CanMan
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Sept 10, 2013 19:51:05 GMT
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Hi all don't think I've posted for ages but have regained some enthusiasm for my daily and wondering if someone could help. Shes literally a sump scraper gearbox basher lol. Currently a 2.0 auto. Engine has little over 100,000 and runs loverly, parked up for 3 weeks and started without even turning over yesterday i want to go to a manual box and would really like an lsd as mine needs replacing/rebuilding anyways would be rude not to lol. Anyways i want to get some more power out of it preferably bottom end. Have tried doing a bit of research and everyone throws out other merc transplants but haven't found much info on whats involved.I have also thought that i could do something with my current engine, runs nice and has low miles so might be better off, once again though only came up with one site selling cams and they were only for the 2.3+. If anyone can help would be appreciated, am on the hunt for bits ^ etc or even a donor car if anyone has anything pm me Cheers
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Sept 10, 2013 21:44:01 GMT
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With a 2.0 a re-power is always an option What type of injection on this one? Is it the CIS? If so do some research on this first, as it may change your mind about a motor swap (I have no idea, being mass based could be really good for a modified install)
Power is basically just getting more air and if the injection is able to keep up a nice little turbo will be a reasonably easy fit, smaller turbo's are really cheap and will spool u p nicely for you. The other thing would be a smaller supercharger, like they fitted to the C180k's. Either way we a talking about adding 50%
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Contrary to popular opinion, I do have mechanical sympathy, I always feel sorry for the cars I drive.
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CanMan
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Sept 10, 2013 22:41:58 GMT
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Just looked in the haynes manual and it says CIS-E means nothing to me lol. Not big on charging my stuff if nothing else from seeing a few mates results cheaper turbo builds tend to go bang and i don't realky have the knowledge or money to dosumin like that. I was more along the lines of high lift cam, decent exhaust and intake maybe go to bike carbs? Also was wondering if any other brakes fit from bigger models perhaps just too keep up with plans
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Sept 10, 2013 22:44:18 GMT
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If you upgrade brakes and lighten the car it's not extra power but you will feel the difference in other ways.
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CanMan
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Sept 10, 2013 23:08:16 GMT
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Brakes are something i wanna change too not sure for what though. Cossy bits would be nice but hard to come by. Not really any weight to lose other than the interior, and ain't going to spoil it.
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Sept 10, 2013 23:21:05 GMT
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I've done a lot of these, forget about any of the 4 cylinder engines, they don't make good power and cost a fortune to tune. You want the 6yl 3.0 or 3.2 from the w124. Those are a bolt in swap if you have the right donor car, and the wiring is not a problem. Expect to get 190 - 230hp in standard form depending on which engine you go for. Bigger brakes again come from the w124, the 4 pot calipers from an e320 bolt straight on along with it's vented discs. Manual gearboxes are easy to get hold of, but you must use the correct flywheel for the engine you choose otherwise it wont run properly. (flywheel sensor driven ignition). This is a 3.2 in the last 190e I converted... That car flew, easily faster than the cosworth 190.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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CanMan
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Sept 10, 2013 23:28:09 GMT
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Sound thanks for your advice mate that look neat conversion from what you've said id best to get a whole car an just transplant most of its bits. Do the gear linkage etc fit from the newer merc? And what ones bet to get? Thanks
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Sept 10, 2013 23:39:16 GMT
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Thanks. It's best to get a complete donor car so you have the brakes and loom to match the engine. The gear linkage is interchangable, infact if you stay auto yours will be fine.
w124 300e has a 3.0 engine that puts out 190hp, that engine can run on 3 wires and is a very easy swap into a 190.
w124 300e-24 has a 3.0 with 231hp but not alot of tourqe, these are getting rare now but can rev like you wont believe.
w124 e320 has the 3.2 engine that gives 217hp and a wall of tourqe, the wiring on this is a pain but it's worth it. Also the best route for a daily driver.
There is also the wild card choice, that is a w202 c36 amg. These are auto only but have a 270hp 3.6 lump, can be made to work in a 190e if your good at wiring...
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Last Edit: Sept 10, 2013 23:55:31 GMT by carat 3.6
1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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CanMan
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Sept 11, 2013 6:30:35 GMT
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Perfect thanks bud thats the sort of info i can understand this time of the morning Haha the simplest one is most appealing i think, 2.0 auto to a 3.0 manual should be plenty of gain for me! Is there much involved in this swap? And do uou think the w124 diff and propshaft would fit onto my car? Reason i ask being thta mine whines like a pig atm and i think a bit too much power might just be enough to make it fo bang lol. Thanks
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 11, 2013 13:35:01 GMT
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Thanks. It's best to get a complete donor car so you have the brakes and loom to match the engine. The gear linkage is interchangable, infact if you stay auto yours will be fine. w124 300e has a 3.0 engine that puts out 190hp, that engine can run on 3 wires and is a very easy swap into a 190. w124 300e-24 has a 3.0 with 231hp but not alot of tourqe, these are getting rare now but can rev like you wont believe. w124 e320 has the 3.2 engine that gives 217hp and a wall of tourqe, the wiring on this is a pain but it's worth it. Also the best route for a daily driver. There is also the wild card choice, that is a w202 c36 amg. These are auto only but have a 270hp 3.6 lump, can be made to work in a 190e if your good at wiring... Don't you also need to change the slam panel for a bolt in one from the 2.6? Sure I read that somewhere Currently running a W124 300CE and I am really impressed with the engine. It's done 190k now and still runs like a sewing machine. When you plant the right foot it really picks up fast and goes straight past a ton (private road etc etc), so I can imagine how quick it would be in it's smaller, lighter stablemate W201. That would make a very nice car and still return over 30 mpg
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Last Edit: Sept 11, 2013 13:45:57 GMT by MrSpeedy: for keyboard fail
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CanMan
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Sept 11, 2013 14:10:33 GMT
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Thats what i like to hear of course on private roads responsible like that Haha. I'm assuming we. U say from the 2.6 u mean the cossy one? Without looking i think mines solid so worst case is to cut it and weld on a couple plates to bolt it in. As far as plumbing goes do i use the rad from the 3.0 lump? Cheers
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CanMan
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Sept 11, 2013 16:11:45 GMT
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Oh and was also wondering weather running bike carbs would sinplify things at all aswell as getting a little more out of the engine? I know it would mean making a manifold and running a facet pump but thourt that it might save so much of the injection wiring. As far as electrics go I'm useless but my brother is more than competent to do it so just trying to keep things as simple as possible
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 11, 2013 16:32:58 GMT
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Thats what I like to hear of course on private roads responsible like that Haha. I'm assuming we. U say from the 2.6 u mean the cossy one? Without looking I think mines solid so worst case is to cut it and weld on a couple plates to bolt it in. As far as plumbing goes do I use the rad from the 3.0 lump? Cheers Nah, the 2.6 was a straight six engined version. I believe they had a bolt in slam panel, which was a slightly different shape, to accomodate the obvious extra length. The largest Cosworth engine was the 2.3 inline 4 which was a stroked version of the original engine. Bike carbs would be possible, but If it's only 3 wires to run the standard Bosch injection, then I'd be looking at that
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My Merc 190e... More powerHARDCORE
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Sept 11, 2013 17:05:31 GMT
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I put a 3.2 24v straight 6 in my 190e - started out as a 2.6 12v manual so not that difficult a swop. Removable front panel definitely helped a lot.. I can confirm that it now goes like a rocket Thanks. It's best to get a complete donor car so you have the brakes and loom to match the engine. The gear linkage is interchangable, infact if you stay auto yours will be fine. w124 300e has a 3.0 engine that puts out 190hp, that engine can run on 3 wires and is a very easy swap into a 190. w124 300e-24 has a 3.0 with 231hp but not alot of tourqe, these are getting rare now but can rev like you wont believe. w124 e320 has the 3.2 engine that gives 217hp and a wall of tourqe, the wiring on this is a pain but it's worth it. Also the best route for a daily driver. There is also the wild card choice, that is a w202 c36 amg. These are auto only but have a 270hp 3.6 lump, can be made to work in a 190e if your good at wiring... Mine differs from this excellent list in that I have a w124 e320 3.2 bottom end mated to a 300e-24 cylinder head - a hybrid that as I understand it gives more power & torque than either of the engines did originally.. carat 3.6 Would you happen to know what (easily obtainable) options there are for a non-DMF and clutch dude? Thanks!
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Sept 11, 2013 17:07:55 GMT
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The factory 6cyl 190e's do have a removable slam pannel, but it's not that hard to replicate using a cut section from the w124. The diff's are interchangable once you swap the rear covers over. Bike carbs on these engines wont give you a performance increase, but they do sound horny! If your going for a 3.0 the engine wiring is self contained, so don't let that put you off. Some radiators are interchangeable, others are not. It depends on if the car has air con, ect which size of rad it has. The 300ce is a great car, and can be made to really shift...
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Sept 11, 2013 17:14:36 GMT
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Mine differs from this excellent list in that I have a w124 e320 3.2 bottom end mated to a 300e-24 cylinder head - a hybrid that as I understand it gives more power & torque than either of the engines did originally.. carat 3.6 Would you happen to know what (easily obtainable) options there are for a non-DMF and clutch dude? Thanks! Sure, you need the solid flywheel and clutch from a early 190e 2.6 or w124 300e. They can still be bought new for about £300 if you cant find one secondhand. My engine is similar to yours, I've got a 300e-24 head bolted to a 3.6 bottom end, with the above solid flywheel and clutch, driving a dogleg getrag 5 speed gearbox and locking diff. 265hp, but still in a w124 though.
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Last Edit: Sept 11, 2013 17:18:41 GMT by carat 3.6
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CanMan
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Sept 11, 2013 18:05:47 GMT
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Yeah wont be hard to make but would make the job a lot easier. What we thinking a 3.0 would go like in mine? And as for the carbs, would have the engine out anyways so acsess is decent. Do i put the 2.0 diff back plate on the 3.0 one and use my exsiting driveshafts and prop?
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Sept 11, 2013 19:04:25 GMT
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Yeah wont be hard to make but would make the job a lot easier. What we thinking a 3.0 would go like in mine? And as for the carbs, would have the engine out anyways so acsess is decent. Do I put the 2.0 diff back plate on the 3.0 one and use my exsiting driveshafts and prop? Yep, just swap the rear cover from your 2.0 diff onto the 3.0, it should then bolt in using the original shafts. With the 3.0 in your car will feel like it has a third more power without doing anything else. Bike carbs need alot of work on a 6cyl, the oil filter and water pump is in the way. Alot of work for no gain I'm afraid. You could always leave the 2.0 diff in your car for silly fast acceleration.
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CanMan
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Sept 11, 2013 19:32:00 GMT
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Sound this is getting easier and easier Haha. I would do but it wouldnt last long i don't think. Already needs rebuilding. 3.0 drifty poos mights push it over the edge lol.
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CanMan
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Sept 11, 2013 19:32:59 GMT
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Ahh that's a shame. Suppose i could always get the conversion done and all the tidying up bits done n leave them to another day lol
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