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well I thought I had it all sorted. but I have too many cars and I like them all! but some have to go.. the thing is this: I have a bigblock ford v8 that when done should be pushing about 600 ish hp and it WAS going in this:   its all setup for a bbf and had a locker chevy axle etc...  but I am worried about all the work that needs doing for getting it sva'd and I don't want to "just risk it" in case it gets crushed! so maybe I should put it in my 635csi..? with all the engine alloy bits it would be no heavier than std 635 motor, it would look cool. lsd diffs are cheep and would handle well std.. and no sva! but to butcher the std car, which is fine as it is, and is maybe worth more than my next option... this:  which is 99.5% rust free and has a huge empty engine bay! its a car that I never wanted to sell either. but would need a stronger axle but still, would need no sva! I really don't know what to do on this and yet two will not be kept. but which should I keep and big block? insperation and sensible sugestions pls... this is all running round in my head and I cant think clearly please help RR'ers  si |
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Last Edit: Mar 2, 2007 0:00:14 GMT by B-8-D
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bryn
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I take it you don't have a V5 for the drag Firenza? If not stick it in the BMW and put the BMW lump in the Rover... Or just stick it in the Rover. Any which way you want, you're onto a winner. ;D
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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B-8-D
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I take it you don't have a V5 for the drag Firenza? If not stick it in the BMW and put the BMW lump in the Rover... Or just stick it in the Rover. Any which way you want, you're onto a winner. ;D i have got the v5 for the firenza yes but even though it campained ther dragstrip in the early to mid eightys it was never delared as the reg says its a 2300cc! bummer! bmw lump in the rover and big block the 6...... hhmmmmmm!  si |
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bryn
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I really like the idea of the BMW with the big block in it, that could really work... With a nice 200+bhp six lying around to get the Rover mobile. Although the big block in the Rover would be sweet, but then what do you do with the Firenza?
I'm not really helping here am I? Anyway those swaps would only take you a weekend, so what's the problem? ;D
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B-8-D
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I really like the idea of the BMW with the big block in it, that could really work... With a nice 200+bhp six lying around to get the Rover mobile. Although the big block in the Rover would be sweet, but then what do you do with the Firenza? I'm not really helping here am I? Anyway those swaps would only take you a weekend, so what's the problem? ;D a weekend B/F'ed!! id sell the firenza as a dedicated racecar (which it is really) I'm liking the bmw bigblock more and more too, but the rover would need to go then i could always stick a sprinter diesel in it for the missus though then it would be kept?! shat i will have to talk her round ;D trying to find pics of matt black and prostreat 635's.....nothing yet.. si |
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bryn
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Haha, Sprinter diesel... With a Metro carb?  If it solves the problem, and get's them mobile then do it. Anything that means you get some usage out of what you've got...  |
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the bm's a runner right? i like simple - bbf in rover, job done.
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I think you should sell me those wheels off the firenza for a start!Hey, i'm just tryin' to help out...........
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Neil
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That a Tax disc inthe Firenza w/screen??!  |
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a weekend B/F'ed!! id sell the firenza as a dedicated racecar (which it is really) I'm liking the bmw bigblock more and more too, but the rover would need to go then I could always stick a sprinter diesel in it for the missus though then it would be kept?! shat I will have to talk her round ;D trying to find pics of matt black and prostreat 635's.....nothing yet.. si Why not build the Firenza as a dedicated race car with the big block? Then sell it. By which time I'll buy the 635 off you to play with,.. leaving you in a position to do something fun with the Rover |
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why do you think you need an sva on the firenza??
put it together, get it mot'd and insured then tax it, simple.
IT WONT NEED AN SVA, ITS NOT MODIFIED ENOUGH
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IT WONT NEED AN SVA, ITS NOT MODIFIED ENOUGH It might do. And the DVLA are taking interest in engine swaps now. All depends on how arzey your local DVLA office wants to be. Its got the wrong rear axle, engine, trans, modified monocoque and no idea bout the front end. Depending on the take the inspector has on the monocoque mods you could be like only 2 points or something on that car LOL. Mind you a mate had his Chevy examined by the DVLA recently and they just took his word for a load of stuff because the car had been originally modified years ago and pre-1997 mods are not subject to SVA. What I'd do is look into what is required to get it SVA compliant. Apparently due to the number of old cars being forced through SVA after engine swaps they have a newer lighter weight SVA which has done away with the need for E marked lenses, radiused edges on everything and some of the other stuff. If you canprove the car was built to its current spec preior to 1997 then you are exempt from SVA anyway. Shame nobody changed the log book really as thats usually the best proof. They won't crush the car straight off either way. All the cars I've heard of which have been caught for being modified have been given back to the owners intact for them to have a chance to bring them up to SVA standard and go through a VIC with the DVLA to get a Q plate issued or whatever. (they will cancel your exisitng V5C if they catch you). They7'll crush it if you drive it after the V5C was withdrawn though. I'd do the Firenza. Or sell it me and I'll do it. It needs to be done. I'd find a Rv8 and bosh that in the Rover and I'd blat round in the BMW while I sorted that out. Then sell the Beemer when the Rover is sorted. |
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well my mate gary down at retromotorsports builds race/road cars for a living, full space frames to scartch built suspension, engines moved back, new repositioned bulkheads arches, wider wings, raised ducted floors, bigger, turbocharged or supercharged engines, all sorts, and he says as long as the car is still recognisable as whatever it is and the engine is still at the same end you don't need SVA.
he must know, its his living and I'm guessing his customers would be on his case if they couldnt get their cars on the road.
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i love that firenza
someone needs to build it!
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thats not the experiance of people getting done now though. Localish guy with a V8'd Zodiac had it pulled of the road by the DVLA pending "Investigation and testing" after his MOT tester dobbed him in... Basically if you cnage the front and rear axles and the engine and box you don;t have enough points to retain the original plate and then its SVA time.
Theres strict rules based on points. In some respects you might have an easier life building a new car front scratch than modifying an old one.
Check the DVLA website for the rules and the NSRA site for details on how this affects modified production cars.
Boyd Coddington was happily selling rods to customers in the California which broke their registration laws for years, until he went on TV and basically told everybody, then wondered why he got his with a huge fine and a load of cars got confiscated...
You can put anything on the road - its whether you catch flack for it later thats the question. A mate of a mate was running a model B hot rod on a 1964 Mini Traveller V5 for years until he got busted. You might run that Firenza on the 2300cc log book and never have a problem, you might change the engine numbe and size with the DVLA and them not bat an eye at it and it be fine for ever. You don't know, but they seem to be cracking down on it now, so I dunno where this is takign us...
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Last Edit: Mar 2, 2007 9:13:12 GMT by akku
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seems to be ok round here at the moment, i don't know anyone whos had any bother, most of the old school mk1 escort guys are pretty much running the original shell with everything else modified or changed. maybe a pro street firenza would look more suspicous than a lowered escort with different wheels, even if they both had the same amount of work done to em. plenty of mag features of me mates old esorts doing 170mph runs with big lists of mods and specs around, better how the DVLA don't start buying Classic Ford Mag!! |
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build firenza regardless, run and race, sell if it gets too much. its ace! would love to see rover built up too. as for pro street bimmer that'd be good too but if it works i'd leave be...for now |
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I agree with Alistair if the Firenza is an older build and you can prove it with a pre 97 mot or race programme then you are sva exempt. You are going to run the same risk putting the engine in anything else when you notify dvla of the changes, at least the Firenza has some value as a race car even if it has no v5.
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why do you think you need an sva on the firenza?? put it together, get it mot'd and insured then tax it, simple. IT WONT NEED AN SVA, ITS NOT MODIFIED ENOUGH i think it might..?! its got tubbed rear arches. a ladder bared chevy axle. a solid engine plate/bulkhead. glass front wings and front panel with no innerwings. a frontend barred chassis with shortened capri struts with vauxhall hubs. sierra rack and a full chassis mounted rollcage to pick up on the new chassis. oh and also would have a ford engine and box..... because the chassis/monocoque is altered and the lack of std parts (engine box/axle/suspension and brakes) I'm sure it does need a sva. although i don't think its undoable... si |
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I think you should sell me those wheels off the firenza for a start!Hey, i'm just tryin' to help out........... if i end up breaking it... you can have first dibs on the wheels... 'ows that?! si |
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