
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There is only one reversing manouvre required and it is quite straight forward even if you do have to be precise, the rear of the trailer must sit within a 3 inch wide yellow painted strip at the end of the manouvre. That is being precise (especially if you have the sort of vehicle/ trailer combination where you can't see the trailer unless its turning or got a load on!), what sort of trailer do you use for the test or is it down to you?
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bl1300
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got to be a box trailer of more than 750kg. This was the combination I was taught and took the test in, the trailer was loaded with 1000kg of sand so you could feel it behind the truck. The track of the trailer was only just wider than the trucks so when it was straight behind you it was barely visible in the mirrors. Oh and the reverse manouvre you have to do is this The manouvering area was reduced in size last March and they say it makes the test no harder, I have to disagree as there is now no space to catch the trailer if you start to go wrong, as I found out to my cost a few times while practicing. The new manoeuvring area measures 66m x 11m, compared to the previous 92m x 18m.
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Last Edit: Mar 4, 2014 8:11:45 GMT by bl1300
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