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Hey all, Not sure if this is the right section, so feel free to move if need be So, recently I've been losing air from one of my wheels. The other day in the wet I noticed bubbling near the tyre valve. Assuming it was a split valve, I didn't think much of it. Yesterday driving home from work, the front felt spongey so I pulled over to pump the tyre up. I could hear a hissing so I started chipping the paint away from the wheel to find the source. I discovered a crack, and I'm not sure if it's safely repairable. Here's the pics, I know they suck, but I was losing light.. What are your opinions, repairable? Or would you advise me sourcing a new steel and having it banded? These are fitted to my Micra. Thanks in advance!
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smurf
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If its steel, then i don't see the harm in having it properly welded and dressed
But feel free to correct me if i'm wrong
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Oct 16, 2013 10:16:24 GMT
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I would just weld it up If it was an alloy I'd scrap it though
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1966 MK1 Cortina 1971 Hillman Super Imp 1985 Volvo 360 GLEi 1986 Volvo 340 1.7 1990 Mercedes 190e 2.0 1993 Peugeot 205 STDT
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Oct 16, 2013 10:26:46 GMT
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Thanks for the replies.
I'm not a good welder. In fact, I've never touched one!
I'd like to send it off for thr work to be done properly, any suggestions?
I've been in contact with AlonzeCustom
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Oct 16, 2013 11:19:58 GMT
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I would clean up the rest of the wheel, in case there is more damage.
is it cracked on a weld?
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craig1010cc
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Oct 16, 2013 11:28:06 GMT
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I would clean up the rest of the wheel, in case there is more damage. is it cracked on a weld? I'd be really surprised if there was a weld there, I think its more likely a split from some impact at some point in its past (have you hit a kurb or pot hole recently?). and if that is teh case you'd need to find the extent of the crack, drill at least either end of it (plus any fractures off of the main split) and then reweld it. But compaired to the cost of sourcing and banding a new wheel (plus the peice of mind) i'd get a new one built. But also check over the other wheels too to make sure that the aren't hiding anything
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Oct 16, 2013 12:18:24 GMT
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Thanks. I'm on a hunt for a 4.5J Polo steel as we speak I don't trust this wheel totally. These were in a crash from what I was told and the cracked one was quite buckled so I'm not too surprised.
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Oct 16, 2013 12:41:23 GMT
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Best thing to do in that case then mate. Just go to your local scrapyard, there's always 6ns in there
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1966 MK1 Cortina 1971 Hillman Super Imp 1985 Volvo 360 GLEi 1986 Volvo 340 1.7 1990 Mercedes 190e 2.0 1993 Peugeot 205 STDT
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Oct 16, 2013 13:44:00 GMT
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Bought a new steel Thanks guys!
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Oct 16, 2013 15:34:09 GMT
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Banded steels in MY opinion should be BANNED and you ask why Well this thread is the proof of the pudding.
Dave
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Oct 16, 2013 15:39:37 GMT
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Dave, you do realise that steel wheels are constructed by welding bits of steel together?
That this looks to be totally unrelated to the fact that they were banded but due to an accident, so there's the wind out of your sails.
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Copey
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Oct 16, 2013 15:49:36 GMT
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Banded steels in MY opinion should be BANNED and you ask why Well this thread is the proof of the pudding. Dave when done properly they are fine, i hit a chunk of concrete that was in the road at 40mph with mine, all it did was bend the lips slightly! welds held up perfectly!
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Last Edit: Oct 16, 2013 15:50:13 GMT by Copey
1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Oct 16, 2013 16:07:35 GMT
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Banded steels in MY opinion should be BANNED and you ask why Well this thread is the proof of the pudding. Dave As above, steel wheels are SPOT welded together, banding, in my opinion is perfectly fine, properly done welds are stronger than the surrounding metal
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grumpy
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Oct 16, 2013 17:00:15 GMT
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IMO , i wouldnt trust banded wheels unless i knew they had been properly constructed to procedures and tested . I think to many people think that welding is easy peasy because they can use a mig , but don't know the proper gumf about whats right and wrong .
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Oct 16, 2013 17:21:26 GMT
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Banded steels in MY opinion should be BANNED and you ask why Well this thread is the proof of the pudding. Dave Dave's notorious pessimism (it's HIS opinion, by the way) is perhaps over the top, but I'm all for being careful with banded steels. I suspect that he's old enough to remember (as am I - nearly!) horror stories from the old days of home-banded wheels that left a lot to be desired. If you're not sure they're done to high standards, leave them alone.
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smurf
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Oct 16, 2013 18:23:33 GMT
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IMO , i wouldnt trust banded wheels unless i knew they had been properly constructed to procedures and tested . I think to many people think that welding is easy peasy because they can use a mig , but don't know the proper gumf about whats right and wrong . Agreed, put myself through a few welding courses to get into fabrication as a career change, theres so much i didnt know and i've been mig and arc welding on and off for years As another poster stated, a weld done correctly is as strong, normally stronger than the parent metal It can go on and on
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Laser cutting and cnc punching (up to 3mm stainless and ali, up to 6mm mild steel)
Mail me a dxf file and i'll get you a price Metal folding and custom fabrication service also available
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Oct 16, 2013 21:13:57 GMT
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Done correctly there's nothing wrong with them. However I wouldn't want to buy an unknown set. There has been the photo on here in the past of the banded steel from the F1 stock car that had hit something harder and more stationary than normal - might have been one of JamesP's ones it had a great big donk in it, nearly bent in 2, the welds all looked fine.....
The thought of someone making them up with a Aldi special welder is what would frighten me....
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craig1010cc
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the failure on this wheels doesn't appear to have had anything to do with it being banded, it has a stress crack as a result of being straightend out from a big buckle that resulted from being in an accident. Granted, if it had been a stock steel it wouldn't have been repaired and just binned and another one bought.
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grumpy
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Oct 17, 2013 15:50:53 GMT
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the failure on this wheels doesn't appear to have had anything to do with it being banded, it has a stress crack as a result of being straightend out from a big buckle that resulted from being in an accident. Granted, if it had been a stock steel it wouldn't have been repaired and just binned and another one bought. How does it not have anything to do with it being banded , when it has failed at the point where it was cut up and welded back together. This is exactely what i mean about people not knowing stuff , its basic knowledge that the weakest bit of a welded area it adjacet to the weld .
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craig1010cc
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Oct 17, 2013 17:23:45 GMT
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the failure on this wheels doesn't appear to have had anything to do with it being banded, it has a stress crack as a result of being straightend out from a big buckle that resulted from being in an accident. Granted, if it had been a stock steel it wouldn't have been repaired and just binned and another one bought. How does it not have anything to do with it being banded , when it has failed at the point where it was cut up and welded back together. This is exactely what i mean about people not knowing stuff , its basic knowledge that the weakest bit of a welded area it adjacet to the weld . back up there grumpy, i'm actually a qualified design engineer in castings. You are correct that it is a crack on the weld, I mis-inturprited the picture (to me it looked like the curve under the valve rather than above).
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