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Jul 15, 2013 13:28:10 GMT
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chaps i'm mulling over the idea of turbocharging my ford twincam efi motor, its a scorpio I4 twincam 8 valve, I don't want to go down the route of engine swaps etc etc as mine is a 43,000mile motor so its run in nicely & go's well but i'm wanting a bit of motorway grunt & a bit of a punch in the upper rpm range
I remember reading an article in a magazine that was a how to but I cant find the magazine :/
the nuts n bolts bit is easy enough I'm a bit clueless on the ecu part, if I can use the stock ecu with low boost or have to get a programmable type?
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Jul 15, 2013 15:09:19 GMT
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No idea how the ford ecu works but on mx5 you can just up the fuel line pressure and retard the ignition with magic boxes as boost builds, not to technical and not to clever as a solution either !
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1989 Pug 205 GL (dea, in a ditch)
1989 Pug 205 GLD (many many miles)
1982 Austin Mini (much rust, in pieces)
1995 MX5 (much still fun)
1990 205 Style (the new daily)
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Jul 15, 2013 18:13:17 GMT
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No idea how the ford ecu works but on mx5 you can just up the fuel line pressure and retard the ignition with magic boxes as boost builds, not to technical and not to clever as a solution either ! You can but its a bit of a bodge! An after market ecu would be a better way, along with uprated injectors (probably).
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bortaf
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Jul 15, 2013 19:00:52 GMT
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Turbo technics did a conversion for the sierra twink, i believe they used an extra ECU to sort the ign ? might be worth copying an already sucessfull turbo conversion ?
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Jul 15, 2013 19:41:06 GMT
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I know turbo technics did a conversion & it wasn't such a sophisticated bit of kit & there is a chap reproducing the electronics but he is after the same sort of money a programmable ecu would cost that chaps shot himself in that respect really
programmable ecu, its an option but fairly pricey, I am hoping to do a proper BUDGET setup if possible, I can get injectors to give more fuel, no issues there, turbo/manifold/exhaust can make, turbo i'm thinking a big turbo like holset!
I was thinking about the mx5 with regards a rising rate fuel pressure regulator
for any ford folk the ignition setup is EECIV
admitadly I eed to do some more investigation but a start is a start
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rodney
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Jul 15, 2013 20:38:37 GMT
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get a nodiz or mega squirt ecu etc , people mod the rs2k manifold (i4)for the zetec engines so maybe the cvh turbo manifolds with bolt up ok with adapter plates,
or maybe try the rs2k head and cams,.
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Last Edit: Jul 15, 2013 20:40:55 GMT by rodney
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Copey
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Jul 15, 2013 20:44:37 GMT
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the turbotechnics conversion made 165bhp at 6.5psi with standard exhaust, or 175bhp with their own freer flowing system, tbh a t25 turbo would be more than up to the job for upto 200-220ish, though you would need to do a lot more than just bolt a turbo on
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Copey
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Jul 15, 2013 20:46:54 GMT
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also they make a good amount of torque, around the 180-190ftIb mark
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Jul 17, 2013 13:00:38 GMT
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how difficult is it to setup a megasquirt setup, If I go that route I would more than likely get a built ecu & wiring harness pre labled, but I wouldn't want my motor off the road too long to be honest
I've been looking at the extraefi website about his megasquirt products, price wise it could be viable if can clue myself up on ecu's/programming a bit better, i'm an oldschool carb & dizzy kinda guy really but its about time I moved on a bit lol
plus it would make adding a turbo a lot easier to my motor....
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Jul 18, 2013 15:42:22 GMT
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Its possible to use the saab trionic engine management as a retro fit, quite a few volvo's have been converted to this. Mapping is easily sorted via T5 suite - plenty of info on the net for this. Only thing you may have issues with is differences in sensors but I guess this could be overcome using the saab sensors with relevant adapters to suit your engine. You should be able to get a complete saab 9000 mot fail for around £200 which would have everything you need including turbo, intercooler and relevant ecu's etc. Oviously this isn't a straightforward operation but I believe it's the most flexible and safest way for a turbo conversion.
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Jul 27, 2013 18:35:13 GMT
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What car is it on? Something like a GReddy eManage blue is cheap and easily mapped. Id certainly recommend larger injectors and some form of afr monitoring gauge as you don't want detonation to destroy your pistons.
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Jul 27, 2013 19:48:36 GMT
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Why not try cossie or cvh /efi ecu and loom? Not many sensors to it plus the whole lot is really easy to get bits for,in fact I just bought a spare cossie 4x4 loom for £60 and know for another for sale for the same amount,there's loads of back up on the t'interweb as per wiring diagrams etc. The system can be remapped if needed as well.
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mikeymk
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Jul 27, 2013 23:53:15 GMT
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Its possible to use the saab trionic engine management as a retro fit, quite a few volvo's have been converted to this. Mapping is easily sorted via T5 suite - plenty of info on the net for this. Only thing you may have issues with is differences in sensors but I guess this could be overcome using the saab sensors with relevant adapters to suit your engine. You should be able to get a complete saab 9000 mot fail for around £200 which would have everything you need including turbo, intercooler and relevant ecu's etc. Oviously this isn't a straightforward operation but I believe it's the most flexible and safest way for a turbo conversion. You'd wanna use the engine as well, of course!
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Jul 28, 2013 10:24:49 GMT
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What car is it on? Something like a GReddy eManage blue is cheap and easily mapped. Id certainly recommend larger injectors and some form of afr monitoring gauge as you don't want detonation to destroy your pistons. Saab trionic system has built in knock detection and increases fuel/reduces boost so when functioning correctly it is very safe. Why not try cossie or cvh /efi ecu and loom? Not many sensors to it plus the whole lot is really easy to get bits for,in fact I just bought a spare cossie 4x4 loom for £60 and know for another for sale for the same amount,there's loads of back up on the t'interweb as per wiring diagrams etc. The system can be remapped if needed as well.Normal efi management has no turbo control or knock detection. You would need separate stand alone units to deal with that side of things.
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Jul 28, 2013 10:26:10 GMT
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Its possible to use the saab trionic engine management as a retro fit, quite a few volvo's have been converted to this. Mapping is easily sorted via T5 suite - plenty of info on the net for this. Only thing you may have issues with is differences in sensors but I guess this could be overcome using the saab sensors with relevant adapters to suit your engine. You should be able to get a complete saab 9000 mot fail for around £200 which would have everything you need including turbo, intercooler and relevant ecu's etc. Oviously this isn't a straightforward operation but I believe it's the most flexible and safest way for a turbo conversion. You'd wanna use the engine as well, of course! Of course! Or I would anyway, but it's not mine
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