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Mar 21, 2007 15:15:50 GMT
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business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/budget_2007/article1533942.ece"In his Budget last year the Chancellor created a new top band G of vehicle excise duty for new cars with emissions over 225 grams per kilometre. At £210 a year this was £20 higher than the next band. Those in the band — labelled the Chelsea Tractors — include BMW X5s and Range Rovers. At present there are 225,000 of them. Mr Brown made plain that the new band was not retrospective and did not apply to 4x4s and other heavily emitting cars bought before last April. They were put into Band F and will remain there. " Looks like we are safe for now, clearly targeting those who can afford tax rises and making their new cars depreciate some more. wonder if more modest diesel new 4x4's are affected, more importantly, how long till we get clobbered?! 2nd petrol hike has been rewarded by less of our hard earned swiped...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Mar 21, 2007 15:36:35 GMT
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"Gordon Brown is planning to double road tax for the country’s most polluting gas-guzzling cars in Wednesday’s Budget, The Times understands."
Or translated as: "We heard it in the pub so we ran it."
I was worried when I heard about this as I have one I need to tax and its free now and I freaked thinking the £450 road tax would possibly be retrospective - but I had not brought the docs to get my tax disc with me...
This is not a tax on 4x4s.
This is a tax on cars which emit more than 225 whatsits of thingy per doodad.
When people get all high and mighty about ths they forget that a large numbert of SUVs, 4x4s, whatever do not produce 225g/KM. And that a lot of ordinary saloon cars do.
IIRC the Porsche Cayenne will escape this tax, but the V6 Mondeo will not....
For some reason its OK to hate 4x4 drivers.
I bet the bulk of the SUVs are company cars for directors or whatever who won't even notice. However you'll think twice about buying a Mondeo V6 used...
I can see this killing the larger engined regular price car merket.
Assuming it is not applied retrospectively it will only effect cars made since 2006.
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Last Edit: Mar 21, 2007 15:37:26 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 21, 2007 15:46:06 GMT
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Saving the planet through taxation, Gordy Brown should be knighted TBH.
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Mar 21, 2007 15:51:57 GMT
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Seems the rich and company car types will gobble this up without a worry really, i'd imagine. However if I did have loadsa money and an X5, or powerful new car in the bracket, i'd be using it more not less, if i'm paying more. it doesnt affect me directly right now but I still wanna see the big picture worked on propperly not just taxing British motorists. the race is on to sort that V8, while i can actually use it....
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Mar 21, 2007 15:53:23 GMT
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Is it definitely in there? that report is from BEFORE the budget speach or even the cabinet briefing. When I had the radio on earlier it was too early the commons statement statement hadn't started.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 21, 2007 15:56:50 GMT
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Implications of this: In ten years time (or even 5 years) these cars will be worthless due to the monster road tax. Imagine now your petrol-headed Prole who currently rattles around in a Range Rover because it can tow a big trailer for moving auto-tat. Now remove the 'gas guzzler' from that equasion... what are the options? Drive the tat on the road, regardless of condition? Put a 700kg trailer + car behind a Fiesta 1.1? Could get interesting. Just thinking long-term....
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Mar 21, 2007 15:57:19 GMT
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Mar 21, 2007 16:01:25 GMT
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Bu88ers, shopping for MR2 tax next month, its 1587cc or similar! Doh! no change really, its what I guessed it was.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Mar 21, 2007 16:02:26 GMT
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an extra £100 a year isn't going ot bother anyone considering running a 15 MPG SUV.
What it will do is kill off sales of stuff like the V6 Mondeo which IIRC sits unhappily in band G these days, as prole motorists will just go for the 2.0 instead.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 21, 2007 16:05:23 GMT
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Implications of this: In ten years time (or even 5 years) these cars will be worthless due to the monster road tax. Imagine now your petrol-headed Prole who currently rattles around in a Range Rover because it can tow a big trailer for moving auto-tat. Now remove the 'gas guzzler' from that equasion... what are the options? Drive the tat on the road, regardless of condition? Put a 700kg trailer + car behind a Fiesta 1.1? Could get interesting. Just thinking long-term.... Yeah when they are old, will there be more ringing, ID swapping etc, certainly fluctuations in price. will certainly preserve a new set of cheaper-tax-classic cars'
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Mar 21, 2007 18:02:47 GMT
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its pointless, taxing people an extra 200 quid a year who can afford a car worth over 20 grand isnt gonna save the planet at all, what they SHOULD do is restrict the amount of new cars you can buy to stop em buying a new one every year or so, making a car produces way more Co2 than most purchasers will make in the time they keep it.
Toyota prius is a prime example a "green" car that is about 4 times more polluting to make than a normal car and yet those who buy them will probably buy a new one every 2 or 3 years!
cant see how you'd restrict car purchases, people would just buy them abroad or regsiter em to family members, but increasing tax isnt the answer, maybe tax breaks for buying second hand cars over ten years old or something, encourage people to keep old cars running longer rather than building more new ones?
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Mar 21, 2007 19:38:22 GMT
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I find the whole scheme of tax based on Co2 emissions dodgy, to be honest... I just don't get the global warning from human Co2 thing viable scientifically, it goes against everything I learnt at school and uni and smacks of policy driven pseudo cobblers to me. I mean, Co2 is constantly recycled on a global scale (equilibrium), makes up less than 1/20th of 1% of the atmosphere. of this, we as a species contribute about 1-2% of that (subject to opinion, its hard to measure). The planet IS warming up (at the moment) but its not us and there is bot all we can do about it (in terms of Co2, tyre fires are still out, lol), and all this Co2 rubbish from the so called experts and governments makes my curse word boil.
Sorry, rant over.;D
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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loon
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Mar 21, 2007 19:51:49 GMT
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Ive Had my boss moaning about me today 'coz he has to pay more tax on his Range Rover and my car is more pollutive so i said that i would pay him 50 % of what i pay to help him out ,which he agreed to . then i told him my car is tax free ;D that really p155t him off ;D >
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what the fcuk have you done lately
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Mar 21, 2007 20:59:01 GMT
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^ Talking of which ... ...when are they going to 'move the ball along' for tax exemption on cars, it's about time they did; say pre '82 (25+ year old like when originally set up).
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Mar 21, 2007 21:21:19 GMT
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^ Talking of which ... ...when are they going to 'move the ball along' for tax exemption on cars, it's about time they did; say pre '82 (25+ year old like when originally set up). Never. Sadly.
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Mar 21, 2007 22:11:29 GMT
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^ Talking of which ... ...when are they going to 'move the ball along' for tax exemption on cars, it's about time they did; say pre '82 (25+ year old like when originally set up). Never. Sadly. as it happens thats part of the tories manifesto, to reintroduce the rolling tax exemption if they get back in.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Nick
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Mar 21, 2007 22:17:01 GMT
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yeh but sod all chance of that, with david cameron fannying around on a bicycle wearing trousers made from reconstituted ostrich snot. i hate all these trendy type politicians.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Mar 21, 2007 22:34:21 GMT
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Ive Had my boss moaning about me today 'coz he has to pay more tax on his Range Rover and my car is more pollutive so I said that I would pay him 50 % of what I pay to help him out ,which he agreed to . then I told him my car is tax free ;D that really p155t him off ;D > Brilliant wind up! --- I just want someone real-world, brainy, fair and uncorrupted to run the country. wonder if that will ever happen either way i'll be voting.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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bstardchild
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I just want someone real-world, brainy, fair and uncorrupted to run the country. wonder if that will ever happen either way i'll be voting. Should I run for PM then ;D Nah need more than 1 out of four really!!!
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yeah i'll vote so long as you take Paul H on too and a few others
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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